Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

that is the shit of nightmares, why I frantically tell one of my close friends to avoid engaging other psychotic people in situations where it's best avoided (i.e. road rage)

and yet...what could this family have done, just allowed it to continue?

…

Terrible

It just hit me that there was a baby sleeping in the house and the youngest victim was 8 years old. I guess the only worse thought would be the alternative.

somehow even scarier than your standard mass shooting, knowing he wasn't even planning it, it was merely a guy with a gun being told he couldn't do something

I always wonder how much alcohol plays a role in these things, seems like it’s rarely mentioned but pretty likely to be involved

Enough is enough. There is no reason for citizens to own guns like this.

K3vin I can confidently assure you that have consumed quite a lot of alcohol. As much as, if not more than, most extant humans.

But for some reason I have not shot anybody. Including myself. Maybe the reason is that I don't have a fucking arsenal of lethal weapons in my house? Just guessing here. Perhaps there is another reason.

that’s good…

Alcohol can play a role in violence but to YMP's point it should be easier in society to stop people from possessing deadly weapons than to stop them from drinking

I definitely can remember a time or two where I was more aggressive when intoxicated.

I am not violent and haven't been in a fight since high school but the few times it almost happened alcohol was involved at an egregious level.

Though one could argue one is equally likely to just become disoriented

I am, I think, on record as unabashedly loving both booze and weed. There is an approximately 100% chance that my bloodstream will be contaminated in one way or another this very evening.

Why do I keep not killing anybody? Oh, that's right, because I don't think it's necessary for me (or, indeed, most normal humans) to have deadly weaponry sitting about the house.

Even in the end-times Mad Max apocalypse scenarios some folks have postulated upthread, I'd probably rather be a casualty than a participant.

I don't think anyone has suggested that alcohol is the cause of violent behavior, YMP. But alcohol definitely can erase inhibitions and bring buried anger to the surface. Even then, I think we all understand that in the absence of a loaded firearm, it would be impossible to express that inchoate rage by shooting people.

yep

There are plenty of people who own firearms that get wasted, and don't ... you know

The thing about guns is that you can use them so quickly. Especially if you're someone used to firing your gun. It's much easier for people who are drunk or high to act on a moment's violent or suicidal impulse when they have a gun on them.

It's just so fucking fucked and upsets me so much.

What makes me angry, rather than just sad, is that this horrific event - one more in an endless series - won’t change a fucking thing.

The Tree of Liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of grade school children.

Ziggy enablement

btw, here's one basic yardstick of the "shooting spree" thread: show all messages (7711 of them)

An even better yardstick is scrolling through the thread to see how much time passes between revives.

Sadly yes :(

This is obviously what the founding fathers wanted. Liberty means nothing if it’s not accompanied by the senseless deaths of random children.

I’ve announced a $50K reward for info on the criminal who killed 5 illegal immigrants Friday. Also directed #OperationLoneStar to be on the lookout.

I continue working with state & local officials to ensure all available resources are deployed to respond. pic.twitter.com/SpkUgKqKGe

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) April 30, 2023

What a piece of shit

God didn't smite him hard enough.

Fuck that guy

Presume 'info on' is a mistake

Sunday in Mojave, California. 4 dead, shooter at large. Mojave is a low-income town with drug problems, and this happened at a popular drug use spot, per the article.

https://www.tehachapinews.com/news/mojave-reels-from-mass-shooting-that-left-4-dead-no-arrests-made/article_2e1d0380-e8b3-11ed-9718-576f0260d501.html

This thing in Oklahoma with the missing teenagers sure as hell looks like a mass shooting, but they're not calling it one yet

it's a really weird story, i can't get a handle on it

Sounds like a mass shooting/suicide, though unclear how the two teenage girls factored into it. Obviously terrible whatever the story is.

The fuck (Chicago centric, but on topic)

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=811692900321795&set=a.222417455916012&type=3&wtsid=rdr_0dK6ljRMSX1OyaYv5

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/03/pupil-arrested-after-nine-killed-in-belgrade-school-shooting

Horrible

It seems like what happened in Oklahoma was definitely a mass shooting, but maybe they're trying to suppress that part of the story? IDK because maybe it fits too neatly into the Libs' tiresome narrative about how guns are super dangerous and are used in mass shootings every couple of days?

