and it's not even Follow Friday
― dicbo=v2-ubswizzb&hrt (stevie), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 17:23 (one year ago) link
You're only arrested if you're indicted and don't voluntarily surrender.
It's going to be hard for him to claim victory if he voluntarily surrenders, even though he obviously won't be detained and won't be perp walked.
― hootenanny-soundtracking clusterfucks about milking cows (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 17:37 (one year ago) link
Trump being perp-walked in cuffs is a delicious fantasy but it will forever remain just that, a fantasy.
He only brings up the possibility so that he can boast about it not happening
― carne asana (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 17:39 (one year ago) link
so tired of this. nothing is going to happen. we're going to get a statement later this week or early next week, stating that they have decided to not indict him after all. this guy will never see a single legal consequence for any of this. stop fantasizing people.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 17:41 (one year ago) link
Crowd of 300+ has gathered in the east village with police presence but someone said it’s for a sneaker giveaway…
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 17:44 (one year ago) link
I do wonder to what extent repeatedly declaring, with doubtless justified cynicism, this won't happen helps reinforce the unlikelihood that it will happen.
― dicbo=v2-ubswizzb&hrt (stevie), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 17:47 (one year ago) link
i like the ai photo of trump running away from the cops because, due to the situation, it implies he went to the DA office to turn himself in and then got cold feet and darted across the street
― treeship., Tuesday, 21 March 2023 17:52 (one year ago) link
of course he's not going to be perp walked, nobody ever suggested he was. powerful people are never perp-walked unless they do an OJ Simpson type escape.
― hootenanny-soundtracking clusterfucks about milking cows (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 17:53 (one year ago) link
he's not even going to be arrested, ever.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 17:53 (one year ago) link
if everyone wants to keep reading the tea leaves of today to suggest the indictment isn't going to happen because it doesn't happen on the day that only Trump himself said it was going to happen and nobody else did, well....
― hootenanny-soundtracking clusterfucks about milking cows (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 17:54 (one year ago) link
this was a good way for trump to turn the spotlight back on himself though, which is his favorite place for it to be. good work trump.
― treeship., Tuesday, 21 March 2023 17:55 (one year ago) link
seriously, the doom posts are really unnecessary
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 17:57 (one year ago) link
otm
― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 17:57 (one year ago) link
you say doom posts, i say dose of realism. but, whatever.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 17:57 (one year ago) link
I've noticed that the future is always somewhat uncertain until it arrives.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 17:58 (one year ago) link
i think he could still get arrested, for this or something else. he is different from other presidents in many ways so what happened to say, nixon, isn't a precedent.
― treeship., Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:01 (one year ago) link
I really don't see how "nothing will happen" is realism when all signs seem to be pointing towards an indictment
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:06 (one year ago) link
nothing will happen until something happens
― dicbo=v2-ubswizzb&hrt (stevie), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:07 (one year ago) link
is how i break it down to an extent
i mean i remember 2016 when this noxious fart was never going to win the election/the candidacy/etc etc
something will happen and it will be nothing
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:07 (one year ago) link
but maybe someone will turn that nothing into something
― dicbo=v2-ubswizzb&hrt (stevie), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link
but also maybe not
i like the ai photo of trump running away from the cops because, due to the situation, it implies he went to the DA office to turn himself in and then got cold feet and darted across the street can run
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link
but does the doubtless earned cynicism not translate into adverse force against the possibility of something happening?
Whatever happens, happens.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:12 (one year ago) link
can the subaltern tweet
― hootenanny-soundtracking clusterfucks about milking cows (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:12 (one year ago) link
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, March 21, 2023 1:06 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
all signs have been pointing towards all sorts of bad shit happening to Trump the last 6 years, it never does
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:14 (one year ago) link
re no president ever seeing judgement for what theyve done i do think trump uniquely violated the compact of the position he didnt play the game how youre supposed to which maybe leaves him vulnerable in a way the other presidents arent, he still obvs has a huge special safety net but its maybe not totally failsafe like it wouldve been if he hadnt been out there just doing whatever
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:15 (one year ago) link
for instance multiple criminal investigations of an ex pres is not something thats happened before or at least not in modern times
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:20 (one year ago) link
It would have happened with Nixon but for the pardon.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:21 (one year ago) link
idk this just feels like the sort of situation where decisions have to be made up and down a bunch of channels and when you run into a Trump/Republican loyalist things will just die on the vine
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:25 (one year ago) link
that's the spirit
― dicbo=v2-ubswizzb&hrt (stevie), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:26 (one year ago) link
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, March 21, 2023 2:21 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
maybe who knows but they took care of it, regardless trump doesnt have that luxury
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:27 (one year ago) link
my question is why are all these defeatist voices showing up today, when the only source of the exact day of the supposed indictment was Trump himself. we believe him now?
like, he wasn't the source that an indictment was going to happen. he was the source that stipulated it'd happen on Tuesday.
