Alvin’s been like this since college
― castanuts (DJP), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 20:26 (one year ago) link
The right guy at the right time.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 20:26 (one year ago) link
no conspiracy charge some sort of misunderstanding apparently
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 20:30 (one year ago) link
Get the door yourself, chump
The court officers very much did not hold the door for Trump when he walked past the pool cameras pic.twitter.com/XvSlxjM8Qz— Peter Stevenson (@PeterStevenson) April 4, 2023
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 21:03 (one year ago) link
love it
― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 21:05 (one year ago) link
Incoming tweetstorm: "The door thing was big - a thread"
― But his face would not turn into hot Kirby (Evan), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 21:06 (one year ago) link
those cops probably have electrical and drywall contractors in the family that were stiffed by Trump & Co. years ago
Nowhere is he despised more than in his own hometown
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 21:09 (one year ago) link
I tend to think NYC cops are the only ones who have reason to dislike him.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 21:15 (one year ago) link
I'm putting together a screenplay about those cops. It practically writes itself
― But his face would not turn into hot Kirby (Evan), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 21:19 (one year ago) link
Title THE SNUB
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 21:20 (one year ago) link
In the criminal justice system, crims committed by people with stupid hairdos are considered especially heinous.
DON DON
― she loves me like a rock lobster (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 21:21 (one year ago) link
ACAB: All Cops Are Bad (At Door Etiquette)
DING (DON)G! Who's Hair? Don't Ding Don During Door Duty Dammit (riveting 6 episode docuseries)
― But his face would not turn into hot Kirby (Evan), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 21:30 (one year ago) link
lol @ Trump scowling about having to touch a door for the first time in decades
― Beautiful Bean Footage Fetishist (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 21:43 (one year ago) link
Jonathan Chait's fetish for being told "Jesus, will you just fuck off?" remains as strong as ever...
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 22:04 (one year ago) link
I assumed all the extremely fat white cops shown on TV were Proud Boys or Proud Boy adjacent. I doubt those pigs have anything but love for Trump.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 22:15 (one year ago) link
ugh, unperson, by renaming your link you tricked me into opening NY Mag, which allows very few free articles, and which I'm not going to pay for, just to read this chud
― Dan S, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 22:21 (one year ago) link
bringing up the Comey stuff is dumb as shit, nobody had a problem with the email thing getting a thorough investigation, the problem was that he did it with literally 10 days to go, singlehandedly swinging the polls enough to let Trump squeak by. had we all known about the Stormy Daniels thing back then who knows? obviously Trump voters will stomach pretty much anything but a swing of like 0.2% is I think all it would've took.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 22:22 (one year ago) link
stormy could have spoken up any time she wanted to.
― Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 22:31 (one year ago) link
Always, always, always right-click links and select "Open in incognito browser window". Always.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 22:32 (one year ago) link
Ken "Popehat" White is apparently unimpressed with the indictment, he usually has a solid legal read on this stuff
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 22:34 (one year ago) link
Thus, she was under an NDA, aka DJT's favorite three letter acronym.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 22:35 (one year ago) link
Fwiw I’ve heard a lot of legal guys say this investigation was kinda weak, but that he may be fucked on the GA and classified docs ones
― frogbs, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 22:39 (one year ago) link
To be fair to chait, if some conservative district was bringing similar charges against obama, i’d find it suspicious. It is an odd legal theory to make these felonies. (Obama is not an adulterer, I understand, but if he was).
― treeship., Tuesday, 4 April 2023 22:41 (one year ago) link
I'm not sure I agree, the instantaneous analysis of this by 'legal experts' on CNN, MSNBC etc. is what seems really weak, and it looks clear from his press conference that he knows what he's doing and has got a bigger case than they think he does. I don't know how the process works and Bragg didn't lay it all out in the indictments which are bare bones, but he seems to think there is ample evidence there was an ongoing conspiracy to falsify campaign records to influence an election
― Dan S, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 22:50 (one year ago) link
Whatever the case, it's gonna be a long time before this goes to trial, so I'm going to forget about this by, oh, thursday or friday as will everyone else
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 22:54 (one year ago) link
lawyers I'm hanging with suggest the same, that these charges should not have been brought, probably, but the looming charges are less easy to dismiss.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 22:57 (one year ago) link
The strength of Bragg's case is that it doesn't hinge on a vaguely worded law and he has credible witnesses. The easiest part is that the statements were provably false. Beyond that they believe they can bring credible witnesses who will speak to his knowledge of their falsity, his intent to deceive, his motive for deception, and his knowledge of the illegality of that deception. If they convince a jury these are the simple facts of the case, then the legal requirements of the law would compel a guilty verdict.
