like the queen this thread will never die: in which we ALL resign (ourselves to disgusting miseries to post-boris politics 2022)

What’s the difference between those and Plymouth Brethren/Exclusive Brethren?

I agree with Oscar Bravo. The voting ID feels like a bad scheme that we're constantly threatened with - yet apparently it's now a reality?

Calzino and others entirely correct that the scheme is bad and serves corrupt people.

"Marriage is between a man and a woman - that is what I PRACTISE"

is a pretty surreal line.

What’s the difference between those and Plymouth Brethren/Exclusive Brethren?

Calvinism?

.. also Scottish so factor in fractiousness, factionalism and fanaticism.

At least the Plymouth Brethren were a plot point in Oscar and Lucinda!

Two successive editors of Edgy Style Mag were escapees from Exclusive/Plymouth Brethren families, both with quietly loaded parents.

is there a good book about the history of the the Scottish Reformation?
it's roughly 100+ years from Luther to the prayer book rebellion in Edinburgh that precipitated the English Civil War, feels like a v quick turnaround historically to rabid Protestantism

There is no group specifically known as the Wee Wee Frees. Groups coming out of the Free Church include the Free Presbyterian Church in 1893 from which the Associated Presbyterian Churches split in 1989. The Free Church (Continuing) sometimes is labelled with the derogatory Wee Wee Free or even Wee Wee Wee Free term.

The junior doctors ballot speaks to an NHS gutted by successive governments, but in industrial terms it's an incredible feat of solid unionisation. 98% say yes to strike on a 77% turnout. Outstanding. Collective action is no longer the exception; victory for workers is inevitable

— kate flood (@KateFlood) February 20, 2023

We've just been re-balloted, somehow I can't see us managing a 77% turnout though.

Families are now forced to not say goodbye properly because of costs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-64376094

That's beyond the cost of living though. It's the funeral industry.

I don’t think that’s the gist of that piece. It’s definitely preference for some people, although your broader point re the high cost of funerals is right.

Janet worked for 30 years in a GP surgery and her husband Chris, who she has been married to for 50 years, worked for 33 years in a factory.
"We've worked all our lives and we want our children to have that money to do something to remember us in their own way," she says.
Janet would like her family to go on holiday instead and have a drink to celebrate their lives.

I should really read up more on it. I am pretty sure funerals cost a lot more money at home, in part due to how quickly we bury our dead and also open casket ceremonies being very common so you pay for embalming and preparing the body for a wake.

Ok, I did look this up and -€4k is a lot of money but that’s a lot of services included.

Legal & General makes this point about cremation in the UK:

Cremation costs

If you opt for a cremation funeral, you can expect to pay around £3,940. This covers the crematorium fee, minister’s fee, and funeral director’s charges, as well as doctor’s fees (not applicable in Scotland). However, the average cost of cremation alone was £873 in 2022.

after me and brother had arranged my dad's funeral he said to me "all i could hear throughout the conversation was dad saying 'HOW MUCH?'" and this was both funny and v true

I guess the problem here is you can't always get adequate notice to have enough time build your own pyre in your last few mortal days!

Yes, cremation funerals are expensive too.

I think my mum has realised that none of us are into funerals and says she doesn't want one. One of my brothers works from home at night and sleeps all day and rarely leaves the house.. Other one lives in Dubai and like me, had no interest in our dad's send-off. Some family really take a harsh view of no-shows, but Id rather not endure the enforced suffocating hypocrisy and bullshit, even I had the time.

In dollars, but we are going through this with my mum’s estate right now:

Probate $3500 (completely avoidable but for some maladministration from the county, long story)
Cremation $1000
Interment $2000 (to join her parents’ plot)
Memorial dinner $2000 (in lieu of a service)
Keeping hold of her flat before we can sell it $500/month since July

xp phrase into funerals is very funny to me but I completely get you!

I’ve only been to about two funerals my whole life. Infinitely the best part about a funeral is the gossip.

"I don’t think that’s the gist of that piece. It’s definitely preference for some people"

The daughter is conflicted about it.

But Janet's daughter, Bridie, isn't sure it's the right option.

"Because of their age I thought they would go down a traditional route. There are so many people who love them who want to say goodbye properly," she says.

It's definitely something of a trend, somewhat accelerated by covid. But it does sound like in some cases people are being nudged to go cheaper.

I think it's much more important how you treat people while they are still here than how much effort you put into paying tribute to them when they are gone. Too many people seem more concerned with the latter!

