Have you tried the Duolingo Latin yet?
― Anita Quatloos (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 April 2022 14:58 (two years ago) link
ILXegitimi non carborundum
― Anita Quatloos (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 April 2022 17:48 (two years ago) link
Okay if you want to accept “impactful” but don’t pretend it came from Cicero: https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2019/04/impactful.html.
― Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 10:49 (two years ago) link
It made its OED debut in 2018, along with “jumbotron.” https://public.oed.com/updates/new-words-list-june-2018/
― Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 10:56 (two years ago) link
I almost used “debut” as a transitive verb but thought better of it, not wanting to stir things further.
― Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 10:57 (two years ago) link
Which I guess would've been okay today but Oxford sez exp North American, business: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/debut_2
― Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 11:19 (two years ago) link
debut is fine as a transitive verb
also this nonsense belongs on "words and phrases (good) that annoy me (bad)"
― mark s, Thursday, 21 April 2022 11:46 (two years ago) link
Yes, I believe you have made this impactful point several times about this “nonsense” regarding people’s folk opinions as to usage, but are sure that is the right thread to banish it to? Maybe it should more properly be on Noize Board thread about Britishes vs. US(age).
― Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 11:58 (two years ago) link
no, it is not fine as a transitive verb. If I were a copy-editor I would cross it out and replace it with "launch"
xp
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Thursday, 21 April 2022 12:00 (two years ago) link
i am a copy editor
whether i replaced it would of course depend on context but it's fine
― mark s, Thursday, 21 April 2022 12:16 (two years ago) link
'Debuted' as a word in English is odd because you wouldn't pronounce the last letters - or, if you like, you'd pronounce it 'Debu'd' ie: omit the te.
I don't say that this makes it invalid or that other English words don't have silent letters.
I just reflect that this fact about 'Debuted' might add to people's resistance to it if they see it as a new word. It's perhaps a bit awkward.
On reflection I don't think I would use it, but I'm also not going to complain if others use it.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 21 April 2022 12:22 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwyTrWJ7Djw
― Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 12:30 (two years ago) link
Your debutante just knows what you need etc iirc
― Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 12:38 (two years ago) link
this is a weird exchange to read as an American
― rob, Thursday, 21 April 2022 12:40 (two years ago) link
Your debutante just knows what you need but your arsenal, well that’s a horse of a different color.
― Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 12:42 (two years ago) link
Xp: because?
― Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 12:43 (two years ago) link
Debut as a transitive verb is completely normal here, and I had no idea it wasn't in the UK. So the idea that "it is not fine as a transitive verb" or it's "odd" and people might struggle with guessing how to pronounce it is itself odd to me. nbd, just a little funny, like americans losing their minds in a roundabout or something
― rob, Thursday, 21 April 2022 12:46 (two years ago) link
It’s completely normal in the UK too. Funnily enough I just edited a piece containing it.
― Alba, Thursday, 21 April 2022 14:15 (two years ago) link
Maybe this thread should be restyled as TS Copyeditors vs. Grammar Fiends FITE!where "fiend" is in the sense ofhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lae8FewbnuU
― Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 19:53 (two years ago) link
HOW DU I SHOT Capitalization Rules for Headlines
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 14:11 (two years ago) link
(or titles obv.)
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 14:13 (two years ago) link
Apart from the initial cap (or yes, for names etc) I would say avoid wherever possible - I feel like upper case in headlines always 'snags' the eye.
I work on a magazine for a big heritage organisation and they've just decided to stop using the Gill font in all their publications, posters etc. First instance I know of a cancelled font.
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 5 May 2022 14:15 (two years ago) link
Capitalization is a good example of why picking 1 style guide and obeying it no matter what can be a kindness to yourself, though even there Chicago, e.g., has rules for headline-style (Brazen Disregard for Ward Fowler's Sensitive Little Eyes) and sentence-style (This is the future Ward Fowlers want)
― rob, Thursday, 5 May 2022 14:29 (two years ago) link
There are no quality newspapers in the UK that do anything other than sentence case for headlines (and with the tabloids, it's just that they put SOME words, or whole headlines, in all caps).
