A couple of other good posts on a related topic:
The Media Needs To Stop Asking Bosses About Labor
Workplace Journalism Is Broken
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 15:54 (two years ago) link
xpost to caek's link, yep #1, #2 and #5 here
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 16:00 (two years ago) link
#4 is wild!
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 16:08 (two years ago) link
yeah I was thankful that one wasn't one I'd ever had to deal with
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 16:10 (two years ago) link
so thankful to have a permanent virtual job. my co-workers aren't all the smartest re: vaccines 'n stuff
― the utility infielder of theatre (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 16:18 (two years ago) link
in the US, the decline of cases nationally has seemingly stopped and started to tick up, which seems to correspond with rising cases in the midwest and northeast, whereas the South continues to decline since they were hit first.am guessing we'll see the reduction resume again once these hot pockets peak and plateau.
am guessing we'll see the reduction resume again once these hot pockets peak and plateau.
I'm going with Bob Wachter here:
My new mantra is that we're reaching a steady state, with forces for improvement (more vaxxed folks, inc. kids & boosters, ?meds) offset by forces for worsening (lots of unvaxxed, winter, people/regions less careful, waning immunity). Plateau in US case curve supports this idea. pic.twitter.com/p2QWGLKSf0— Bob Wachter (@Bob_Wachter) November 2, 2021
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 16:35 (two years ago) link
It's really not clear that COVID is going to "end" any more than it already has.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 16:39 (two years ago) link
very good article there caek, thanks
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 16:42 (two years ago) link
I'm inclined to agree with Wachter's take. However, if correct, Illinois (and a few other states) has some thinking to do about what, if anything, will trigger the removal of the indoor mask mandate.
To be perfectly clear, I'm not against the mandate or masks in general, just pointing out that a state hanging its hat on case numbers to decline even further before lifting mandates might need to reconsider different metrics at some point.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 16:56 (two years ago) link
there definitely need to be roadmaps for 'no mask' or 'reinstitute mask', problem is the willfully ignorant and people who are playing dumb will always pretend they thought that de-masking was forever and don't ever want to re-mask.
but....only so much you can do. i haven't stopped wearing mine.
― the utility infielder of theatre (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 16:58 (two years ago) link
Agreed, it's a hard road and I don't envy people trying to make these decisions in the least. It just isn't hard to sense a growing frustration over the lack of clarity, I think (setting aside the willfully ignorant for the moment) people are hoping for some glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.
I haven't stopped wearing mine either and no immediate plans to do so, but I have to admit that I'd like to be able to imagine a future where I don't have to wear one for 8-10 hours a day straight at work.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:06 (two years ago) link
going to say it:
i don't think mask mandates make a ton of sense in public health terms or are very sustainable politically once kids are eligible for vaccination AND basically everything is open at capacity.
neither of those things are true yet, but they're coming.
you can argue that everything should not be open at capacity, but once you take that step, masking is kind of beside the point in public health terms.
(might ask a mod to delete this post, depending on how the winter goes.)
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:08 (two years ago) link
Whether or not there's a mandate, I expect to continue masking in public for the foreseeable future, because idiots.
― knuckleheaded mornonic bafoon (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:11 (two years ago) link
xxxxpost yep thanks caek and unperson, those anne-helen peterson and ed zitron posts really resonated with me. also zitron's post about meta is very funny
i'm interviewing for a job in the canary wharf tomorrow - my first job after two years of stay-at-home pandemic parenting
if i get the job, they want me to come to the office 1/2 days a week, which - to me, a person who's lived at home for two years - seems idiotic. i'm not sure what to do if i get the job but don't agree with the office hours. really have no desire to commute to canary wharf with a train of maskless city wankers even once a wek
also, i'm supposed to manage two people - i couldn't, right now, do that in good conscience if i had to enforce them to be in the office for two days a week.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:12 (two years ago) link
but you can sit next to the driver on the DLR, which is cool
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:13 (two years ago) link
what driver?
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:30 (two years ago) link
the attendant wizard guy who wanders around the train. don't they usually sit in a seat at the front with some buttons when it's busy?
