that's a good one, thanks
― corrs unplugged, Thursday, 8 June 2023 10:54 (one year ago) link
oh hell yeah Agnes is back at jt
Every time Agnes Callard writes an article about how something sucks, it’s actually just something her husband wants to do against her wishes, but instead of telling him that, she uses national media to argue why a mundane desire like “wanting to travel” is morally reprehensible— تمار 🌴 Tamar 🌴 תמר (@tamars) June 24, 2023
― mh, Monday, 26 June 2023 18:34 (one year ago) link
link to the actual article here: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-weekend-essay/the-case-against-travel
there are a few bits that tease around the fact it's not specifically travel she's uninterested in, but the idea of experiencing places, art, etc as a communal experience
it really does read like someone trying to explain that travel is bad because they do not like the way their spouse wants to travel, or are at odds with the way other people like seeing how others react to the things they've enjoyed
― mh, Monday, 26 June 2023 18:44 (one year ago) link
I feel like the Onion should mint a new columnist to exploit this.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 26 June 2023 18:47 (one year ago) link
they should just publish her columns tbh
― mh, Monday, 26 June 2023 18:51 (one year ago) link
one of the most embarrassing magazines
― budo jeru, Monday, 26 June 2023 18:53 (one year ago) link
what are the others
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Monday, 26 June 2023 18:56 (one year ago) link
I freely admit that I hate traveling*, and my spouse loves traveling. We work out a compromise.
* = let me be clear: I don't hate being in an art museum on a different continent. I love walking around a medieval cathedral or ancient pyramid or whatever. I have been quite happy on sugary white beaches facing a teal-colored sea.
What I DO hate is the 14 hours of airports and shittles and taxis that have become the required price of travel.
Plastic stanchions and nylon straps. The line for this, the line for that, the line for the next thing. Hurrying breathlessly to an airport so that you earn the right to... wait for six hours in an airport.
What group are we in? Group 8? Sigh, okay, fine. Oh, I've been randomly selected for secondary screening? Okay, fine. Shoes off? Okay. Belt off? Gah, okay.
Oh look, we've gotten through to the next phase. Oh look! Stanchions and ropes again.
Wait, what? Give a saliva sample and get a prostate exam? Sigh, okay, whatever, get it over with.
― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 26 June 2023 18:59 (one year ago) link
Magazines that are hobby- or task-based offering tips how to introduce new practices or products to knit better, remodel your home, maintain your extensive car collection while reading about how other people have restored cars aren't really embarrassing even if they're corny or partially exist as validation that your practice is valid.
Which is funny because one of the postulated ideas in Agnes's writing (I'm not going to call them points, she's not making any points) is that tourist-style activities are useless if you're looking at works of art for 15 seconds and travel for work or a specific task is justifiable. What, exactly, is the utility of writing this travel article? It's either an attempt to validate her own views, or it has a specific goal in mind (telling spouse not to travel).
Both are the things she complains about
― mh, Monday, 26 June 2023 19:05 (one year ago) link
xp yeah the entire process of travel can suck, but hilariously that's not really mentioned because it's necessary for the travel she likes
― mh, Monday, 26 June 2023 19:06 (one year ago) link
words that do not appear in the piece: train, airport, luggage, expense, cost
― mh, Monday, 26 June 2023 19:07 (one year ago) link
It's either an attempt to validate her own views, or it has a specific goal in mind (telling spouse not to travel).
Since I just wrote something that a bunch of people are reading I thought it might be a good time to do a 🧵explaining my approach to public writing.TL; DR: it's Socratic.— Agnes Callard (@AgnesCallard) June 24, 2023
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Monday, 26 June 2023 19:09 (one year ago) link
centrist jordan peterson
― budo jeru, Monday, 26 June 2023 19:25 (one year ago) link
YMP OTFM
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 26 June 2023 19:27 (one year ago) link
I was about to write out what's probably a repost about my friend who would do these socratic-style debates for fun with his friend at home in the late evening while they were in college, with the kicker that both were very stoned
and this appears to be that type of socratic debate
― mh, Monday, 26 June 2023 19:31 (one year ago) link
if tourism is dumb and tourists do things that are nonsensical to you then do the things that make sense to you
that anecdote about going to a falconry thing because she was told that was "what people do" is very funny
― mh, Monday, 26 June 2023 19:33 (one year ago) link
Reading Callard you understand why Socrates had to be killed.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 26 June 2023 20:05 (one year ago) link
So-crap-tic
― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 26 June 2023 20:19 (one year ago) link
that friend I mentioned also had a tattoo of socrates drinking hemlock iirc
― mh, Monday, 26 June 2023 20:20 (one year ago) link
This was a wince inducing read. Never considered it before and am in the definitely not camp after reading this. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/07/03/the-perils-and-promises-of-penis-enlargement-surgery
― Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 12:50 (one year ago) link
Don't know anything about this person, but I thought this was a good response to that travel article:
https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/think-less-agnes
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 13:56 (one year ago) link
Ha Ha the less you know about him the better
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 13:58 (one year ago) link
oh boooooooy
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 14:06 (one year ago) link
https://www.discogs.com/release/1045737-P-Br%C3%B6tzmann-Group-Fuck-De-Boere-Dedicated-To-Johnny-Dyani/image/SW1hZ2U6NTcxNTUwMA==
― Crabber B. Munson (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 14:08 (one year ago) link
I imagine many of these insufferable professional thinkers are as full of baggage as they are full of shit, but yeah, I'm the first to admit I don't know who many of them are! One person's academic/intellectual boogeyman is another person's, I dunno, Snuffleupagus.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 14:15 (one year ago) link
DeBoer's had confrontations with several ILXers over the years.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 14:19 (one year ago) link
Ah! Doesn't surprise me, lol. I'm sure I've stumbled across them, I just can't remember. Someone should compile an ILX canon doc.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 14:23 (one year ago) link
read that penis enlargement article Dan posted earlier this week. harrowing, I’ve seen several complications from similar procedures. these people are barely doctors
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 28 June 2023 14:53 (one year ago) link
The combination of the unapologetically opinionated Agnes Callard piece, and the unapologetically opinionated Freddie response piece, reminds me a bit of Hamilton Nolan's anti-exercise-equipment piece:
https://variety-spot.com/weve-been-led-to-believe-something-weird-about-exercise-hamilton-nolan/
...a presumably cathartic piece that just was probably fun to write but basically just states a point of view, and unapologetically waves its metaphorical penis at everybody who might disagree.
