Strange Tales of Hassidic Jews

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yeah... i get the point that some hasids are obnoxious dude, i just don't think it means they ALL are, that they ALL use the same tactics and ALL have the same goals. i mean the lubavitchers are pretty singular

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

and look at the satmars!! they're really not a homogenous group

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been madly imagoogling for that cool jewish rabbi from the film Pi but I cant find any images, he looks amazing and is filmed so well.

he is quite funny. I got the impression his initial numerology pitch is what they teach you on page one of "Kabbalah for Tards".

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

damn. i grew up in a lubavich school (K-12 all the way). it's nuts. it's TOTALLY internal prosletizing. I resent the hell out of it. It has its good sides and bad sides - the isolationsim and prosletizing parts are the worst.

but, not all are so isolationist, the lubavichers especially, although the reason they arent is basically just so they can get more diverse and scattered fallen jews into the fold.

on another note, that day in June must have been Lag B'omer. it's a day for being out in the fields havin fun, traditionally bows and arrows, but i cant remember why quite.

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

incidently, schneerson is worshiped by some almost like Jesus. In fact, when he died some people were saying he'd rise up from the dead to be the messiah, and they were quoting Isaiah 53 etc - basically lots of things christianity does all the time and Jews sort of shove under the rug in their interpretation of messianic prophecy.

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not sure I'm familiar with the Satmars, are they one of those groups that won't recognize the state of Israel...?

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, something like that. they think it's interfering with god's plan.

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

yup. no israel until moshiach.

when israeli politicos visit NYC they protest at their hotels!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

i thought that it was only the lubavichers who "proselytize" among other jews. so other hasidim also do this?!?
Don't Satmars also proseltyize?

I was working in Park Slope a couple months ago and a this Lubavicher, who tried to convince to put on t'fillin ("you don't have to be religious to wear t'fillin!"), gave me the Lubavicher newsletter "for Jews everywhere". There was an article based on an extended metaphor of life as a journey and religion being "what you pack" but the set-up took forever and read like a ridiculously broad parody of stereotypical Jewish neurosis--"when you're packing for a trip, it's hard to know what to bring? Should I bring this suit or that suit? Do I need boot and shoes? Will I be attending formal and informal events? WHAT IF IT RAINS?!" etc

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

A favorite early '90s sight in East Village gay bar's backroom: 40ish Hassidic man making out with young black man.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

O no I didnt mean the tard "hey look the letters make NUMBERS omg!" guy - theres a later scene where they bail up Max Cohen after he has an attack and hes in a synagogue (i guess?) and a rabbi with a HUGE beard is bearing down on Max ranting about god and the Message and so on - whomever that actor was, he was amazing.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not sure I'm familiar with the Satmars, are they one of those groups that won't recognize the state of Israel...?

yup. they're also the hasidics that people are most likely to encounter in williamsburg (b/c that's where they live -- there and upstate in kiryas joel, NY). they are pretty much the mortal enemies of the lubavichers (who live in crown heights). dunno whether the satmars proselytize as much as the lubavichers, or if they don't proselytize at all.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Did anyone see that documentary on the NYC gay Hassidic community that Zorn did the soundtrack for? It sounded pretty fascinating.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

trembling in the presence of g-d? no, but i always wanted to

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

haha - Morby's story is my favorite so far. Cuz its all about the the LOVE (or at least the HOT SEX)

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

from what I understand (ie, i'm about 80% sure this is correct) the lubavichers/chabad movement was the first hasidic movement to actively prosletize. That is, the first ones to say " we need to actively search out lost jews and brin them in" and it's part of their messianic theology. Other hasidic groups either disagreed flat out, or just didnt actively search for people.

because of the influence of chabad/lubavich now i think that other groups have started their own programs.

my rabbi/teacher during high school grew up in a non-lubavich hasidic group. at around 18 he fell in with the lubavichers. his mother cried as if he'd converted to christianity.

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

there's also a growing hasidic community on the other side of the hudson river -- in union city, NJ (which otherwise is a largely hispanic town). i don't know what their "sect" of hasidism is. anyway, they've pretty much set up their own community over there (complete with those religious "borders" that marks off their territory for sabbath purposes -- don't know what they're called).

anyway, i used to work at a firm where one of the attorneys is an orthodox rabbi (in westchester county). i became pretty friendly w/ the rabbi, and he used to have some pretty not-nice things to say about the hasidim. i think that they embarrassed him.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

The amusement park that turns Jews into Christians won it's legal battle for a tax break. Not quite on topic as its only a strange tale that could possibly involve Hassidic Jews.

Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

re: the Satmars' disapproval of the state of Israel - I understand this is not uncommon among conservative sects in Israel as well, since they think that the Israeli state is TOO secular and thus not legitimate. While I have my own issues with the state of Israel and kind of wish it didn't exist at all, obviously I can't get with such theocratic reasoning. The amount of strife ultra-orthodox activists foment in Israel is unforgiveable (see the thread about the Gaza settlers, the assassination of Netanyahu, ad nauseam)

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

assassination of Netanyahu

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gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Did anyone see that documentary on the NYC gay Hassidic community that Zorn did the soundtrack for?

"Trembling Before G-d", yes, I saw it (I forgot that Zorn did the soundtrack!). I didn't walk away from it enlightened or anything, as it plays out as you'd expect (i.e. "my family doesn't understand me, I can't change my faith or my sexual orientation, G-d understands") but it's quite poignant nonethless.

