https://i.imgur.com/izJW0Vt.png
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 17 November 2022 15:55 (one year ago) link
You might have regrets, but at least you’ll never have this guy’s regrets pic.twitter.com/wh1b3uJohm— Read Jackson Rising by @CooperationJXN (@JoshuaPHilll) November 16, 2022
― manic pixie dream shatner (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 17 November 2022 17:33 (one year ago) link
https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/17/23464351/whatsapp-business-directory-brazil-mexico-indonesia-uk
lol whatsapp is launching a feature that's similar to offering from the one company Elon actually started in the 90s
― mh, Thursday, 17 November 2022 17:39 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DRju2sOusI
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 November 2022 17:42 (one year ago) link
Can't believe I'm saying this, but if your account got locked in the last hour for retweeting my post about Elon Musk, DM me. (Others have DM'd me directly.) pic.twitter.com/pK4wGyRCpV— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) November 17, 2022
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 November 2022 20:50 (one year ago) link
Scoop: I am hearing far fewer than expected devs hit "yes".Elon sent out an email relaxing remote working from the former draconian policy.I'm hearing he is having meetings w top engineers to convince them to stay.Sounds like playing hardball does not work. Ofc it doesn't. https://t.co/VrPEn4IwBG— Gergely Orosz (@GergelyOrosz) November 17, 2022
― death generator (lukas), Thursday, 17 November 2022 20:54 (one year ago) link
Maybe the collective outrage over Ticketmaster cancelling the public ticket sales for the Taylor Swift tour will give enough of a pre-World Cup stress test.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 17 November 2022 20:57 (one year ago) link
how can he be so bad at this is so much worse than should be possible
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 November 2022 20:57 (one year ago) link
"From my larger group of 50 people, 10 are staying, 40 are taking the severance. Elon set up meetings with a few who plan to quit."I don't blame people quitting. They've been offered intimidation, ever-changing policies the last minute, long hours, and an ultimatum.— Gergely Orosz (@GergelyOrosz) November 17, 2022
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 November 2022 20:58 (one year ago) link
Who could have predicted this?
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, 17 November 2022 20:59 (one year ago) link
The richest man in the world now has to beg blue-haired nerds to keep submitting pull requests. And they’re just going to be like “you know I’ve been meaning to take a pottery class, it’s time.” Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
― death generator (lukas), Thursday, 17 November 2022 21:01 (one year ago) link
crazy that people didnt jump at the chance to take a much worse job than they can get anywhere else
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 November 2022 21:01 (one year ago) link
It's nice to see pampered, overpaid programmers getting to play the victim in a media narrative for once.
― o. nate, Thursday, 17 November 2022 21:07 (one year ago) link
Maybe it's just me but it feels like implicitly whittling your workforce down to employees motivated by punishments from daddy isn't the most efficient way to run a company.
― Beautiful Bean Footage Fetishist (Old Lunch), Thursday, 17 November 2022 21:09 (one year ago) link
And I've got to assume those staying, every last one of them, is readying a resume and looking for other opportunities, because they would be more reckless than Musk not to.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 November 2022 21:09 (one year ago) link
xpost You probably have to create a whole new division to delegate some of those spanking duties to, for a start.
― Beautiful Bean Footage Fetishist (Old Lunch), Thursday, 17 November 2022 21:10 (one year ago) link
I assume the majority of people who don’t quit will be those with visas
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, 17 November 2022 21:12 (one year ago) link
Also may be gambling that a lot of people will get promotions to fill positions left by people who quit. If you're kind of low-level, it could work out well. (Not that I have any idea how the hierarchy of Twitter departments is set up.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 17 November 2022 21:23 (one year ago) link
No use getting promoted to be the boss of nobody
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, 17 November 2022 21:24 (one year ago) link
idk that sounds pretty good
― nashwan, Thursday, 17 November 2022 21:37 (one year ago) link
Well, fair
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, 17 November 2022 21:38 (one year ago) link
My whole career game plan has been, and hopefully always will be, to get promoted and compensated as much as is possible without being to boss of anybody.
― Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 17 November 2022 21:46 (one year ago) link
"I fear that in this world one is reduced to being either hammer or anvil; lucky the man who escapes these alternatives!"
― death generator (lukas), Thursday, 17 November 2022 21:49 (one year ago) link
Also may be gambling that a lot of people will get promotions to fill positions left by people who quit. If you're kind of low-level, it could work out well. (Not that I have any idea how the hierarchy of Twitter departments is set up.)― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, November 17, 2022 4:23 PM (thirty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, November 17, 2022 4:23 PM (thirty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
IC engineers don't get promoted just because someone more senior than them gets fired. managers sometimes do, and i know a couple of managers who stuck around hoping for exactly that. they both got fired in the first wave though haha.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 November 2022 21:55 (one year ago) link
I assume the majority of people who don’t quit will be those with visas― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, November 17, 2022 4:12 PM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, November 17, 2022 4:12 PM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i know four people still on the payroll. three are on visas and one is on paternity leave.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 November 2022 21:58 (one year ago) link
― o. nate, Thursday, November 17, 2022 4:07 PM (forty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
its pretty funny that musk thought he could do some drill sergeant routine, pure delusion, pampered people are very resistant to not being pampered anymore
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 November 2022 21:59 (one year ago) link
i dont particularly know what goes on as far as management in musks other companies but purely speculating both cars and rockets seem like industries that people might have a particular interest in working in, like video games or movies, and therefore are willing to work more hardcore, but making a app its cool people are interested in and may even be passionate about the technology aspect but no ones like its just so amazing to be around websites you know
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:02 (one year ago) link
up until recently, if you wanted to work on rockets or greenfield EV car design, there were relatively few places to go
but if you're a software engineer in silicon valley, there are and have been literally a million places to go?