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:51 (two years ago) link
xp: DLR!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2dWsKeTvmgw/Uko7RGMgPmI/AAAAAAAAAaM/U79lWhL8xYw/s1600/Screenshot+2013-09-30+at+8.29.15+PM.png
― peace, man, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:58 (two years ago) link
PSA that the set of underlying medical conditions that make you eligible for/advised to get a 6+ month booster in the US was expanded since i last looked. it now includes anyone with a bmi over 25 (which is over 70% of the population of the US), and mood disorders (the other 30% am i right!!!!).
local guidance may vary but in general local health departments are deferring to this page afaict: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 21:34 (two years ago) link
From what I've heard, pharmacies really don't seem to GAF anymore, just say you work in a "risky environment" and it's good enough for them.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 21:48 (two years ago) link
oh yeah you can totally lie and no one cares. but if you're waiting because you think you're not eligible then you might be is my point.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 21:56 (two years ago) link
not really sure what the point of restricting them is tbh. i guess they're still not willing to concede the point that boosters are necessary for everyone, so they set criteria, and those criteria, strictly speaking, include a mere 85% of US adults, not 100%.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 21:57 (two years ago) link
Yeah, I thought that was kinda pointless. I mean, if pushed, I'll just explain that I'm full time around students (which isn't a lie!). Focused on getting my son his first jab first tbh though.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 22:00 (two years ago) link
i got a booster about ten days ago and the pharmacist didn't ask me a single question about my eligibility
― Clay, Thursday, 4 November 2021 01:19 (two years ago) link
went in for a doctors appointment and was kinda surprised that she took me getting a booster as a given, said sheβd do it mid-DecemberIβm 35, just barely underweight, no comorbidities that apply (that I can tell), no job much less a high risk one, but it wasnβt even a discussion. feel weird about it, given that half the world hasnβt gotten a first shot and Iβm at such (relatively) low risk, but I donβt suppose thereβs any way I can send my dose overseas, and I do trust her, so guess Iβm getting another Dolly jab in six weeks π€·π»ββοΈ
― nicole, Thursday, 4 November 2021 05:28 (two years ago) link
The claim that there were 14x times patients in hospital with covid a year ago in the UK is incorrect. There we 14,546 hospitalised covid patients a year ago (8 Nov 2020), and around 9000 today (i.e. ~0.6x).https://t.co/qlzP7Hcxwn https://t.co/8F79GOHza8 pic.twitter.com/f6qOxtIbgD— Prof Francois Balloux (@BallouxFrancois) November 8, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 8 November 2021 12:30 (two years ago) link
Clarifies in the article that she was apparently referring to August 2021 (22,877) vs August 2020 (1,629)
― groovypanda, Monday, 8 November 2021 12:33 (two years ago) link
August isn't relevant to winter. Not great reporting.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 8 November 2021 13:41 (two years ago) link
β π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:13 (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink
I regret to correct you that this hasn't in fact been possible since the start of the pandemic, the front and back of every train is fenced off
― imago, Monday, 8 November 2021 13:48 (two years ago) link
All the trains sport giant poppies though at least
― imago, Monday, 8 November 2021 13:49 (two years ago) link
Plus wasn't August 2020 just after about 3 months of lockdown so you'd expect cases to be fairly low then xps
― groovypanda, Monday, 8 November 2021 14:04 (two years ago) link
Also no vaccine and iirc ppl were a bit more cautious (depending on age). Not much open sport or clubs.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 8 November 2021 14:07 (two years ago) link
the original tweet has now been deleted
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Monday, 8 November 2021 15:03 (two years ago) link
Younger kid now vaxxed. I think we are about to see an even bigger social disjunction than we did with adults. It seems like in my social group every single person is climbing over themselves to get their 5-11s vaccinated. But what proportion of kids in that age group are actually going to get vaccinated in the next few months? Maybe a third?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 14:27 (two years ago) link
I'm volunteering at a vax clinic for 5-11 today, I'll report back any observations.
