Xp: because?
― Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 12:43 (two years ago) link
Debut as a transitive verb is completely normal here, and I had no idea it wasn't in the UK. So the idea that "it is not fine as a transitive verb" or it's "odd" and people might struggle with guessing how to pronounce it is itself odd to me. nbd, just a little funny, like americans losing their minds in a roundabout or something
― rob, Thursday, 21 April 2022 12:46 (two years ago) link
It’s completely normal in the UK too. Funnily enough I just edited a piece containing it.
― Alba, Thursday, 21 April 2022 14:15 (two years ago) link
Maybe this thread should be restyled as TS Copyeditors vs. Grammar Fiends FITE!where "fiend" is in the sense ofhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lae8FewbnuU
― Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 19:53 (two years ago) link
HOW DU I SHOT Capitalization Rules for Headlines
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 14:11 (two years ago) link
(or titles obv.)
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 14:13 (two years ago) link
Apart from the initial cap (or yes, for names etc) I would say avoid wherever possible - I feel like upper case in headlines always 'snags' the eye.
I work on a magazine for a big heritage organisation and they've just decided to stop using the Gill font in all their publications, posters etc. First instance I know of a cancelled font.
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 5 May 2022 14:15 (two years ago) link
Capitalization is a good example of why picking 1 style guide and obeying it no matter what can be a kindness to yourself, though even there Chicago, e.g., has rules for headline-style (Brazen Disregard for Ward Fowler's Sensitive Little Eyes) and sentence-style (This is the future Ward Fowlers want)
― rob, Thursday, 5 May 2022 14:29 (two years ago) link
There are no quality newspapers in the UK that do anything other than sentence case for headlines (and with the tabloids, it's just that they put SOME words, or whole headlines, in all caps).
Bit more a mix in the US, right?
― Alba, Thursday, 5 May 2022 14:32 (two years ago) link
i like no caps in all circumstances
― mark s, Thursday, 5 May 2022 14:39 (two years ago) link
u and xhuxk0r both
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 14:49 (two years ago) link
Title case would be decidedly easier to implement if everyone agreed on the exceptions.
The way I learned it was that you cap everything except the little eensy-weensy words and conjunctions, but where things start to get weird is longer words that are still technically supposed to be downstyle.
People generally agree about having "a," "an," "the," and "of" lowercase. Most people seem to agree on "with."
Then you get to the nore debatable words like "among" and "without," and then the fisticuffs begin.
Personally I try to find ways to avoid such disputes. It's usually unproductive and it's not reader-centric to spend more than 30 seconds on an issue like this. Make a choice and stick to it; I don't care which. For me, the only audience that has final say is the person who decides to pay me.
― may the florist be with you (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 May 2022 16:08 (two years ago) link
When doing title case (for titles of books and films) on my publication, the one that people always want to cap down when house style says they shouldn’t is “is”. We stick to prepositions.
― Alba, Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:04 (two years ago) link
Personally I like an italicized title in running text as without it, the lowercase prepositions can make the unit of the titles hard to discern. I used to work somewhere where house style was to cap every word of book and film titles with no exceptions, which avoided this problem without the need for italics.
― Alba, Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:08 (two years ago) link
Xp
Yeah "Is" is a verb, and it is often the main verb. To me, that is not controversial. But I am sure there are people out there arguing the point.
My inclination is to embrace (a) house style if there is one, (b) the preference of whoever is paying me, then (c) my best guess about the preference of the target audience that I wish to persuade.
After 35 years of this shit, I am at the point where my own preferences are a distant fourth.
― may the florist be with you (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:13 (two years ago) link
Friend of mine just told me the exact same thing about “is.”
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:34 (two years ago) link
xps
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:35 (two years ago) link
Feel like people want to downcase “is” because it looks like “in.”I remember long ago receiving an email from a friend of mine who works at Film Forum with the titles of films in all caps which made perfect sense to me for various reasons.
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:42 (two years ago) link
Which Alba just mentioned a few posts ago, still catching up sorry.