Bit more a mix in the US, right?
― Alba, Thursday, 5 May 2022 14:32 (two years ago) link
i like no caps in all circumstances
― mark s, Thursday, 5 May 2022 14:39 (two years ago) link
u and xhuxk0r both
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 14:49 (two years ago) link
Title case would be decidedly easier to implement if everyone agreed on the exceptions.
The way I learned it was that you cap everything except the little eensy-weensy words and conjunctions, but where things start to get weird is longer words that are still technically supposed to be downstyle.
People generally agree about having "a," "an," "the," and "of" lowercase. Most people seem to agree on "with."
Then you get to the nore debatable words like "among" and "without," and then the fisticuffs begin.
Personally I try to find ways to avoid such disputes. It's usually unproductive and it's not reader-centric to spend more than 30 seconds on an issue like this. Make a choice and stick to it; I don't care which. For me, the only audience that has final say is the person who decides to pay me.
― may the florist be with you (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 May 2022 16:08 (two years ago) link
When doing title case (for titles of books and films) on my publication, the one that people always want to cap down when house style says they shouldn’t is “is”. We stick to prepositions.
― Alba, Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:04 (two years ago) link
Personally I like an italicized title in running text as without it, the lowercase prepositions can make the unit of the titles hard to discern. I used to work somewhere where house style was to cap every word of book and film titles with no exceptions, which avoided this problem without the need for italics.
― Alba, Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:08 (two years ago) link
Xp
Yeah "Is" is a verb, and it is often the main verb. To me, that is not controversial. But I am sure there are people out there arguing the point.
My inclination is to embrace (a) house style if there is one, (b) the preference of whoever is paying me, then (c) my best guess about the preference of the target audience that I wish to persuade.
After 35 years of this shit, I am at the point where my own preferences are a distant fourth.
― may the florist be with you (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:13 (two years ago) link
Friend of mine just told me the exact same thing about “is.”
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:34 (two years ago) link
xps
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:35 (two years ago) link
Feel like people want to downcase “is” because it looks like “in.”I remember long ago receiving an email from a friend of mine who works at Film Forum with the titles of films in all caps which made perfect sense to me for various reasons.
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:42 (two years ago) link
Which Alba just mentioned a few posts ago, still catching up sorry.
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:43 (two years ago) link
Oh no, that’s not quite what he said,
I've noticed that the designers of CD inserts almost always finesse the problem by using small block caps for all song titles.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 5 May 2022 18:29 (two years ago) link
What are these CDs you speak of, Mr. Aimless?
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 18:31 (two years ago) link
CDs nuts
― war mice (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 6 May 2022 18:37 (two years ago) link
CDs? Try to imagine them as shiny, thin plastic coasters full of super-sized MP3s that haven't been filtered through highly lossy algorithms.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 7 May 2022 04:11 (two years ago) link
TS Have you got vs. Have you gotten. Is it yet another GBS US/UK divide?
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 May 2022 12:12 (two years ago) link
Oh wait, no, he didn’t, my brane downcased it whilst reading.
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 May 2022 12:13 (two years ago) link
TS Have you got vs. Have you gottendo you have?
― buffalo tomozzarella (ledge), Sunday, 22 May 2022 12:14 (two years ago) link
have you
― mark s, Sunday, 22 May 2022 12:17 (two years ago) link
Not talking about the sense of possession, more like “have you got(ten) to the part about…?”
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 May 2022 12:40 (two years ago) link
are you at
― mark s, Sunday, 22 May 2022 13:02 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCwMFwvwieo
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 May 2022 13:08 (two years ago) link
have you any wool?
― towards fungal computer (harbl), Sunday, 22 May 2022 13:48 (two years ago) link
What matter have you against me?
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 May 2022 14:10 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxO0jo7U4d4
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 May 2022 14:23 (two years ago) link
british people don't consider "gotten" a word iirc
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 22 May 2022 20:09 (two years ago) link