Active shooter situation in ATL.

Definitely bleak as to the frequency of these kicks up, a few more years and we'll be to the point where there is just a constant state of ongoing active shooters somewhere in the country at all times.

I fucking hate this country with every fiber of my being.

As someone pointed out up thread, gun violence in the US resembles an electoral map - the red states with more lax (or nonexistent) gun laws have WAAYYY more gun violence than the blue states with at least a modicum of sensible restrictions

Not a spree, but just as weird and miserable.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/illinois-man-59-fatally-shot-neighbor-using-leaf-blower-yard-officials-rcna81945

leaf blower rage is a thing

Behold the NYT coverage:

A 30-year-old man died on the subway on Monday after he was placed in a chokehold, the police said. Witnesses said the victim had been acting in a “hostile and erratic manner” toward passengers on the train when the other man, 24, moved to restrain him. https://t.co/7DhtyFaXIj

— The New York Times (@nytimes) May 2, 2023

leaf blower rage is a thing

It's a good thing my cat doesn't have a gun when the neighbour does this.

Yeah surprised we aren’t talking more about Marine Todd straight up murdering a guy for being loud and annoying and getting away with it.

starting to seem like people having guns readily available actually does make them more likely to murder others

Fucking funny* how that works out.

Absolutely not "fucking funny" in the least.

(parody 2A advocate voice: well if you can kill someone by putting your knee on their neck well maybe we should ban knees.

If you can kill someone by throwing a rock let's ban rocks, or, failing that, make them use bags that only hold 11 rocks instead of 20 rocks

If you can kill someone by hanging them from a rope then why don't we ban ropes)

The discussion is immediately poisoned by the utterly horrible information landscape in which we live in

Another mass shooting in Serbia, two days after the last one. Serbia has the fifth highest, per capita, gun ownership figures in the world - though it's only really the USA and Yemen, of major nations, that are higher.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/05/serbia-eight-killed-in-second-mass-shooting-in-days-with-attacker-on-the-run

The now-deleted tweet from the AP, something like "while some are calling the subway killing a homicide, others view it as a 'defense against disorder'" really made me feel like garbage. I try to be sanguine about the changes at Twitter because it's all so dumb, but the effect of having a wall of blue-check dipshits defending the most monstrous behavior (unless the perpetrator happens to be black or queer or have green hair or something) before you can see any reply containing the least bit of humanity - it's bad!

xpost the Serbia incident has absolutely caused shockwaves here. We'd never had anything close to a school shooting before, even with the head-spinning gun ownership figures Tom D quoted.

Then on Wednesday a 13-year old boy from a prestige elementary school in Belgrade, straight A student and son of a renowned doctor, brought his dad's pistol with extra clips as well as four homemade explosive devices, to school, firing 57 times and killing seven girls, one boy, and the school security guard; wounding many more children and one teacher. He had a list of targets and a hand drawn map of the school, moving steadily between classrooms. The history teacher he shot was the one who gave him an F the previous week. One of the deceased was his school crush. It's so textbook, I can't believe it's happened in this part of the world. The kid is too young to be prosecuted under current laws, which are swiftly being redrawn.

And in the following 36 hours already there have been several more verbal threats of repeat incidents; one premeditated stabbing by a girl in my old high school also in Belgrade; and an AK-47 drive-by murder spree by a 20-year old in a nearby town with 8 more dead, dozens wounded.

Already announced are stricter gun laws and a crackdown on illegal gun stashes from the nineties, but I don't see any attention being given to the fact the child acted straight from a known playbook, and one that is connected to a specific pipeline. Just like anywhere, TikTok is huge with kids here, and so is Andrew T*te. Popular YouTubers cosplay as him for views. I work at a regional rap record label and used to moderate a Facebook group connected to it, and the kids there were so funny and creative and charming, but so consistently toxic to any girls trying to enter the space, it was heartbreaking. They were so obviously taking their cue from memes. I waged wars trying to change their perspective, but ended up alienating most of them. It's so bleak to see it getting worse.