like the queen this thread will never die: in which we ALL resign (ourselves to disgusting miseries to post-boris politics 2022)

we are always moaning about a lack of conviction politicians, now I don't want to see any more of them!

More convicted politicians please

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— Matt Hancock (@MattHancock) February 20, 2023

what's this guy do again?

yes, it is literally an incredible initiative matt.

genuinely impressed by the kate forbes' acceleration from zero to turbo-farron over the last 24 hours, fair play to her for refusing to present herself as anything other than a horrible bigot

so, surely everyone in the SNP upper ranks already knew she was a horrible bigot, and yet she's been portrayed a key member, one to watch, a political career on the rise etc. This tells me so much about who the SNP actually are as a party.

some of the worst English right-wing publications were already blowing so much smoke up her arse before she started talking. Lol, I'm just imagining some of the unsubstantial bollox they would be writing about her if they could still pretend she was actually quite progressive, under that hard 19th century religious zealot sheen

They had to choose someone once their heroine, Joanna Cherry, ruled herself out. I also saw a BBC intervier suggest Joanna Cherry as leader to a somewhat bemused SNP adviser who had to point out she's not even a member of the Scottish Parliament.

“It's okay for somebody who's a Marxist to bring what they've learned from Das Kapital into the room, but not to take what you believe from the Bible. That's nonsense, isn't it?”

Tim Farron with some Trumpian style perspective on Forbes, gosh what a dishonest + dim motherfucker. Any politician with even a moderately centre-left agenda will be attacked as a "Marxist" and much worse by the UK media, and he fucking knows it.

Typical Lib Dem cuntery.

It's because Das Kapital isn't made up, Tim.

also it doesn't matter what book "you believe" is telling you to deny rights to LGBQT+ people, the bad bit is the denying rights to LGBTQ+ people

Amazing Tim fucking Farron feels emboldened to crawl out of the woodwork. Remember when he missed a key Brexit vote to give a talk?

It seem that Tim Farron missed the Brexit vote because he was talking about gay sex again... https://t.co/ZCbZ1MzGBl

— Andrew Smith (@andrew_graeme) July 16, 2018

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FphlMSCWYAEnYi1?format=jpg&name=small

yeah i've seen him flapping his gums a lot this last week and fuck knows why

srsly the only national debate that should be happening is about criminalising politicians doing hate speech

Wow he’s actually even worse on this than the quote! Fuck off forever!

“It's okay for somebody who's a Marxist to bring what they've learned from Das Kapital into the room, but not to take what you believe from the Bible. That's nonsense, isn't it?”@TimFarron tells #TimesRadio that being religious can be a bar to serving in high public office. pic.twitter.com/fPQXCaxQt7

— Times Radio (@TimesRadio) February 21, 2023

"waaah you're being intolerant of my right to deny other people's right to exist"

really telling that these fucks never want to address that conundrum, never want to talk about how tolerance stops at the point where your beliefs seek to erase the human rights of others

partly because for every bigot using god as their rationale there's a bunch of non-religious bigots who also want to continue to challenge the idea that lgbtq+ people are fully human and deserving of rights

this is such a weird example for him to choose, as if someone running for the SNP leadership (or the Lib Dem leadership) self-identifying as a marxist would not be controversial, he could have made the same point with a less controversial thinker/book. It seems like the problem most people have with Forbes is her opposition to gay marriage and abortion rather than her religion per se, if she was an atheist would had come to those same positions by a different route I don't think this would play out too differently?

like, if she'd said 'I'm a Christian, and what I've learned from the bible informs my support for (policy popular with snp members/voters)' she'd be fine?

'atheist WHO had come to those same positions'

"waaah you're being intolerant of my right to deny other people's right to exist"

this is a wilful misrepresentation - they simply want to debate whether some other people should be allowed to exist

i apologise for my inflammatory rhetoric and agree that debate is the essence of civilised liberalism

it's what the Romans did, after all

they also considered abortion acceptable up to 1 year after childbirth nbd

he could have made the same point with a less controversial thinker/book.

Yes, but part of this is about dog whistling to those concerned about Cultural Marxism I'd venture.

He’s so sore about this, like he never got over being clowned on for being the leader of a supposed socially liberal party.

At least we got the greatest Twitter thread of all time out of it.

pic.twitter.com/fjD8z6J46L

— ian mighty (@iammightor) February 3, 2017

a good debate would be what levels of violent retaliation are morally permissible when sham democracy only offers other dangerous bad actor options - as not heard on The Moral Maze!

