yesterday one of my trainees had to miss the afternoon because of an appointment, so I did the usual, gave them the materials they missed with specific instructions and told them in the morning, I'd teach them the transaction they didn't get to see. so I did that and between that and her self-reading, she was caught up.
We get to the next transaction in the lesson, and she says she needs to meet with her manager, disappears for an hour, and missed the whole demo. back to square one. hope that meeting was important boss man
― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 February 2023 15:53 (one year ago) link
and if I try to ping her manager, he's out of the office with no OOO message up and no backup listed, so I have no idea who she is talking to
― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 February 2023 16:01 (one year ago) link
Me & one of the other volunteers who worked in the same "department" with Missing Stair finally got to see Missing Stair's timesheets ... she had submitted them to board members who aren't really involved in that work, so they had no real way of determining whether the timesheets were some variety of bullshit. ... Missing Stair was supposed to submit timesheets/invoices on a weekly basis, but did not do so. We saw the timesheet/invoice for the first two weeks in December in mid-January, and the rest when she was asked to stop work last week.
― sarahell, Friday, 24 February 2023 16:13 (one year ago) link
oops that should read Me & one of the volunteers (I am a paid contractor).
― sarahell, Friday, 24 February 2023 16:14 (one year ago) link
Yikes. So sounds like they were knowingly grifting
― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 February 2023 16:15 (one year ago) link
idk! the thing is, they haven't been paid for any of their work ... and when I asked them about that, in a meeting with the board, they said, "there are other people ahead of me in line" ... like most grifters are doing it for the money and they are very efficient and focused when it comes to getting paid ... like the roof contractor who gave us a bid for skylights, which we paid for, and did not receive.
― sarahell, Friday, 24 February 2023 16:24 (one year ago) link
the board easily understood the roof contractor fraud (this was last year) -- we paid for a thing, we did not get the thing, we did not get our money back. Missing Stair is more complex, because the "deliverables" are not as concrete and clear as "skylights".
― sarahell, Friday, 24 February 2023 16:26 (one year ago) link
missing stairs and missing skylights
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 24 February 2023 16:38 (one year ago) link
there's a lot wrong with this place ...
― sarahell, Friday, 24 February 2023 16:45 (one year ago) link
My place just decreed five minutes ago that we can't have open season PTO during the holidays anymore, it'll be more of a lottery system for dates around holidays.
To be clear, we already get Thanksgiving (and the day after), Christmas,and New Years off for the entire company. And it definitely did suck last year the week where I was the only one in the office.
But they've said they want us to take our PTO earlier, and yet they also tell us each year to limit or not take PTO between August - October during Open Enrollment.
I earn 25 days a year of PTO, and they already have me scheduled for shit months out, so I'm like...uhh I'd this is what you want, I'm going to have to take PTO during weeks you scheduled me to do things.
― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 February 2023 17:00 (one year ago) link
I resent though more that this is coming from other leaders demanding we be here even though almost nobody in customer care management works in December
ugh that sucks!
― sarahell, Friday, 24 February 2023 17:02 (one year ago) link
Ima take a two week vacay I think lmao
― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 February 2023 17:28 (one year ago) link
have now lined up two weeks of vacay spread out on various weeks through May, woohoo. eat it dorks.
― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 February 2023 19:32 (one year ago) link
hey dude, you ask me when the next scheduled training is every month. I give you the calendar link that shows it every month.
and you ask again every time.
why?
(hear that in Annie Lennox voice)
― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 17:37 (one year ago) link
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 17:39 (one year ago) link
we don't beat anybody we just give 25% off coupons to Magic games
― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 14:52 (one year ago) link
if the infraction is severe the tickets are free
my trainer: so here's the new way you log into the console
2 trainees: oh we don't use that console, we use XX app instead
me: uhh hey this isn't in our requirements, you have two users who still use XX app?
managers: yeah, they support Team A and Team B on XX app
me: but Team A moved off of XX app last month. how are they still using it?
managers: HEY LOOK OVER THERE, BALTHAZAR GETTY IS GETTING A HAIRCUT
me: look over where, this is an email
― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 14:55 (one year ago) link
lol they've been logged into profiles on a platform that was decommissioned last month ,so they can't receive any inbound calls on it. they probably just assumed it wasn't busy.
― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 15:27 (one year ago) link
older coworker and I were having internet connectivity issues. While mine was on the fritz he goes “hey I just sent you something on Microsoft Teams, let me know if you get it.”
Once I get my issues I see the message he sent: “Fuck off”
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 19:58 (one year ago) link
lol
― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 20:06 (one year ago) link
my co-worker's uncle got mentioned on an ILM thread ...
