Jesus Christ, man, for sure society could stand to loosen up about sexuality a little, but exposing infants to adult sexuality is surely not the place to start.
xpost Tuomas you really, really ought to check out some of the available research about what infants are & aren't aware of
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 5 December 2005 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link
heh heh "things"
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 5 December 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― JimD (JimD), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link
He finds a thread called "Is it bad for a baby to see you masturbating?", curious by the moral implications of this question, young Mika clicks. The words "ADULT CONTENTS" appeared on the screen, and the computer asked Mika whether he was old enough to view the contents, "well, in ancient greece i would have been buggered by a dude by my age, so i guess so!", as he clicks, he finds in horror that his uncle Tuomas thought in 2005 that masturbating next to babies are okay and any concepts of wrongness are purely based on social conditioning. Then he remembered his mother told him that, when he was young, uncle Tuomas used to babysit for him. Cold sweat started the roll down Mika's face.
He went to confront his uncle Tuomas.
Mika "hi uncle Tuomas"Tuomas "yo! Mika wassup"Mika "erm, you know you used to babysit me right when i were a baby?"Tuomas "oooh yeah. good times"Mika "did you ever get lonely on your own with me?"Tuomas "mm sometimes"Mika "do you like, ever grow a boner whilst babysitting me?"Tuomas "er.. what an odd question!"Mika "just answer me!"Tuomas "well, sometimes. i was above social taboos and so i had boners whenever i damn well pleases"Mika "what do you do when you get the boners"tuomas "i jerk off of course!"mika "arrrrrrrrrrrgh"
― ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link
hahahahahaha!
― JimD (JimD), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link
Sure they're aware, and I'm not suggesting a shield, but I am saying that there's a big difference between "mom and dad are doing something private and I have some ideas about it" and "dad has his cock out." "Aware" isn't the same as "exposed to."
Okay, what it boils down is, can an infant less than a year old thgink "dad has his cock out", and be somehow traumatized by it? If you think so, I guess there's no point in further debate.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link
(x-post)
Mädchen, do you think that, for example, parent who have sex in their bedroom while their baby is in the crib in the same room should be put to trial?
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link
xpost
― ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sailor Kitten (g-kit), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link
And to what?
(Tuomas: the infant doesn't have language, so it can't think "dad's playing with his boner." But he/she does know something's going on, and saves the information its its little brane. This theory can be taken to ridiculous ends of speculation - $c13n+0l0gy for example - but the core's true: infants are aware, and the things you see shape your opinion. It is not healthy to see your father masturbating at any age, unless you paid cash money for it and are allowed to film it, in which case it's cool.
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link
Have an apple, it's Nature's Toothbrush.
― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link
-- J.D. (aubade8...) (webmail), December 5th, 2005. (Justyn Dillingham) (later)
"sweatshops: are they necessary?"
If people really can't see the any difference between what I'm saying and justifying incest, then I guess there's no point at all in having this conservation.
Tuomas: the infant doesn't have language, so it can't think "dad's playing with his boner." But he/she does know something's going on, and saves the information its its little brane. This theory can be taken to ridiculous ends of speculation - $c13n+0l0gy for example - but the core's true: infants are aware, and the things you see shape your opinion. It is not healthy to see your father masturbating at any age, unless you paid cash money for it and are allowed to film it, in which case it's cool.
I don't think there's any clear consensus on development psychology on what the child is aware of (a small infant probably is aware of movement, but how on earth can it attach a concept like "masturbation" - or any concept at all - to it, which would be necessary for it to "remember" dad wanking later on), and especially on whether and how things in our infancy affect us, so you're only presenting one theory here.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link
That was just in the 90s with Dutroux. He's locked up now.
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― S!gmund Freud (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link
so in brief, it's all cultural conditioning, except for when it isn't.
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link
cf. Exploding Testicle Syndrome
― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link
Because wanker needs the baby there to get hottttt.
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link
although i reckon one can be cultually conditioned to think otherwise.
― ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link
with their genitals growing bigger and then stuff squirting out of it.
You know some very special women, Ken.
― Dan (SHE'S GONNA BLOW!!!) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link
"Why are we here?""Where did we come from?""Is it okay to masturbate in front of the baby before we go?""Are those nachos?"
― Dan (And So On) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link