For sure. Everyday.
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 17 October 2021 01:39 (two years ago) link
there is always going to be scarcity in streaming as far as a lot music is concerned - modern classical (cage, feldman, rzewski, pisaro, so many others), experimental, erstwhile electroacoustic music, japanese deconstructed blues etc
― Dan S, Sunday, 17 October 2021 01:46 (two years ago) link
easily the NFL
but it depends on how exactly it would end, and i cannot predict where its fans/bettors would redirect their energy
― mookieproof, Sunday, October 17, 2021 2:24 AM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah, like, for the amount of violent energy it generates it seems at least a little contained?
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Sunday, 17 October 2021 01:52 (two years ago) link
re: music, not having to work to discover it anymore and having everything at my fingertips has made it all seem slightly less interesting somehow
― Dan S, Sunday, 17 October 2021 01:56 (two years ago) link
the music that i’m into that has retained some aspect of scarcity is house/techno. where like, i’m constantly listening to mixes and trying to find a track but there’s no track list, or it’s a white-label or vinyl-only release, or more often it’s unreleased or just secret. i can see it being fun for some types of ppl, the challenge to ID a track. but it kinda annoys and discourages me, and i resign myself to ‘oh well i should just appreciate the ephemeral connection between me and this song and not covet it’. also it takes a lot longer for that stuff to end up on streaming (and plenty of it never shows up) so i still occasionally buy or slsk stuff
― flopson, Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:14 (two years ago) link
secrets are cool i just hate when they cost money
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:16 (two years ago) link
I sat in the front row with my 11-year old niece at a Broadway performance of Mamma Mia. One of the performers coasted on his knees up to the front of the stage and sang directly to her at one point, so I can't hate Broadway Musical Theater
― Dan S, Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:25 (two years ago) link
ppl hate broadway only bc they are secondhand or firsthand embarrassed about it. i feel this way but i do not think it should die bc of it
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:26 (two years ago) link
i think all true crime media should stop on principle bc it feeds a really strange cultural desire, and like many ppl i hate my favorite murder, but also… i’m not like aggro about how it’s evil and should end
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:30 (two years ago) link
i don’t even like horror movies that are based on true stories
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:33 (two years ago) link
NFL option seems kind of random Also isn’t theatre a UK thing originally
― calstars, Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:39 (two years ago) link
When I complain about the death of the monoculture and narratives, I'm not, like yearning for "Achy Breaky Heart" and like three major labels in bed with the radio stations so they make sure every Mariah Carey song is number one. I'm yearning for the days when popular music was — for better of worse — unavoidable and therefore somewhat of a trans-demographic shared experience. In 1984, everyone heard Kenny Loggins and Rockwell and Nena and Lionel Ritchie and Cory Hart and Julio Iglesias.
In 2021, I would be willing to bet hard money that there are grown adults on this website full of absolute music freaks have never **heard** billion selling monster successes like BTS and Bad Bunny and Lil Durk and Wizkid. Instead of one "music scene," its now 5000 competing stan armies and a whole insular, micro-targeted bubbles that never touch.
As far a narratives go, again, its like 5 artists who are followed like the royal family and then everything else seems to be either projection or guessing or clout-chasing or playing catch-up. Twitter is a tiny slice of the universe that offers little more than absolutely blinkered insanity (YEPPERS YEPPERS CARLY RAE JEPPERS) and total myopia to how everything functions outside of it (cf. XXXTentacion) and is also basically 5000 competing stan armies and insular bubbles that never touch.
Obviously there's clearly a lot WRONG and BAD with getting Smash Mouth or whoever shoved up your ass three times a day, but as someone who likes to think about music, its just a loser's game trying to keep up with everything. It becomes homework and it's not fun. The narratives we get are basically about who is woke and who is cancelled, and that, again, only affects Twitter users and has little to no effect on the other 90% of the population.
It was just ... more fun ... when you could follow this shit like sports and talk to your grandma about Boy George. Whether that is good or bad for art and commerce is for everyone to decide on their own, but that aspect of culture is dead, never to return, and I miss it!
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:41 (two years ago) link
SNL
― adam t. (abanana), Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:48 (two years ago) link
YEPPERS YEPPERS CARLY RAE JEPPERS is an instant classic
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:49 (two years ago) link
thank you for expanding whiney as i agree with most of that
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:52 (two years ago) link
the other side of that is that none out of BTS, Bad Bunny, Lil Durk and Wizkid would likely have the same level of monster success without that shift
― ufo, Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:54 (two years ago) link
its just a loser's game trying to keep up with everything. It becomes homework and it's not fun.
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:56 (two years ago) link
In 2021, I would be willing to bet hard money that there are grown adults on this website full of absolute music freaks have never **heard** billion selling monster successes like BTS and Bad Bunny and Lil Durk and Wizkid.
