Friday the 13th: Jason Goes to POLL

halloween 2 (rob zombie)
halloween
halloween 3: season of the witch
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halloween 4: the revenge of michael myers
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halloween (rob zombie)
halloween 5: the cookie woman
halloween: resurrection
halloween (2018) (sorry)

Trailer for the 3rd in the new Halloween trilogy will have a slowed down/creepy kids’ choir version of the “8 more days till Halloween” silver shamrock song y/n

the editing of halloween (2018) is very bad and i hate the conception of laurie's character and the humor seems flown in from another movie and punctures the mood

Huh guess I need to see the second Zombie one. I didn't hate his first one, but never heard much enthusiasm for the second.

I find him to be a frustrating director, I love about half of his stuff and hate the others. I haven't seen 3 From Hell, 31 or Halloween 2 though.

jon: seek out the director's cut of zombie's halloween 2, which is i think the default streaming version. it's a major exploration of laurie's ptsd

Will do! Was trying to decide what to watch this weekend.

it is filmed in 16mm and looks so gnarly and grim and the moonlight looks like its emanating from the cover of a black metal album

listen, if you fall asleep to a movie, i consider that a good thing. the thing that rocks about halloween 4 is the autumnal vibe is the strongest in that one

also if you like lords of salem, most likely you'll find a lot to like in halloween 2

huh I just saw Lords of Salem and did enjoy it.

the autumnal vibe

Like when Loomis is poking around that desert gas station in (checks notes) Illinois? I love the part where the babysitter is looking for the little girl in the darkened streets (caused by the power outage, which was an awesome kill).

the power outage is the other best part of that film

also if you like lords of salem, most likely you'll find a lot to like in halloween 2

Yes! Definitely a top tier Zombie film, I love it.

i only like that and Devil's Rejects

31 made me mad enough that I left 30 minutes in

and I was on a plane

i looove 31 but acknowledge that no one normal would ever think that

Jason Goes to Hell is hilarious for deciding to introduce new mystical mythology that will never again appear in any other Friday film - ooooh a mystical DAGGER, the heart is Jason, Jason is the heart!

some all-powerful heart couldn't help him SWIM BETTER, lil punk

Robert Campbell : I'm going to say a couple of words to you and I want you to say the first thing that comes into your mind.
Creighton Duke : Okay.
Robert Campbell : Jason Voorhees.
Creighton Duke : That makes me think of a little girl in a pink dress sticking a hot dog through a doughnut.

Halloween briefly went the mystical route as well. Druids, iirc.

I loved Lords of Salem and Devil's Rejects is probably the best whatever that is that it can be. But those Halloween movies were so unpleasant, imo. Well, I think the first one is the one I saw. Maybe? Anyway, there's only so much of Zombie's ugly hillbilly grunge I can take.

i like but don't love the first zombie halloween. i'm not married to the idea of michael as this unknowable embodiment of evil so i think glimpsing his actual home life as filtered through zombie's particular tobe hooper thing is really effective in setting the scene. the second half of the film is just halloween but less scary and gorier and i'm like... it's fine. ugh now i want to watch it again

the ending whips, though, that's for sure

I hated the Druidish Cult of Thorn shit, weakened Michael Myers as a character completely

it's extremely stupid, which is why i find it hilarious and fun

cf. the mystery man wandering through halloween 5, who they hadn't even invented the cult of thorn around yet because the producer just wanted a mystery man in the fucking movie, it's so awesome

my problem of the first half of the first Zombie Halloween is that I didn't buy that Michael's home life would have driven him to that, as depicted. yeah, it was dysfunctional ,but like, there has to be more - Ed Gein was unusually obsessed with his mother, she used to spank his penis, preached to her kids about evil from the Bible every day in histrionic fashion, had few friends because of his mother's domineering attitude. yeah Michael had an nasty, creepy father-in-law in this one, and his mother was a stripper, but she was a much more caring parent than most serial killers had. didn't help that the dialogue was soooooo bad in those scenes.

and yet those were the *best* scenes in the movie, once they got to the 'beginning' of the original Halloween, I aws already exhausted and they had to rush through the beats.

the other annoying part about Resurrection, OOOOOH wow we found all this evidence that the parents were barbarically abusing Michael and lol it's all faked by producer BUSTA RHYMES again.