(i think i saw this point being made itt but can't find it, apologies for plagiarizing)
― 龜, Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:13 (one year ago) link
i think its amazing to be around websites. but im not an engineer
― ciderpress, Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:14 (one year ago) link
posters love to be around websites
― ciderpress, Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:15 (one year ago) link
xp to myself - meant to say 'clean sheet' not 'greenfield'
― 龜, Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:20 (one year ago) link
i know four people still on the payroll. three are on visas and one is on paternity leave.― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, November 17, 2022 4:58 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, November 17, 2022 4:58 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
lmao one of them quit today.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:22 (one year ago) link
for a while people were genuinely interested in apps, telling you their app ideas, asking if you know how to build that
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:23 (one year ago) link
never know, the next one could be a million dollar idea
― mh, Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:26 (one year ago) link
i dont particularly know what goes on as far as management in musks other companies but purely speculating both cars and rockets seem like industries that people might have a particular interest in working in, like video games or movies, and therefore are willing to work more hardcore, but making a app its cool people are interested in and may even be passionate about the technology aspect but no ones like its just so amazing to be around websites you know― lag∞n, Thursday, November 17, 2022 5:02 PM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― lag∞n, Thursday, November 17, 2022 5:02 PM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i think ironically twitter actually is a place where certain kinds of engineers go. it has a rep as being cushy of course but i'm not talking about that. it also has a really strong track record of being a place you can do foundational and extremely influential stuff, without needing to put up with organizational complexity on the scale of google/facebook. they don't care about twitter.com per se, but twitter.com has more interesting engineering problems than like doordash or even uber.
good thread of examples of this
One of the things that I think is sad about the decimation of Twitter eng is that Twitter was doing a lot of interesting (and high ROI) engineering work that, at younger companies, is mostly outsourced to "the cloud" or open source projectsA few examples off the top of my head: https://t.co/zAMF3oW5rL— Dan Luu (@danluu) November 16, 2022
these people actually like the idea of "hardcore" (not in those words, they're adults) and should be his constituency. but it turns out that spending a month shitting on everything they've ever done (while being factually wrong about literally every detail) is not a winning strategy.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:27 (one year ago) link
You can be a software engineer essentially anywhere including like banks, grocery stores, universities, companies you haven’t heard of that make ERP systems for hyperspecific sectors…
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:29 (one year ago) link
Personally I think scratching layers off of legacy code and fixing up bad databases and solving business logic problems for your colleagues is interesting
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:30 (one year ago) link
their idea of hardcore (solving difficult problems) is prob different than musks (sleeping at the office) xp
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:31 (one year ago) link
I feel like a lot of the foundational things Uber, etc. had to do are now almost boilerplate. I was at a conference talk where "here's how you'd use this backend system to query the nearest ten cars from a geospatial point" was a low-code example. The backends caught up and have absorbed a lot of the system load that Uber would have had to design around
imo Uber/Lyft still had some things to work on some years ago, but their grasp exceeded their reach and they started building systems to detect cops and feds attempting to illegally use their cars and started building shit to explicitly flaunt regulations, etc. that would have been a waste of time if their basics weren't already there
― mh, Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:32 (one year ago) link
twitter is just endless "what should we show users and get them to click on ads and also stay on the site" followed by a zillion thought experiments and re-engineering, but caek probably can speak to that
― mh, Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:33 (one year ago) link
the problem is Uber and Lyft cannot make money because their business model was using VC cash to subsidize cab rides and bribe city councils to exempt them from regulations, so the engineering problems aren't really relevant
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:33 (one year ago) link
anyway it sounds like essentially everyone is quitting
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:34 (one year ago) link
xxxp i know nothing about how they build the product tbh.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:34 (one year ago) link
xxp unravelling patterns of human interest to keep them scrolling and posting, not just getting someone a ride
― mh, Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:34 (one year ago) link
xp you were the thought experiment department I thought
if you're a serious infra person and you like things like fixing bugs in the kernel networking stack and improving the throughput of a very large system then you can see how twitter (along with relatively few other places) might be one of your only options. i guess the difference is you have like 5 options and 4 of them aren't run by a maniac and pay better, but if you like space stuff you have 2 options and they're both run by a maniac.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:35 (one year ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, November 17, 2022 4:02 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
one of my biggest regrets professionally is that i didn't really see how incredibly fucked up labor issues were in the game industry, we were working our own crunch on the latest issue and website updates constantly and everything was so centered around that being the natural state of things. i was just ignorant as anyone and the culture and discourse has (thankfully) gotten much more critical of the game industry in the past 5 or so years. we definitely failed on every level back then.
all that is to say that i met so many dictatorial nutcases who ran studios and everything about elon musk reminds me of them
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:35 (one year ago) link
on the bright side, I don't think any huge open source projects that are in wide use have twitter as the primary contributor so we won't end up with software forks
― mh, Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:41 (one year ago) link
reading the twitter kernel guys thread talking about how newer companies are all cloud bois was left wondering once you get big isnt that just so expensive, wouldnt it be worth it to roll yr own at some point
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:49 (one year ago) link
oh yeah, but even then you need someone else's cloud for some stuff even if it's just image caches
― mh, Thursday, 17 November 2022 22:52 (one year ago) link