Got my own booster yesterday, a mix-n-match Pfizer shot to bolster my two previous Modernas. More or less the same side effects as before but somewhat more mild. Just some aches and pains and tossing and turning at night, but more or less back to normal this morning.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 14:42 (two years ago) link
I mentioned above that our school system was distributing vaccinations. However, both times I tried to sign my youngest up, all appointments had been filled by the time I got to the registration website. I eventually found a Target pharmacy that had an opening about 2 weeks from now.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 14:42 (two years ago) link
Each of our 8 elementary schools gets its own pop up clinic. I heard that the entirety of Chicago public schools got a mere *4* clinic locations.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 14:44 (two years ago) link
My son's first appointment is set for next Monday. Was hoping to go through the district's thing (early rumors were that it was going to be at each school, but in the end only 1 for the whole district) here, but ours also filled up very quickly (which is an encouraging sign, overall).
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 14:44 (two years ago) link
It's astounding how many of the kids in my regular social group have been vaccinated already or are scheduled to get one this week. But it probably will be every single kid in our particular demographics getting shots within two weeks and then nobody else.
Mine got his on Sunday after someone discovered a ton of openings at the local Wal-Mart pharmacy, so a bunch of people have gone there now possibly for the first time. The venn diagram of 'regular walmart shoppers' and 'want kids vaxxed ASAP' does not seem overlap at all here.
― joygoat, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 14:47 (two years ago) link
Oh yeah, if I had to bet, 25% of the kids in my town got their first shot already, and I would not be shocked if you told me it was higher. My kids both got it already. They were ecstatic about it, presumably because they see it as the path back to normal life.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link
i am disappointed to learn that you all hate our freedoms so much
― just staying (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 18:07 (two years ago) link
daily US vax numbers have gone up significantly, probably due to arrival of kid shots plus boosters, but I do like that Bloomberg is at least trying to keep track of booster numbers now, even though they're probably unlikely to be accurate as some people have done it off the books or got theirs by telling a tale to the pharmacist months ago. right now estimates 7.5% of population has gotten boosters, which is higher than I expected.
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 18:26 (two years ago) link
It's another big difference between my social world and the US -- the proportion of people I know who've gotten boosters (mostly middle-aged people) feels like more than half.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 18:28 (two years ago) link
But what proportion of kids in that age group are actually going to get vaccinated in the next few months? Maybe a third?β Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, November 9, 2021 9:27 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
β Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, November 9, 2021 9:27 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
it's going to be a requirement to attend schools in person in many states, so 1/3 seems low.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 18:31 (two years ago) link
Why is it going to be a requirement to attend schools when it's not a requirement for kids over 12 now?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 18:32 (two years ago) link
1) California has announced that it will be2) many vaccines are already required to attend schools3) it is likely that this one will be required once it is approved for all school-age children, because of the ongoing global pandemic
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 18:38 (two years ago) link
xxxpost i assume we'll have a good portion of fully-vaxxed people whose opinion is "why do I have to do this AGAIN? that doesn't make sense" reaction, which I can't entirely blame them for because we had scientists and doctors arguing with each other on whether we should do them or not.
and I think that's what moved the needle more than the ethical debate (which was a valid one, but is the debate that really never resolved nicely amongst the experts). I think there was also debate of whether the waning immunity was due to legit waning or whether it was due to Delta and its evasive properties.
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 18:39 (two years ago) link
Why is it going to be a requirement to attend schools when it's not a requirement for kids over 12 now?β Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, November 9, 2021 1:32 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
β Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, November 9, 2021 1:32 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
it will be. https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/10/01/california-becomes-first-state-in-nation-to-announce-covid-19-vaccine-requirements-for-schools/
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 18:40 (two years ago) link
i posted that link last time you were saying no kids were going to get vaccinated.
CA is requiring vaccination for all kids who are eligible from the start of the following school year they become eligible. for all kids over five that will be next summer.
local school districts are free to implement more aggressive timelines, which many are. e.g. LAUSD is requiring all 12+ to be vaccinated by jan 10.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 18:42 (two years ago) link