Yeah I totally think that’s a fine sentiment. The thing is that saying goodbye properly is really important. My one funeral I attended of anyone relatively closely related was my nana’s and a huge number of people turned up to the service which was honestly incredible for her children to see. If someone has had a long prolonged death, I imagine it’s very useful to be able to have a time and a place that is entirely focused on their life.

I've got a cousin who ignored the wish of his dying mother by inviting a mortal enemy of hers to stay at her house while she was on palliative care in a hospice. And she was very upset about it. Now this psycho will put on a right show at her funeral, and he was more concerned with his share of her house than ever visiting her.

genuinely impressed by the kate forbes' acceleration from zero to turbo-farron over the last 24 hours, fair play to her for refusing to present herself as anything other than a horrible bigot

we are always moaning about a lack of conviction politicians, now I don't want to see any more of them!

More convicted politicians please

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what's this guy do again?

yes, it is literally an incredible initiative matt.

genuinely impressed by the kate forbes' acceleration from zero to turbo-farron over the last 24 hours, fair play to her for refusing to present herself as anything other than a horrible bigot

so, surely everyone in the SNP upper ranks already knew she was a horrible bigot, and yet she's been portrayed a key member, one to watch, a political career on the rise etc. This tells me so much about who the SNP actually are as a party.

some of the worst English right-wing publications were already blowing so much smoke up her arse before she started talking. Lol, I'm just imagining some of the unsubstantial bollox they would be writing about her if they could still pretend she was actually quite progressive, under that hard 19th century religious zealot sheen

They had to choose someone once their heroine, Joanna Cherry, ruled herself out. I also saw a BBC intervier suggest Joanna Cherry as leader to a somewhat bemused SNP adviser who had to point out she's not even a member of the Scottish Parliament.

“It's okay for somebody who's a Marxist to bring what they've learned from Das Kapital into the room, but not to take what you believe from the Bible. That's nonsense, isn't it?”

Tim Farron with some Trumpian style perspective on Forbes, gosh what a dishonest + dim motherfucker. Any politician with even a moderately centre-left agenda will be attacked as a "Marxist" and much worse by the UK media, and he fucking knows it.

Typical Lib Dem cuntery.

It's because Das Kapital isn't made up, Tim.

also it doesn't matter what book "you believe" is telling you to deny rights to LGBQT+ people, the bad bit is the denying rights to LGBTQ+ people

Amazing Tim fucking Farron feels emboldened to crawl out of the woodwork. Remember when he missed a key Brexit vote to give a talk?

It seem that Tim Farron missed the Brexit vote because he was talking about gay sex again... https://t.co/ZCbZ1MzGBl

— Andrew Smith (@andrew_graeme) July 16, 2018

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FphlMSCWYAEnYi1?format=jpg&name=small

yeah i've seen him flapping his gums a lot this last week and fuck knows why

srsly the only national debate that should be happening is about criminalising politicians doing hate speech

Wow he’s actually even worse on this than the quote! Fuck off forever!

“It's okay for somebody who's a Marxist to bring what they've learned from Das Kapital into the room, but not to take what you believe from the Bible. That's nonsense, isn't it?”@TimFarron tells #TimesRadio that being religious can be a bar to serving in high public office. pic.twitter.com/fPQXCaxQt7

— Times Radio (@TimesRadio) February 21, 2023

"waaah you're being intolerant of my right to deny other people's right to exist"

really telling that these fucks never want to address that conundrum, never want to talk about how tolerance stops at the point where your beliefs seek to erase the human rights of others

partly because for every bigot using god as their rationale there's a bunch of non-religious bigots who also want to continue to challenge the idea that lgbtq+ people are fully human and deserving of rights

this is such a weird example for him to choose, as if someone running for the SNP leadership (or the Lib Dem leadership) self-identifying as a marxist would not be controversial, he could have made the same point with a less controversial thinker/book. It seems like the problem most people have with Forbes is her opposition to gay marriage and abortion rather than her religion per se, if she was an atheist would had come to those same positions by a different route I don't think this would play out too differently?

like, if she'd said 'I'm a Christian, and what I've learned from the bible informs my support for (policy popular with snp members/voters)' she'd be fine?

'atheist WHO had come to those same positions'

"waaah you're being intolerant of my right to deny other people's right to exist"

this is a wilful misrepresentation - they simply want to debate whether some other people should be allowed to exist

i apologise for my inflammatory rhetoric and agree that debate is the essence of civilised liberalism