― sarahell, Thursday, 2 March 2023 08:18 (one year ago) link
this is the "i know more important and influential people than you" co-worker
― sarahell, Thursday, 2 March 2023 08:32 (one year ago) link
weird factoid - years ago I found out Dan Perry and I worked for the same company and almost pinged him when I realized that if I did id be the stupid, annoying co-worker.
― But who are we doing it versus? (sunny successor), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 00:59 (one year ago) link
we typically double up two instructors to a class here, so that if one person goes down, they have a backup. Typically we don't replace that person for the day unless it's 15+ people.
today, one of our instructors had to leave early due to an emergency, and instead of just telling the other instructor they'd be finishing the last last 2 hours solo, the supervisor began panicking and begging the team chat for someone to help take over.
Gee, Mr Supervisor, which makes more sense, letting the person who's been with the class all week finish, while you keep an eye on the class, or introducing a complete stranger to the class on the final day of training, who has had no time to prepare?
(fortunately they couldn't ask me - I'm taking dad to one of his checkups...booyah!)
― hootenanny-soundtracking clusterfucks about milking cows (Neanderthal), Friday, 10 March 2023 19:30 (one year ago) link
i kind of need a sanity check / other povs on this.
i opt out of all work-related celebrations. i DO NOT share my birthday on the work calendar. i don't do treats in the break room. i don't go to retirement parties. i will avoid xmas parties if at all possible. and i don't care how it makes me look. i get paid to show up, none of these people are my friends, i don't want to relate to coworkers outside of work, my career 'ambitions' are miniscule compared to my desire to avoid awkward small talk or field happy birthdays from people i dislike. am i too much of an asshole here? should i pick one of these things to just do? i will sign a card if it's handed to me, but that's about it. thank you in advance for your thoughts.
― ꙮ (map), Monday, 20 March 2023 18:01 (one year ago) link
I think these are quite small things and I get what you’re saying, that you’re not there to make friends, but stuff tends to be better when you do opt in to some of this stuff, doing otherwise makes things unnecessarily difficult ime
― limb tins & cum (gyac), Monday, 20 March 2023 18:06 (one year ago) link
You're obviously ok with them knowing you dislike them so you must be ok with them disliking you back. Are you trying to show them how much of their reciprocal dislike you can take and still stand strong?
Is the mutual-dislike thing a dance or some other sort of performance that benefits you all? Everybody gets to say "whew at least I'm not THAT person" and pat themselves on the back.
Being pleasant with people I wouldn't otherwise spend time with occasionally lets me in close enough to undermine their bullshit with a smile but mostly I don't let them live in my head.
― The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Monday, 20 March 2023 18:15 (one year ago) link
Yes, much better way of putting it. It’s more energy!
― limb tins & cum (gyac), Monday, 20 March 2023 18:17 (one year ago) link
it's kinda unclear whether it's an issue of active dislike and more of a chill apathy? It depends on the culture of the workplace imo. There are some places where keeping to yourself and not participating really makes people think you're a dick, and others where, there are enough other people with stuff going on in their lives that it's less of a deal?
― sarahell, Monday, 20 March 2023 18:22 (one year ago) link
like perhaps you could just be the motherfucker with dark secrets and peacefully coexist while still maintaining your distance.
― sarahell, Monday, 20 March 2023 18:24 (one year ago) link
thanks. sorry i was being dramatic and over-generalizing - i don't dislike everyone at work & i'm actually pretty friendly with two or three people. the first year or so i was maybe more 'let's be friends' until i realized that just wasn't going to work for me, we didn't have very much in common, etc. we're still friendly though. the people i do dislike i'm absolutely ok with them disliking me back. group things are difficult for me (social anxiety).
lol this is interesting. i don't think so? i think there is at least one other person who fills that role more prominently than i do. also i've had feedback from two-three people that i'm very nice and personable (these people don't strike me as super genuine but w/e). so maybe skipping social stuff isn't having that much of an effect.
i'm considering going to the weekly friday morning coffee thing once in a while. but that's a wfh day for me and when push comes to shove it's really hard to get me out of my slippers on a friday morning lol.
thanks for answering when i guess i have no intention to significantly change what i'm doing lol.
― ꙮ (map), Monday, 20 March 2023 18:31 (one year ago) link
and my workplace is full of introverts and people who keep to themselves so i guess this is relatively Not A Problem now that i think about it. maybe just some ambient anxiety about coming across as gloomy - my partner told me the other day that i'm on the cloudy side when i asked him if i came across as dour or not, which is absolutely true and fair and made me lol.
― ꙮ (map), Monday, 20 March 2023 18:37 (one year ago) link
I've got nothing much useful to say beyond I wish I could put a value on the hours I've spent a) manoeuvring and navigating around this shit and ii) worrying about the previous and future manoeuvrings and navigations to do with this shit. If you're good as you are, crack on!
Also, manoeuvring is a vowel-greedy prick of a word to spell.
― Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 20 March 2023 19:31 (one year ago) link
I don't interact out of work with anybody I work with. I don't give out my phone number to anyone I work with either and beyond a 'have a nice day off' or 'did you have a nice day off' I don't really converse with anyone at work. it seems fine to me, tho I work retail rather than in an office and a lot of the shift is in a single staffed shop or going from shop to shop replenning. mind you I am v v bad a interacting with people in general and even a customers generic 'how are you today?' when said to me makes me uncomfortable to the point where I don't answer and instead ask them if they need a bag with their purchase.
― oscar bravo, Monday, 20 March 2023 20:49 (one year ago) link
I've worked several places where I've said out loud there's no fucking way I'm spending any of of my free time with you people. Super fortunate now to work with folks I genuinely enjoy being around but thankfully the company culture doesn't expect people to spend free time in company activities.
― Jaq, Monday, 20 March 2023 21:22 (one year ago) link
Depends on the workplace and the people but I feel like everyone workplace has at least one perfectly decent person who Just Doesn't Do That Stuff socially with colleagues. Once that's accepted I think it's ok. It's the pushback on it that can cause the friction and/or any impression that you're doing it to express your dislike. "Treats in the break room" might be the only thing I'm not sure about as not really sure what that is other than bringing stuff in for people to eat at their leisure? In which case it's fine not to do?
My workplaces usually if it's your birthday you bring in treats and no-one really makes a big deal other than asking if you're doing anything nice. I tend to work in introverted places though.
― kinder, Monday, 20 March 2023 22:05 (one year ago) link
I am fortunate in that I like most of my colleagues and a few of them are close friends. If I didn't want to be around the people I worked with, I would probably look elsewhere.
That said, no one should feel pressure or anxiety about showing up for work shit like "Hawaiian Shirt Day."
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 20 March 2023 22:14 (one year ago) link
I'm a lawyer, so most of my co-workers are anything but introverted.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 20 March 2023 22:16 (one year ago) link
There is nothing sadder than seeing someone hang out with people they work with outside of work. I will never spend an unpaid minute with a coworker.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 00:33 (one year ago) link
When I was a magazine editor I would occasionally attend concerts with one co-worker or another. I took a guy to see Iron Maiden, and another guy came with me to see Bob Seger.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 01:12 (one year ago) link
I have seen past coworkers socially. It can happen. Cripes this chat is depressing.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 01:16 (one year ago) link
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, March 20, 2023 8:33 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
this is a completely insane post although i am ultimately tilted more toward the map position in this conversation--i have never sought to have friendships or meaningful relationships with coworkers and have dodged my share of social events. but i've also gone to my share of social events, it's a matter of finding a balance and realizing that some of these things are low stakes and can generate some good will in exchange for a couple hours of your time.
if you want to opt out of all this stuff i would advise being super friendly and accessible during work hours so you have some plausible deniability as being a nice person who "just doesn't go to those things"
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 02:02 (one year ago) link
I met one of my all time best friends at my job 18 years ago.
― hootenanny-soundtracking clusterfucks about milking cows (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 02:45 (one year ago) link
Regarding socializing, it's kind of moot being that my team is all virtual but when I was office bound, I went to some get-togethers, didn't go to others. Wasn't something I thought a lot about, we didn't have em often.
Lived with one of my former coworkers, but I knew him from theatre before he got hired.
Co-workers all being each other's best friends is a big thing in restaurants and bars though
― hootenanny-soundtracking clusterfucks about milking cows (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 02:51 (one year ago) link
I was close with a lot of my coworkers in the art handling business. I think some jobs are so specialized that they draw a certain type of person together that would often not find each other out in the wild. People not in that job/experience get seen as civilians, or outsiders. We all liked art and music more than the Regular People we ran into outside of work.
Now that I'm in a different city and not working, I don't know how to find people. My wife keeps trying to get me to go to book clubs and things to socialize but it feels weird and I'm resistant.
― Cow_Art, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 03:05 (one year ago) link
am i too much of an asshole here?
if this is what works for you, then you are totally justified in doing it that way. just realize that people will notice. but their noticing won't matter so long as you are reasonably cordial, competent and helpful in all the aspects of your job that really matter most to your co-workers. no one resents a co-worker who always delivers what they are paid to deliver and is moderately agreeable in the process. the rest is just hoo-hah that barely matters in reality.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 03:12 (one year ago) link
I think I’ve hit all the coworker interaction points from socialization with them when I had absolutely nothing in common to feeling like I have social peers. The weird part is feeling awkward at the latter because the concerted effort to appease or avoid exists when you might just have a possible friend
― mh, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 04:10 (one year ago) link
Just to give a counterpoint: I don't really give a shit about most of the work I've done in the past, or the places I've worked (teaching is different, a bit), but I do remember the people I worked with. Often, it's the only thing that got me through.
― Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 08:19 (one year ago) link