― hootenanny-soundtracking clusterfucks about milking cows (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:28 (one year ago) link
like Trump adopting such an abrasive, unlikeable persona really paid off. his supporters/sycophants can just say "you're only doing this because you hate him!" and it's not totally false. people do really fucking hate him. and not in the same way they hated Dubya
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:29 (one year ago) link
my question is why are all these defeatist voices showing up today
hey now I've been camp "nothing important will happen" for a while
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:30 (one year ago) link
The only consequence he is likely to face is his own death, which I hope will be protracted and full of suffering.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:33 (one year ago) link
like the more realistic reaction here is, he will be indicted, but the charges won't be that heavy, and he's not going to serve any time for these particular charges, but probably pay some huge fine or something.
other charges in the pipeline are more serious, but dude isn't like going to be lifting weights in prison any time soon.
― hootenanny-soundtracking clusterfucks about milking cows (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:33 (one year ago) link
indicting him seems pretty doable from where we are now, bringing home a conviction tho idk an actual trump criminal trial would be such a shitstorm lol, mb theyll let him plead out for a slap on the wrist go home with a conviction of a president in their pocket
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:36 (one year ago) link
The main thing I'm tracking is that the only establishment people out there talking about an indictment being political or divisive are GOP ghouls whose jobs depend upon Trump's fortunes. Are there centrist columnists decrying the arrest of a former President? I don't know. Seems like if he was really going to avoid indictment here there'd be all these retired politicians talking about decency and moderation.
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:36 (one year ago) link
Stevie, you appear to be ascribing power to people who have exactly zero amount of power
Like, there is utterly no way my posting "it won't happen" on ILX has any bearing on what does or doesn't happen in the world.
And: being indicted (which is actually possible, even likely) is not the same thing as being arrested (which is what Trump claimed).
I maintain that the only reason he said he would be "arrested" is so that he can claim victory when it does not happen. He has preemptively cast anything short of a cuffed perp-walk as a victory.
It is the most rudimentary PR: manage expectations such that you can spin things so that you look like a winner no matter what happens.
― carne asana (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:37 (one year ago) link
i mean yea, it definitely seems more likely that he will than he wont, but even still it seems meaningless. he'll pay a 50k fine and fundraise 500k off the persecution complex
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:37 (one year ago) link
Let's all show decency and moderation toward the man who took large dumps on the national rug.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:38 (one year ago) link
how much money do u think his followers have left
― hootenanny-soundtracking clusterfucks about milking cows (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:38 (one year ago) link
They haven't maxed out their credit cards yet . . . unless they didn't uncheck that little "automatically renew" box.
I'm sure whatever happened was his attorneys told him he was likely to be indicted between Monday and Wednesday, and Trump, being a complete moron, jumped to the conclusion that he was being arrested on Tuesday. Because of course he doesn't know the difference between an arrest and an indictment, or an arrest and coming in for arraignment. And yeah, assuming the pending charges are what we assume them to be, they're pretty minor, in the scheme of things, and will not result in any significant punishment. But the stuff down the line (Georgia and classified docs) could, as could the fraud case in progress, as could the Jean Carroll case, as could etc.. He'll never see the inside of a a cell, but this deep pile of prosecutions isn't doing him any favors.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:41 (one year ago) link
― limb tins & cum (gyac), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:46 (one year ago) link
this deep pile of prosecutions isn't doing him any favors
I dunno, seems like a lot of people were trying to forget him and move past him. Including people who voted for him twice.
Him being prosecuted / persecuted puts him back in the headlines, which is where he wants to be. The MAGAheads (who might have drifted into irrelevance) are all fired up again, due to the lawfare against their orange god.
― carne asana (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:48 (one year ago) link
he doesn't know the difference between an arrest and an indictment, or an arrest and coming in for arraignment
Josh otm. His red-hat brigade knows even less about how the world works. Hence, a PR coup for the Donald no matter what happens. Or doesn't happen.
― carne asana (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 18:51 (one year ago) link