(hmmm, my comment doesn't read like an endorsement, but it is)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

(sorry, Rabin not Netanyahu)

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

if there are actively-recruiting chabad/lubavitchers in our neighborhood they are making very discreet top-secret work of it

jones (actual), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

My parents live in a largely Jewish area of London. but still very little Hassids.

I remember reading somewhere that there are more Lubavitchers than Hassidim in London, mainly around stamford hill.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

they are the worst drivers.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

that's just cuz whenever you almost get mowed down by one and you look up like "alright who is THIS asshole??", your mind registers JEW IN A HAT PRETENDING HE DOESN'T SEE ME instead of just filing it away with all the forgettable old people who almost kill you every day

jones (actual), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

no, it's because they all got them big coca-cola-bottle lenses on their glasses, bad eyesight the result of a closed community breeding within itself.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread title makes me think of EC Comics.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I started reading the Hassidic tales collected by Buber last year. I wonder what place the divine spark and devoted ecstacy and such have in everyday Hassidic life.

Orange (Orange), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

well, jews have the divine spark, and gentiles do not. easy enough.

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

but it's like any mystical thing. it's as much a part of your everyday life as you make it, and probably very difficult to maintain for *too* long if you arent completely sequestered in a monestery/yeshiva.

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

that's the whole point of yeshiva.

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I know - I suppose I mostly meant to imply that I don't recognize it in what appears to be an extremely rigorous and sometimes hostile way of life.

Orange (Orange), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

well, you can defend any sort of hostile action with religious fundamentalism.

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

well, jews have the divine spark, and gentiles do not. easy enough.


But it is only transmitted maternally, so it must be mitochondrial!

Jon, remind me again why you haven't drowned in your own vomit (ex machina), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

midochlorians!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

must be!

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Photoshop time!

Jon, remind me again why you haven't drowned in your own vomit (ex machina), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

OH MY GOD DO NOT EVEN START ME

I haven't even read this thread fully yet but GAH

Half of my customers at my store are hasidic or orthodox mostly from Kiryas Joel and/or WIlliamsburg (The rest from Monsey, Lakewood, NJ, and Borough Park)

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:20 (eighteen years ago) link

tky rsmry: what is your job?

Jon, remind me again why you haven't drowned in your own vomit (ex machina), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

That said, I am dying to go to dinner at Satmar house, just to see who has our china.

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:23 (eighteen years ago) link

The local newspaper always has some article about 'issues' going in KJ.

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link

One of my coworkers is fluent in German, so she can understand when the ladies are talking in Yiddish to their daughters or on their cellphones.

I have gotten to the point where I can make out a little bit of Yiddish too.

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:26 (eighteen years ago) link

local politics = fun with 'bloc voting"!!

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:34 (eighteen years ago) link

One of my customers has a son and daughter-in-law in Montreal! I bet they're slocki's neighbors!

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, when all day your hasidic customers tell you 'gee it's so hot in the store with your broken A/C, I feel sorry for you guys!' you know it's bad.

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Here is one of my favourite strange Hassidic tales:

On this, Rabbi Nachman of Bratzlav spun his parable:

Once upon a time, the king said to his beloved chief minister:

- When I look at the stars, I see astrologically that everyone who eats of this year's crop will go mad. So advise me, my friend, what should we eat this year?

The chief minister replied:

- My advice is, Your Majesty, that you give an order that enough of last year's crop be readied for us and so we shall not eat at all from this year's.

The king asked again:

- What is the advantage of your decree? What profit will there be for us if we are the only ones who are sane and everyone else is mad? They will all say that we are the ones who are insane not them. And if you are thinking to prepare enough from last year's crop for the others, our barns do not hold sufficient stocks for that.

- And so, what would your advice be, Your Majesty? - asked the chief minister.

The king replied:

- My advice is that we have no choice but to eat from the year's new crop and to become insane together with the whole world. But I would like the two of us to be different from other people and at least to know that we are mad, while the others will not know.

The chief minister asked:

- May Your Majesty teach me how we are to do that?

The king:

- For that, too, I have an answer. Let us engrave on our foreheads a mark and sign of insanity. Whenever I look at you and you look at me, we will know that we are mad.

moley (moley), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's an actual amusing tale: the coolest Orthodox woman I know (and really, she's not all that Orthodox, since she wears jeans and no wig and is a percussion for the Symphony, but she used to be married to a Hassidic rabbi until he committed suicide [!]) was saying how the synagogues divide the men and women into different sections for prayer (of course). However, the women have a little booth of some sort that they can go into that somehow functions like a two-way mirror interrogation room, i.e. the men can't see them but they spy on the men picking their noses and falling asleep and whatnot!

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 14 July 2005 02:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Local politics, bloc voting...

New Square, NY is a hasidic village north of NYC. Out of the 1412 votes cast in the 2000 Senate elections, 1400 went to Hillary Clinton.

http://www.detnews.com/2001/politics/0105/04/a05-220310.htm

you better believe it (you better believe it), Thursday, 14 July 2005 07:41 (eighteen years ago) link

This picture illustrates what a generic synagogue layout looks like:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/judaism/worship/images/synplan.gif

The rabbi stands at the bimah, and the Torah is located inside of the ark. In my experience, where in the illustration it says women's seats are usually seated men as well. The woman form a second ring around the men, usually behind a lattice screen, or they can also be on the next floor level, seated above the men and looking down. I've never seen an actual mirror though.

bam! (you better believe it), Thursday, 14 July 2005 07:52 (eighteen years ago) link


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