EZRA KLEIN v MATT YGLESIAS

i mean it is deprivation but its deprivation with cyberpunk qualities, like the current crypto currency bubble, obviously very dystopian, the housing bubble of 2008? not that dystopian, its like you guys have never seen a movie

ive millions of computers surveilling me no access to health care and a sitting president who btw is an absolute technicolor freak attempted a coup this shit is fucking dystopian dude

yglesias, van horn, and enes "freedom" kanter: no no no no no no no

― lag∞n, Friday, December 10, 2021 1:56 PM (fifty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

The whole world cries your predicament.

xposts it is tremendously dickish. not to mention that the offending tweet was already stated in relative terms and as an adjective (i.e., "how dystopian" like "to what degree is it LIKE a dystopia") and once you've acknowledged your understanding that it was hyperbole it seems unnecessary to continue to argue why it doesn't meet this or that definition but that was hundreds of posts ago.

The whole world cries your predicament.

― Van Horn Street, Friday, December 10, 2021 2:54 PM (thirty-five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol youre crying from everyone telling you your posts suck

good post, jaymc

to lagoon's point:

pic.twitter.com/P8sWID1Htu

— Edward Ongweso Jr (@bigblackjacobin) December 10, 2021

I am not responding to the idea that there isn’t any problems in the US, I’ve stated over and over that I recognise these problems, simply that I agree with Ygglesias that these gross exagerations lead to nothing good and I’m adding it sounds like first world problem crying. It’s a tendancy on both the populist left and right to describe the US as a quasi-failed state where absolutely nothing works and everything is a catastrophe, considering what some states elsewhere go through it sounds ignorant, but go ahead name me yet another problem the US is facing as if I was saying it didn’t exist and as if 75% of nations weren’t facing something similar but way on worse terms.

https://i.imgur.com/SbRrBLp.gif

, considering what some states elsewhere go through it sounds ignorant

https://bfy.tw/P66l

imo the question 'is the US a dystopia' is unhelpful

the question should be 'what is bad, and what can be done'

read about other countries or travel. There's a world out there.

― Van Horn Street, Friday, December 10, 2021 11:19 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://i.imgur.com/RjXRH5I.png

Yes and the ppl fixated with the former question are dickheads quibbling with how ppl phrase the latter xp

these gross exagerations lead to nothing good

This seems pretty debatable to me? Or rather, there's no way to test this claim, so it's basically just a hunch to justify some tone policing. As a counterpoint, anti-abortion activists spent years screaming 'baby holocaust' and it seems to be working out for them

i will concede that other countries also experience dystopia

Holy shit why is this so terrifying lmao pic.twitter.com/4JY2mkOkqc

— ɐ͎ʞ͎ć͎ı͎ɹ͎ɐ͎ɯ͎ (@LeaMaric) December 5, 2021

imo the question 'is the US a dystopia' is unhelpful

the question should be 'what is bad, and what can be done'

― imago, Friday, December 10, 2021 3:15 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

100%

You seemed very invested in this unhelpful question earlier but glad you will stfu now

i agree its useless to ask if the usa is a dystopia, because thats a settled issue, it is a dystopia

You seemed very invested in this unhelpful question earlier but glad you will stfu now

― coombination gazza hut & scampo bell (wins), Friday, December 10, 2021 3:31 PM (thirty-eight seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

Nah, I'll insist each and every time it is said or considered that the US is a 'terrible place to live'.

and i'll fp each and every time

WHICH NO ONE HAS SAID YOU ASS

That tweet said it, I responded to the tweet.

ive said it before and ill say it again, if youre going to be condescending you gotta be smart, being condescending is such an affront that you really have to bring your A game, if youre condescending and dumb youre gonna hear about it, its just too much for people to bear

the tweet didn't say the us is a terrible place to live it said People really underestimate how dystopian the United States is

i think "People" might mean the People who say "waahhhh but the average income is this high look at this graph"

isn't "condescending and dumb" the name of matty's substack blog

lol should be, tho in his defense he has made quite a career out of it, good work if you dont mind people calling you a soulless moron every day, and also being a soulless moron every day

no, you don't understand, that's the name of his dog

pretty incredible that yglesias began his career by supporting the iraq war and here we are 20 years later with him denying its effects, the story of national decline as told through one blogger

Doing it on ilx for free is some sicko shit tho, what are you getting off holding a blue tick by your head and scattering pictures of a pig taking a shit around yourself

the tweet didn't say the us is a terrible place to live it said People really underestimate how dystopian the United States is

― towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, December 10, 2021 3:38 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I doubt her conclusion is that the US is barely a dystopia.

Her conclusion is that US is more dystopian than people estimate which is unfalsifiable

Unfalsifiable but also insulting to people elsewhere, as you can see in many tweets.

The US is a terrible place to live for a significant percentage of its population.

"other places are also bad" or "other places are also dystopian" are, shockingly, even less useful than "the US is a dystopia"

Your "making guillotine jokes about billionaires is insulting to the people of Algeria" schtick was better, IMO.

oh gosh i didnt know this was a repeat performance i wouldve just ignored it, this thread is my only interface with the ilx politics massive

people underestimate how good i am at finding more than one thing to be bad

Oh yeah that moment where you guys were cool with the death penalty and using the civil war imagery of other nations without reflecting on it. Another great moment in left ilxor Americana.

i know about more than 10 bad things

Seems insulting to the 11th

VHS right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IFcm4yu7QU

you guys were cool with the death penalty

When it's royalty it's cool as hell. Kept hoping the Crown would end in an alternate timeline where Liz got the chop chop like Charles I.

You realise it wasn't just the royalty right?

xp
Barbados missed a trick there tbh

one might ask about the motivation to take the word dystopia and the imagery of the guillotine super literally, but we dont have to ask its in order to scold

everyone on ilx is American and poor VHS stands alone against the barbaric hordes

imagine crying tears for the rich who’d sell you for parts without thinking about it? Couldn’t be me!

pray 4 canada they dont know how to make their own tv shows

Honestly when even the most dedicated simp for the ruling class is calling your defence of the status quo dickish

What VHS is doing is pretty similar to Carlson in that monologue btw. 'Ignore the problems this is a beautiful place'.

And not even American himself, inspiring, isn’t it?

VHS backs the filibuster because he thinks "the nuclear option" actually involves an ICBM.