all of the best ideas for the movie were LOL GOTCHA trolling

i mean slasher movies from the 80s also just seem a bit tamer because they used to threaten X ratings for much more benign shit back then, so a lot of the more OTT stuff got shelved or 'edited' to cut away or were merely implied.

this is true to an extent but I feel like I've seen other 80s slashers with a lot more gore, it almost feels punitive, like the mpaa went extra hard on F13 to make an example out of them or something

Besides Halloween III I've only seen the first Halloween once, and like 20+ years ago, and remember finding it boring. It's on my list to rewatch this month, and this thread makes me feel OK abt skipping the rest of the sequels

as far as franchises go I'm planning to finish out F13 6-8, then Child's Play/Chucky 2-5, then Phantasm 1-4. Are the Hellraiser sequels past 2 worth it?

3 isn't, and I stopped there.

I feel like I've seen other 80s slashers with a lot more gore, it almost feels punitive, like the mpaa went extra hard on F13 to make an example out of them or something

hellraiser 3 has the dj cenobyte with a cd bisecting his head, plus the absolutely inexplicable seedy metal club, plus the best character in the first three movies, terri. it's like, awful, but there's a lot to recommend about it

i saw bloodline and there's a good movie in there somewhere, but they didn't make it

i have not explored further bc even trash connoisseurs have described the later installments as worthless and miserable

one thing i greatly dislike about hellraiser 3 is that pinhead is explicitly rewritten as a villain, and the one of the things i liked most about the first two movies is that the cenobytes are just kinda unwitting servants of the ultra hardcore s&m club that is hell, and that there are living people who are much worse and more sadistic than them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGWz5psncCI

hellraiser 3 has the dj cenobyte with a cd bisecting his head

ok thats incredibly hilarious, never heard about that, might actually be on my watchlist now

like 15 years ago at a fest i remember seeing a short doc about the child actor who played jason in f13 part 1, all grown up somewhere in the midwest, fronting a klezmer band playing synagogues & bar mitzvahs by day, doing a jason-themed metal band by night, and trying to impress people in bars by asking them if they'd ever seen Friday the 13th. very funny in a post-American Movie way.

Oh there's also a Cenobite in III with a camera in his face. It's like Pinhead transformed the staff of an HH Gregg.

The other thing I'm trudging through right now is the documentary Crystal Lake Memories, which chronicles the making of the F13 movies in oral history format. I am at hour two and they are pretty much in the beginning of discussion for Part IV and there are FOUR HOURS LEFT.

It's got (for example) the child actor who played Jason in the first one and tons of other actors and production people. Corey Feldman shows up, but Kevin Bacon doesn't.

crystal lake memories and never sleep again are the best documentaries ever i find them so gripping lol

I am pretty certain I've seen all of Crystal Lake Memories yet I remember literally nothing about it.

xpost Yes, I could blow an entire day watching them back-to-back. If anything, they're TOO short!

And I love that Crystal Lake Memories was thoughtful enough to include my beloved Friday the 13th: The Series (which I just finally finished watching and am about to start all over again).

Oh, that's what's missing from the poll and what I would've voted for. Who cares if it has nothing to do with Jason. It has big-haired bad-acting '80s Canadian goddess ROBEY, for god's sake.

i tried Jason X and I just couldn't. something about horror films and bro comedies from the early 2000s has always rubbed me the wrong way, so once they all got on the spaceship and started fucking each other.

the kill where he froze the girl's face and smashed it was cool though!

*and started fucking each other I just got really annoyed, like I know that's the F13 formula but these were scientists in space acting really dumb and shirking their responsibilities for a little sexy time.

i feel you to a degree, but no movie has funnier dialogue than jason x, cf. "what's a bike?"

"hockey mask"?

"it was a sport before it was outlawed in 2024"

OH BOY NO MORE HOCKEY SOON

all this crazy shit happened and yet gender relations have not progressed at all since the late '90s, i love it

rewatched Part II. liked it better - it has long dull spots but they play with pacing better, and Jason actually being a child-like hillbilly wearing JC Penney's finest Paul Bunyan attire actually works pretty well.

guessing they thought it felt too much like Leatherface and then Incredible Hulk shows up in later films

beginning of 3 starts with news reporter talking about the most heinous crime in local history...you mean besides the other three incidents?