The _Avatar_ sequel, presumably also directed by James Cameron

think flopson was more reacting to why people said the politics were terrible in A2 rather than saying Cameron had literally achieved The Battle of Algiers with Blue People.

like do I really go to these hollywood tentpoles thinking "I am hoping to see a film that advocates for a living wage", no, at best I say "I hope this film is entertaining and that its makers don't ruin it with really toxic beliefs" .

lol Aliens is practically the hambone '80s Battle of Algiers.

"Let's see how we whiteys can survive as the native population takes revenge on us."

I checked out on Marvel shit many years ago so if this is a welcome corrective measure, I’ll take it. I grew up in the age of Fern Gully and Free Willy and I guess I don’t see it as revolutionary.

This was a lot of fun.

To be fair, the aliens in the Alien franchise are also colonizers.

Also fwiw, I commute a lot for work and listen to some movie podcasts and Cameron and Avatar are very much Cool and In. If I’m bucking, I’m bucking that thing.

I think he’s got 3 great movies. First Terminator fucking rules and is his best imo.

tie between that one and Aliens.

I was being a bit flip but I do enjoy the dialogue in everything Cameron did pre-Titanic. I wasn’t changing that assessment, just expressing self-doubt

and I know he was the writer and not director but when are we going to get a Strange Days critical reassessment

by the time I watched Aliens the entire Space Marines trope had been kind of driven into the ground so it wasn’t as compelling to me as Alien, which is just top tier

Aliens kills, but Ridley wins that one by a mile. Some of the best art direction in the history of film.

it was kind of fun in avatar 2 to see those aliens-esque space marines as the villains

I mean, they’re not the heroes in Aliens, either. They’re hubris getting clobbered.

i played Hudson in a Shakespearean adaptation of Aliens this past year and basically my entire motivation was "be the loudest talking, dickwaving bullshitter on the planet, then whine like a baby at the first sign of trouble"

true, but fun to think of the movie as aliens from the point of view of the aliens haha

my favorite part of this movie was the general getting overruled by the angriest marine, and then she just walks away and out of the movie about 2 hours before it finally ended

she's just like 'eh, they'll fix it in post, it doesn't matter, bye'

really? that was only my second favorite part of the movie

it was a tough choice! lol

i love this article and the rumor it's based on:

https://www.cbr.com/james-cameron-avatar-3-cut-nine-hours-vfx/

The rumor comes courtesy of industry insider Jeff Sneider, who discussed the third Avatar installment's progress during an episode of the Hot Mic podcast. "Someone reached out [to me] and said Cameron handed in a cut of Avatar 3 last week," he said. "The cut was, no joke, 9 hours long. And apparently, he's insisting on doing the [visual effects] for this cut, so that all 9 hours get fully VFX'd, then he'll cut it down. Rather than figuring out what he wants and having them just do the VFX for that. That's what I heard."

and now that's what i heard, too!

Nine hours?!?

And you'll love every minute of it or else

so that all 9 hours get fully VFX'd

That can't possibly be true.

i feel like a good rumor should push the envelope of plausibility juuuust a little bit

Or maybe that is what Cameron wants, I dunno

Relax guys he'll break it into two 4 1/2 hour installments, it's a win-win.

lol if that’s even a tiny bit true it’s another tick mark in the “dude doesn’t know how to make an animated film” column

It's going to be a Zaireeka-esque experiment where you enter the film midway through at a random point, and there's one boombox with the score, one with the dialogue, and someone in the front row is responsible for hitting play on both

Speaking of Cameron rumors: https://www.thesuburban.com/arts_and_entertainment/entertainment/james-cameron-confirms-urban-myth-about-unique-aliens-pitch/article_c9796270-bc89-5447-a1a5-1938acef7767.html

To be fair, I'd probably watch a Cameron version of DAU.

you have to respect cameron's hustle - feels like he basically convinced the studios to front him three hundred million dollars for his own personal submarine hobby by saying look, it's a big upfront investment but you're gonna get at least 3 billion dollar blockbusters out of this one investment. and feels like he may be... right? i mean it's obvious we're not gonna get dune: avatar or avatar: into thin air, as much as that'd be cool. it's gonna be water from here on out because james cameron loves submersing.

Guessing he’s had some crazy waterproof pressurized casket made so he can be dropped into the deepest part of the ocean.

Cameron at the crib

https://media.tenor.com/jSXJXHzJe64AAAAC/simpsons-troy.gif

It’s interesting to contrast where this movie sits in worldwide movie revenue for 2022 vs US movie revenue for 2022.

Avatar 2 is up to about $2 billion in revenue

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/avatar-way-of-water-box-office-2b-globally-1235306500/

james cameron has directed 3 of the 6 films to pass the $2B marker

And he's only made one of the top 10 most expensive. It's crazy to me that Titanic is now tied for 47th-most-expensive movie ever, and even the first Avatar is 25th.

Is that adjusted for inflation?

inflation of the boat

Crazy how many of the top spots on the most expensive movies of all time list are taken up by those ugly ass Pirates of the Caribbean sequels.

Which is of course why one should never cite box office as a sign of much more than exceptional marketing success.

once hollywood decided (correctly? who is to say) that dumping insane amounts of money into a movie as an input gets you insane amounts at the box office they locked into a blockbuster death spiral

Is that adjusted for inflation?

Good point, no. If you do, Titanic is number 2 and Avatar number 6.

does the title Titanic refer to the boat or the amount of money spent making the movie hard to say

it refers to how good the movie is. the quality of the film is titanic

This thing is on HBO (excuse me, Max) starting Wednesday. Gonna install the Max app on my phone and check it out.

I like the theory that most of the movie's tickets were sold to ghosts.

Er what?

Just the idea that this is the biggest movie of all time, right? But for whatever reason I'm not sure I personally know a single person who has seen it. None of my friends, no children of friends, not my kids, none of their friends, not a soul. It's kinda weird. So must be mostly ghosts.

yes, non-americans are ghosts

I don't know anyone who voted for Joe Biden but my assumption is that everyone who did is Na'vi