I have not really managed to learn anything from Das Kapital. It's very difficult to read.

I managed to read part of the Bible and it was advocating revolutionary social change.

the bible = a page turner

Das Kapital = nnnufff boring!!

bit too many begats in the Bible, gets a bit AD&D

Farron's entire argument is there isn't enough begatting in modern Britain

Farron should try actually reading some Marx and also The Bible, and while he's at it he should read some f'in Orwell

also as an ex "bands" type dickhead he should have taken on board some of the radicalism of The Manic Street Preachers ... lol

meanwhile

The Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC) concluded there was "credible suspicion" that Begum was trafficked to Syria for "sexual exploitation" and that there were "arguable breaches of duty" by state bodies in allowing her to travel to the country.

But Mr Justice May said in a summary that the existence of this suspicion was "insufficient" for her to succeed on arguments that the deprivation of her citizenship failed to respect her human rights, adding that given she was now in Syria, the home secretary was not compelled to facilitate her return nor stopped from using "deprivation powers".

"the fascist state is technically correct, the best kind of correct"

Shamima Begum’s loss of appeal is a gross miscarriage of justice against a girl who was groomed and traumatised, and a warning sign that the citizenship of diaspora groups is contingent on avoiding criminalisation. The mainstream media is complicit in this harm.

— Amardeep S Dhillon (@AmarDeepSinghD) February 22, 2023

Overturn this judgement and it makes it way more difficult to de-citizen the next vulnerable person the Tories* want to scapegoat!

* or, tbf, Labour

Tim’s intervention is salutary partly because it’s always good to be reminded of the last time a Lib Dem was caught actually believing in something but also it gives the lie to the argument (usually made semi jokingly) that at least they are being honest and owning their bigotry. They aren’t! They’re being incredibly disingenuous and dogwhistling and diverting!

I remember thinking at the time of the controversy about his own views that Farron's position seemed defensible - iirc the contention wasn't about his voting record on lgbt issues, which was unobjectionable, but on his personal beliefs about whether or not gay sex was a sin, and his argument was that politicians shouldn't legislate on personal morality, there was a distinction between politics and personal morality - this wasn't a contradiction of his liberal beliefs, because it was precisely his liberal beliefs than led him to the position that he shouldn't impose his own position on the sinfulness or otherwise of gay sex on other people - but Forbes's position is less defensible in that she says she would have voted against gay marriage if she had the chance, so she can't convincingly make this distinction between politics and personal morality

that’s a good point!

we're going to have to put up with a lot more of this kind of whinging and special pleading over the next few weeks

Secularism now means a ban on religious people in public life.

— Giles Fraser (@giles_fraser) February 21, 2023

arrested and thrown in jail merely for being a member of the Church of England/ Wee Free/ Manson Family [delete as applicable]

Secularism now means a ban on religious people in public life.

the marxist/das kapital thing was stupid but tbf to Farron if you watch the video he pushes against this position, points out that he and Forbes and Ian Blackford have all risen to prominent positions in public life while being open about their Christian beliefs

this is what Christ felt like

cancelled because he wasn't woke enough

starmer already on the defensive before he’s even delivered the speech ffs

https://i.imgur.com/nFIPEwS.jpg

oh christ, Rajan was quoting bits of it to him this morning - it's taking "nothing at all to see here" to new levels of tedium.

Starmer's defence was: it's our intent to deliver nothing at all that is important, it's neither here nor there if most ppl are going find the wording hollow and meaningless

Kieth: here are 5 big waffles, no syrup tho, we can't afford syrup

the Media: these new Labour waffles are certainly unlike any previous waffles we've ever seen and show a business-like new commitment to waffles from Labour

Kieth stans: these waffles are way better than the Tories' corrupt, dishonest waffles. you don't talk about syrup before an election, it would just give the Tories a chance to say bad stuff about your syrup, or worse still, to offer some syrup and fresh fruit too. did i mention i hate Tories? if you don't love plain waffles you're a Tory. EAT THE WAFFLES

re 'secularism debate':

seems to me the truth is the opposite of what Fraser says, in that it is forbidden to criticise anyone for their religious beliefs. Those are, indeed, 'sacrosanct', while 'political beliefs' are treated differently.

(Though all this is subject to the fact that most of the media talks garbage and has no consistent sense of principles anyway, mainly preferring to attack anti-racists for their notorious racism and so on.)