I used to spend a significant amount of my time and money in pursuit of new music, did college radio for years, Napstered and Limewired the shit out of stuff, took road trips just to hit record stores, etc.
Now I'm 47 and have heard BTS because my 6 year old loved them for a bit, have heard of Bad Bunny but don't know if it's a band or a person and no idea what type of music it would be, and have never heard of the last two.
― joygoat, Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:57 (two years ago) link
I like this and I like that, when it’s cold I wear a hat
― brimstead, Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:58 (two years ago) link
--Carly Rae Jeppers
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 17 October 2021 03:00 (two years ago) link
Never heard of those four (thank god) and I only recognize bts
― calstars, Sunday, 17 October 2021 03:01 (two years ago) link
i can definitely understand missing the mass culture aspect, certainly something i was never around for
"there's too much to keep up with" is true but i don't really feel like it's a problem
music obsessives not keeping up with what's new & popular as they get older surely isn't anything though certainly it's even easier to be in your own out-of-touch bubble now than before
― ufo, Sunday, 17 October 2021 03:05 (two years ago) link
xps to whiney: the funny thing is that you listen to more music than i do and likely know more about music than i do so it's strange to me that you find a roving ear a "losers game". I am pretty sure that's just self loathing.
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 17 October 2021 03:13 (two years ago) link
forks you are a born content absorber
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 17 October 2021 03:14 (two years ago) link
Ha, yeah, how is this possible?
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 17 October 2021 03:14 (two years ago) link
i “keep up” but devote more and more time to my own personal deep listening projects and never write about new music anymore wonder why
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 17 October 2021 03:15 (two years ago) link
xp multiple ply
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 17 October 2021 03:16 (two years ago) link
For me, MCU is a far bigger blight than any of these others, and I like a lot of the movies! It's just that it crowds out everything else to such a degree that most cinema is rapidly dying off.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 17 October 2021 03:17 (two years ago) link
Though Whiney did listen through the whole John Zorn catalog, so that's no small potatoes.
BTS only makes me think of the BTK serial killer. Get a new name guys!
― Typo? Negative! (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 17 October 2021 04:47 (two years ago) link
I don't think the fracturing of the monoculture can be attributed to streaming, though; it started in the Soundscan era, when we first learned what records people were actually buying. Pantera fans generally didn't give a shit about Garth Brooks, and vice versa, but both hit #1.
Personally, I hate generalist music criticism — glib fuckers pretending they know something about everything. I'm glad to see that kind of thing dying out. It's much better to have a galaxy of specialists out there. If I want to really learn something about electronic music, there are three or four writers I know I can read. If I want to really learn something about metal, same deal. If I want to learn something about country...well, that will never happen, but you get the idea.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 17 October 2021 12:08 (two years ago) link
Voted NFL. It is not the one that creates the most harm (that would be social media.) Like social media, the harms it imposes (not just to NFL players but to many, many more younger people who aspire to the NFL or just love playing football in a way that NFL as popular entertainment institution inspires and encourages) are combined with goods (people like and enjoy and draw authentic meaning from following football teams over the years and decades.) But I think the good that the NFL offers is more easily substituted for than the good that social media offers. Obviously there is room for disagreement here but I think NBA, MLB, etc. can largely fill in the psychic gap that would be left if football were no more. I'm a baseball guy and yes it would be keenly sad for me if baseball went away but I truly believe that my other sports fandoms would expand to fill the empty space in a modest amount of time.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 17 October 2021 21:37 (two years ago) link
― Typo? Negative! (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, October 17, 2021 12:47 AM (seventeen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
otm glad someone finally said it
― ciderpress, Sunday, 17 October 2021 22:15 (two years ago) link
As a lifelong Miami Dolphins fan I’m leaning towards NFL
― Josefa, Sunday, 17 October 2021 23:05 (two years ago) link
MCU probably annoys me the most out of these but the idea of social media going away actually feels EXCITING in an almost sci-fi way, like, it's honestly difficult to imagine what life would be like even tho I lived through several decades of it. And without it I mostly wouldn't have to listen to what MCU fans have to say so all I'd have to do would be not go to the fucking movies and I'd be golden.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 18 October 2021 10:06 (two years ago) link
The success of the MCU is such a poisoned well. I wish I could just enjoy some fun superhero trash without every dummy in the world feeling the need to have An Opinion about it (apologies to dummies itt).Social media obviously the worst thing to happen to humanity in some time, not really even a contest. Maybe less so if it had been introduced at some point in the far future where the surviving humans' brains had evolved sufficiently to handle it without it turning them into frothing hate mongers who would gleefully immolate their entire family just to own someone who disagrees with them.Write-in for SNL. Pass away peacefully in your sleep, please, it is time now.
― Gimme some skin! Because I don't have any skin. (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 October 2021 12:57 (two years ago) link
I'm a fully convicted professional sports abolitionist, but even I was briefly tempted by the Marvel option.