It all has to go to trial first, though. That's ages away.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 23:08 (one year ago) link
xp yes the federal and georgia charges do not seem like small potatoes to me. with this case i don’t understand how it is different from what john edwards was acquitted of but then again I am not a lawyer, just a humble poster
― treeship., Tuesday, 4 April 2023 23:25 (one year ago) link
love this (from the Guardian):
As Trump was in court, pleading not guilty to the charges, his supporters had started to drift away from their protest area. The more buttoned-down supporters – the types who will wear a hat, but can’t be bothered carrying a flag, seemed to leave first, leaving behind an assortment of kooks and weirdos who contributed to a slightly surreal atmosphere.
One woman kept saying the United Nations building, about three miles to the north, was the “Synagogue of Satan”. A man tried, in vain, to get a rather convoluted chant about gender pronouns going.
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 23:34 (one year ago) link
I don't understand why we give a shit how small fry this indictment is. Goddamn, people: celebrate it! Then get involved.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 23:36 (one year ago) link
yeah - salad comes before dinnerthis is just the opening course
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 23:39 (one year ago) link
so if trump went to prison would the secret service have to protect him there
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 23:49 (one year ago) link
no, he'd have to join a gang of other disgraced financiers out in the yard
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 23:51 (one year ago) link
lol mookieproof, good question
― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 23:53 (one year ago) link
I don’t think the indictment is ‘an odd legal theory’ or ‘small potatoes’ or that it ‘should not have been brought’, I think that that is just rhetoric we accept from lawyers
and lawyers in my experience are brainwashed by law school and in some sense are the most naive people I've ever met
― Dan S, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 00:02 (one year ago) link
hence why ever hack SCOTUS justice gets "brilliant" modifying their names.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 00:03 (one year ago) link
Have any of his supporters argued that what he did was not illegal? Anyway, it really doesn't matter if it's small or big potatoes. This is our legal system. Godspeed, you big asshole, this is what often happens when you do crimes, you get charged with criminality and get a chance to defend yourself.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 00:32 (one year ago) link
Yeah if you don't want to be in criminal court being charged with crimes, maybe don't do so much criming like a crimey criminal all the flippin time.
― she loves me like a rock lobster (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 00:35 (one year ago) link
xp ok but you just posted your lawyer friends were saying charges should not have been brought
― Dan S, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 00:38 (one year ago) link
I'm not sure that naivety is an accurate descriptor. For a prosecutor, the question about whether to charge always has to include the questions, Can I get a conviction? And will it be sustained on appeal? I think many lawyers, with reason, question whether charging a former president with what is usually a misdemeanor, bootstrapped here into a felony, is a good idea.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 00:41 (one year ago) link
this just happens to be the opening salvo because it's the oldest of the myriad crimes iirc? I'll take it.
― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 00:42 (one year ago) link
Without doubt, the Georgia and federal cases are much more serious.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 00:43 (one year ago) link
A classic of the genre
Donald Trump during his arraignment. Courtroom sketch by 🎨 Jane Rosenberg pic.twitter.com/DdfXkHhnUA— Reuters Pictures (@reuterspictures) April 4, 2023
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 00:47 (one year ago) link
Yeah, lawyer friends were just thinking lawyer strategy. There are more crimes than there are charges and trials, because prosecutors pick and choose which to pursue (or so I was told). If this were the only case it would seem desperate, but it's not, and Trump's I presume live in progress outrage I imagine is disproportionately focused on today and not the tougher stuff in store.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 00:49 (one year ago) link
one thing about this indictment is someone has already gone to prison for the crime and that person is a prosecution witness, so in that sense i could see a prosecutor thinking it was a pretty good choice, whether its politically a good choice idk maybe they dont care
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 00:50 (one year ago) link
Cohen was convicted in federal court for tax evasion, making a false statement to a financial institution, excessive campaign contributions and other federal crimes. He was also convicted of perjury in his Congressional testimony. So, crimes arising out of the same set of facts, but different crimes in different court.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 00:54 (one year ago) link
that argument actually resonated with the same lawyer friends.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 00:58 (one year ago) link
people are saying its small beans but you gotta think that regardless the size of the beans the prosecutions gotta think they have a very strong case here
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 01:00 (one year ago) link
The news here this morning was showing some pro-Trump campaign nutter speculating that all this will just whoosh him right into the white house in '24.
Which leads me to ask - please don't tell me your country allows felons, or those with felonies hanging over them, to be president. My bf says "they'll allow a president from jail if they could" but surely that isnt right please tell me that isn't right.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 01:00 (one year ago) link
well weve never actually elected a felon
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 01:01 (one year ago) link