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:43 (two years ago) link
Oh no, that’s not quite what he said,
I've noticed that the designers of CD inserts almost always finesse the problem by using small block caps for all song titles.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 5 May 2022 18:29 (two years ago) link
What are these CDs you speak of, Mr. Aimless?
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 18:31 (two years ago) link
CDs nuts
― war mice (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 6 May 2022 18:37 (two years ago) link
CDs? Try to imagine them as shiny, thin plastic coasters full of super-sized MP3s that haven't been filtered through highly lossy algorithms.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 7 May 2022 04:11 (two years ago) link
TS Have you got vs. Have you gotten. Is it yet another GBS US/UK divide?
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 May 2022 12:12 (two years ago) link
Oh wait, no, he didn’t, my brane downcased it whilst reading.
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 May 2022 12:13 (two years ago) link
TS Have you got vs. Have you gottendo you have?
― buffalo tomozzarella (ledge), Sunday, 22 May 2022 12:14 (two years ago) link
have you
― mark s, Sunday, 22 May 2022 12:17 (two years ago) link
Not talking about the sense of possession, more like “have you got(ten) to the part about…?”
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 May 2022 12:40 (two years ago) link
are you at
― mark s, Sunday, 22 May 2022 13:02 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCwMFwvwieo
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 May 2022 13:08 (two years ago) link
have you any wool?
― towards fungal computer (harbl), Sunday, 22 May 2022 13:48 (two years ago) link
What matter have you against me?
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 May 2022 14:10 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxO0jo7U4d4
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 May 2022 14:23 (two years ago) link
british people don't consider "gotten" a word iirc
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 22 May 2022 20:09 (two years ago) link
That’s changed a lot recently.
― Alba, Sunday, 22 May 2022 20:15 (two years ago) link
You could say they’ve gotten wise to the hip US lingo
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Sunday, 22 May 2022 20:17 (two years ago) link
ill-gotten is very ordinary present-day uk english (when used of gains, riches, wealth etc)
etymonline.com dates its hip modernity to the 14c: https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=gotten
(ie like many US variants it's older not newer)
― mark s, Sunday, 22 May 2022 20:41 (two years ago) link
Best word there is sooterkin.
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 May 2022 20:43 (two years ago) link
it is a good word definitely
― mark s, Sunday, 22 May 2022 20:45 (two years ago) link
I was making a bad joke fwiw
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Monday, 23 May 2022 00:50 (two years ago) link
I'm not at all keen on 'gotten'. But for that matter I'm not keen on 'got' - a very overused, almost ubiquitous word which I don't find at all pretty. As Mark S has already indicated above, it's often not at all necessary to use this word. In James Redd's example, I would say 'Have you reached ... ?'
― the pinefox, Monday, 23 May 2022 09:58 (two years ago) link
be careful or you will get got
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 23 May 2022 14:29 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Meo9VQKhN-Q
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 15:16 (two years ago) link
So my state has outlawed individual plastic bags, which means you have to bring your own shopping bags to the supermarket and basically everywhere else to carry your purchases away. I went to a small supermarket the other day on a whim and didn't have a bag with me, so I was forced to buy one for 99 cents. Anyway, it says on the side
"Thank You for Shopping With us!"
capitalized exactly like that. Shouldn't that obviously be "Thank You for Shopping with Us!"?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 23 May 2022 16:52 (two years ago) link
Maybe they thought it was a two-letter word and therefore should be capitalized? Or maybe it is some weird patriotic thing.I used to use a free bag somebody gave me from the NYC DoS or some other agency, but I finally lost it and ending up getting a nice foldable one from the local gift shop that wasn't too expensive which I love, although now I am paranoid since I don't have it on me and don't quite remember where I put it.
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 17:03 (two years ago) link
Should be lowercased, I meant to say.
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 17:04 (two years ago) link
All lowercase and all caps both solutions to a certain problem.
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 17:05 (two years ago) link
CamelCase to thread!
― Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 17:06 (two years ago) link
all lowercase is always correct
― mark s, Monday, 23 May 2022 17:16 (two years ago) link