Bad Chappelle Bits

ok I watched this and depending on your tolerance level for things, I thought it was fine.

― akm

Which “things”, transphobia or antisemitism?

the rumor was that some of the writing staff stayed out for the week in protest, hence the longer monologue. I didn't see MOlly Kearny in the episode at all (but she's a featured player and hence not always there anyway). I feel like he was in most of the sketches though? the one where he had Mikey Day do his character was great.

Kearny was in the last bit with the three wannabe Lonely Island writers

Which “things”, transphobia or antisemitism?

transphobia and trans issues weren't mentioned once. there was an extended piece in the monologue that to my mind wasn't antisemitic, he just pointed out that lots of jewish people do work in hollywood, but if you are not mentally well or something is wrong with you, you start to draw conspiratorial lines and scapegoat people.

Iirc all his past recent hosting gigs had long monologues. In fact, I think most stand-up comedians (like Mulaney or CK) often have long or longer monologues when they host.

i’m just pointing out that black people commit more crimes than white people relative to their percentage of the population, not saying it means anything, just asking questions, something to think about

He also said he's tired of saying things in front of audiences, so maybe he hangs it up soon?

akm can i just make sure i’m understanding you right that if somebody thinks the parts of chapelle’s monologue where he talks about how many jews there are in hollywood is antisemitic, you would consider that person “not mentally well”?

no, that's not what i'm saying.

My understanding of what he said was that he believes mentally ill people can be conspiratorial and then unfairly blame groups of people for their perceived ills. I may have misunderstood him, but that was my takeaway.

and not only mentally ill people, I think he may have also implied that Kyrie Irving is dumb.

You don’t have to be mentally ill to be an antisemite you might just be a washed up comedian on national television

I may have misunderstood him

He tried to play both sides of the street by keeping his verbiage vague and teasing, but it was very clear that all the strongest signals were in complete solidarity with (Kan)ye and Kyrie Irving. It was all very wink-wink but his clear message was "we black people SEE how racist the jews are, but you all can't see it because you're white".

i’m just pointing out that black people commit more crimes than white people relative to their percentage of the population, not saying it means anything, just asking questions, something to think about

― Tracer Hand, Monday, November 14, 2022 10:21 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

His early career was this exact joke.

Oops. I think you were making that exact point. I’ll move along!

I AM CANCELLING MYSELF

I WILL CONTINUE POSTING HERE TO LET YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT

This was a good sketch (no need to watch if you don't want to!), unrelated to any controversies around his monologue or recent specials:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUTF-cbiPYI

Reading "this is anti-Semitic dogwhistling" into a fucking SNL monologue is absolute Tumblr brain

And what kind of brain do you have Mr Hipster Puppies

Twitter brain

i watched it in real time. it was antisemitic. he tried to be all slick "oh im much smarter than the audience" in his dumb smug way and also he had a dumb brand new leather jacket that looked stupid. he's dumb. at least he wasn't doing the dumb i smoke where cigarettes where most people can't power move thing.

I think his joke "There’s a lot of Black people in Ferguson, Missouri. Doesn’t mean they run the place" pretty much definitively and unambiguously says "No, there is not a Jewish Conspiracy"

Nobody said it wasn't a fucking SNL monologue. That's obvious and has nothing to do with anything. So, are you saying there was no anti-semitic dogwhistling in it, and any perception of it being there is only a product of one's delusions? If so, let me introduce you to my friend, Mr. 88.

but there ARE a lot of them in Hollywood

definitively and unambiguously says

as I said, he tried to play both sides of the street

I mean, I agree that he was playing both sides, but the side I see is the same "edgy/mischievous" Chappelle shit we've had for 20 years

It's like saying the "Now let's try it with Spanish gibberish over it" bit from Chappelle's show was dogwhistling anti-Latinx sentiment.

if you say so I guess they are exactly the same. I can't say. never saw his show.

whiney there is no point in doing this

Like, idk, if you're on the internet it def seems like political comedy in all its forms has basically outstayed its welcome.

Edgy stuff is "dogwhistling" or "punching down," regular neoLiberal stuff is "cringe," woke stuff is "not funny." Like you honestly can't win at this point, so maybe the Chappelles of the world just have poster's disease where they can't stop talking, but he also still fills stadiums full of people hanging on his every word, which I guess is the 90% of not-always-online people

Like maybe John Oliver gets a pass since he has like a team of researchers at his disposal, but he's also responsible for "DRUMPF" so

whiney there is no point in doing this

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, November 14, 2022 1:57 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

idk also this

thinking about dave chapelle in 2022 is just profoundly depressing to me, i cannot extend him any sort of benefit of the doubt or "this has always been his style" kinds of justification. the man sucks, he says shitty things constantly, and he has sustained an audience even though he's not very funny anymore either. it's not worth it

That 90% or not always online people are very much online judging by the overwhelmingly positive comments on the YT clip of the monologue

stans gonna stan

Like, idk, if you're on the internet it def seems like political comedy in all its forms has basically outstayed its welcome.

It's like saying the "Now let's try it with Spanish gibberish over it" bit from Chappelle's show was dogwhistling anti-Latinx sentiment.

― insane oatmeal raisin cookie posse (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, November 14, 2022 12:51 PM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

maybe because that was a Carlos Mencia level bit and this one ended with "I just hope ***they*** don't take everything away from me"

"whoever (winky winky) they (wink wink wink) are"

Chappelle's whole vibe is bitterness and resentment now. Even if the explicit content isn't dog-whistling or whatever, identity-based humor is gonna sound bad when that's the tone.

full disclosure i did not watch his monologue nor do i plan to but like Wasserman, at this point I've seen enough

"at least he wasn't doing the dumb i smoke where cigarettes where most people can't power move thing."

that was half of Bill Hicks act

you used to be able to smoke in wayyyy more places when bill was alive

true, I was just pointing out that chappelle lifted that schtick

if Hicks was still alive he'd be a full-on bigoted cunt too

Like, idk, if you're on the internet it def seems like political comedy in all its forms has basically outstayed its welcome.

RIP, "political comedy". You had a good run.

I don't mean to single you out NV, but the frequency with which ilx puts imaginary not-dead Bill Hicks on trial for contemporary political crimes is kind of weird? Dude's been dead for over 28 years but he gets brought up here remarkably often and most of those times it's this fantasy projection into a future he never lived in thing. I genuinely don't get it, aren't there enough bigoted cunts around now?

agree. I have no idea how bill hicks would have turned out. he undoubtedly influenced a lot of shitty comics and people, but also influenced a lot of great ones and, even if his stuff hasn't aged extremely well (and IMO most comedy doesn't age well.... Bob Newhart being the exception) he was fucking funny and edgy and great at the time.

anyway, Potato Hole and Sarah Sherman's weekend update bit aside, the best part of the episode was Blackstar

I don't even want to dive into what those dudes subscribe to.

blackstar? yeah no shit