― Nature's promise vs. Simple truth (bernard snowy), Monday, 18 October 2021 13:17 (two years ago) link
i'm not sure SNL is really a phenomenally popular american entertainment institution, even in comparison to broadway
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 October 2021 13:20 (two years ago) link
How is it still alive then, how
― Gimme some skin! Because I don't have any skin. (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 October 2021 13:23 (two years ago) link
time slot no one cares about
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 18 October 2021 13:28 (two years ago) link
snl is extremely popular (5+ million linear viewers per week on a weekend night plus 1.5+ billion youtube views on sketches from last season) and i’ll add a write-in to that pile.
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Monday, 18 October 2021 13:56 (two years ago) link
i'm not saying it's not popular, i'm saying in comparison to Marvel or NFL and Netflix and Facebook it's not at the same weightyou could argue that SNL is as/more popular as the true crime podcast genre but that's another poll
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 October 2021 14:22 (two years ago) link
SNL is a true crime
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 18 October 2021 14:27 (two years ago) link
The success of the MCU is such a poisoned well. I wish I could just enjoy some fun superhero trash without every dummy in the world feeling the need to have An Opinion about it (apologies to dummies itt).
This is my take as well, the movies are mostly fine and I like watching them. Let's all just stop talking about them so much. Ideally we reduce the discussion to me and my son discussing them for 10 minutes every time we watch a new movie or episode.
― silverfish, Monday, 18 October 2021 14:42 (two years ago) link
dont really care about the mcu but i would vote for disney as a whole
― ciderpress, Monday, 18 October 2021 14:44 (two years ago) link
i'm not saying it's not popular, i'm saying in comparison to Marvel or NFL and Netflix and Facebook it's not at the same weight
I think that opinion is complete and total nonsense given the absolute glut of SNL alumni across popular media since its inception, including:
Jimmy FallonWill FerrellAdam SandlerRobert Downey, JrAidy BryantJulia Louis-DreyfusTina FeyAmy PoehlerAndy SambergJason SudeikisSeth MeyersKristin WiigKate McKinnonKenan ThompsonPete DavidsonSarah SilvermanBen StillerFred ArmisenTim RobinsonNasim PedradJenny SlateCecily StrongMolly ShannonWill ForteChris RockChris ParnellBill MurrayJane CurtinMike MyersVanessa BayerJaneane GarofaloAna GasteyerLeslie JonesEddie MurphyJohn BelushiDan AckroydAl FrankenGilbert GottfriedChris ElliottJoan CusackChevy ChaseJim BelushiGilda RadnerRandy QuaidDennis MillerJay MohrKevin NealonRob SchneiderChris FarleyDavid SpadeRob RiggleChristine Ebersole
And that's not including ringers like Christopher Guest, Mark McKinney, Billy Crystal, or Martin Short
― talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Monday, 18 October 2021 14:45 (two years ago) link
In order to stop talking about MCU, we would need to shut down all social media plus Disney's marketing department. So yeah, sounds good, let's do it.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 18 October 2021 14:46 (two years ago) link
I mean I get why everyone has an opinion about the MCU and I get the criticism (particularly in terms of its negative impact upon the medium), I just wish that when they finally got around to making a superhero franchise I actually like that it had only wound up being just successful enough to perpetuate itself without becoming so ubiquitous as to prompt a hot take from every disinterested party under the sun.
― Gimme some skin! Because I don't have any skin. (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 October 2021 14:50 (two years ago) link
here's the thing about social media going away - I wish only 'parts' would go away.
The parts I wish would stay:
-being able to keep in touch with people who live out of state/say hello-being able to keep tabs on family-being able to post statuses on what you're doing that nobody can respond to
the parts I wish would go away:
-Messenger, so I don't have people msging me all day and acting funny if they don't get an immediate reply (which never happened w/ texting for me)
-Political GIF memes
-all of the toxicity
-the ability for two friends who don't know each other to tell each other joining a political thread, then saying they hope the other dies in a car accident
so in conclusion I changed my mind, get rid of social media
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:07 (two years ago) link
I thought the first Avengers movie was one of the most overhyped movies ever made, it was like 2 1/2 hours of a strobe light going off in your face. admittedly the other ones I've seen have been pretty good
that said both MCU and the modern radio scene kinda suffer from the same bullshit where making a hit involves pooling together as many famous people as possible. when you put on pop radio everything is like Adam Levine ft. Cardi B ft. BTS & Nicki Minaj or whatever. every Katy Perry video now has like cameos from Rebecca Black or some other niche celebrity. which leads to stuff like Ready Player One & Free Guy getting greenlit and making tons of money and now that's all pop culture is
― frogbs, Monday, 18 October 2021 15:11 (two years ago) link