If this is the current and/or future state of opinion writing, I am for it. Not because I will always agree, but because I like people just going ahead and saying what they mean.
― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 15:07 (one year ago) link
counterpoint: ppl shd hang back and then obfuscate
― mark s, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 15:08 (one year ago) link
A lot of these think pieces seem to be about metaphorical penis enlargement.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 15:15 (one year ago) link
I will never click on a FdB article and that's my vow
(unless it's really funny in a cringe way)
― mh, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 15:25 (one year ago) link
mark s., I look forward to your forthcoming literary magazine, in which half the issues' content involves people refraining from saying what they mean, and the other half contains people obuscating about what they might have said, but decided to refrain from.
― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 15:38 (one year ago) link
what would be his influences
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 15:39 (one year ago) link
think pieces where the writer comes off as a serious dick without meaning to
― very sneaky cis (symsymsym), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 15:56 (one year ago) link
xxxp
― very sneaky cis (symsymsym), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 15:57 (one year ago) link
on second thought, FdB writing about Agnes is probably good because most of his work is in the "inventing a type of guy to be mad at" genre
― mh, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 18:33 (one year ago) link
If Agnes Callard did not exist Freddie de Boer would have to invent her
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 19:47 (one year ago) link
and then accuse her of rape
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 20:26 (one year ago) link
I’ve never made any case against unions. I made a case for persuasion, in which I expressed doubts about whether I could justify canceling my class in response to the strike. I was asking for an argument, so I held an event in which a union organizer explained that argument. 1/2— Agnes Callard (@AgnesCallard) July 11, 2023
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 July 2023 07:10 (one year ago) link
Man, she's the king of "I'm just asking questions ... "
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 July 2023 08:23 (one year ago) link
god, what a tiresome person
― Roz, Friday, 14 July 2023 08:57 (one year ago) link
on the topic of labour strikes, i thought this piece on Orange Is the New Black really drove home how much streaming has screwed over working actors in Hollywood (and minority actors in particular). really depressing read.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/notes-on-hollywood/orange-is-the-new-black-signalled-the-rot-inside-the-streaming-economy
Traditional broadcast series pay residuals for each re-airing, calculated as a percentage of the actor’s salary. The 2012 New Media Agreement entitled Myles to residuals only after the first fifty-two weeks the show was on the platform; the amount was based not on how many times each episode was watched but on a percentage of the licensing fee that Netflix paid Lionsgate to distribute the show. (If this sounds confusing, don’t worry—the actors also find it baffling.) Myles still gets around six hundred dollars a year for a handful of guest spots on “Law & Order: Special Victims Unit,” stretching back to 2004, but her residuals this year for “Orange” have come to around twenty bucks.
...
Despite the Beatlemania-like fame, many cast members had to keep their day jobs for multiple seasons. They were waiting tables, bartending. DeLaria continued doing live gigs to keep up with her rent. Diane Guerrero, who played the fashionable inmate Maritza Ramos, worked at a bar, where patrons would recognize her. “How could you tell this complete stranger how much you’re getting paid for being on a television show?” she asked. “Because everyone’s reaction would be, like, ‘Oh, my God, I love you on that show! But also, what are you doing here?’ It was this incredulity that was teetering on offensive.” Myles was working in a basement for a financial firm, acting in live simulations for aspiring financial planners. One day, one of the candidates paused on the phone and said, “You sound exactly like the Amish meth head on ‘Orange Is the New Black.’ Has anyone ever told you that?”
― Roz, Friday, 14 July 2023 09:16 (one year ago) link
I hope you guys are ready bc my next essay is about sex— Agnes Callard (@AgnesCallard) July 15, 2023
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 15 July 2023 17:59 (one year ago) link
Sex rule #1: Stay away from scabs
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 July 2023 18:34 (one year ago) link
"FHM have only gone and done a bloody 'Sex issue'!"
― the best minds of my generation destroyed by woke (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 16 July 2023 10:22 (one year ago) link
I’m ready for Agnes to make me feel exasperated by the idea of having sex
― mh, Sunday, 16 July 2023 18:43 (one year ago) link
never been so thankful to be paywalled
WSJ editor: find me five people with a really normal understanding of sex Second WSJ editor: you got it, boss pic.twitter.com/inQ4BjIYbc— Tom Gara (@tomgara) July 28, 2023
― Roz, Sunday, 30 July 2023 07:54 (one year ago) link
agreed, too much
― mh, Sunday, 30 July 2023 15:50 (one year ago) link
Hey, I have a post that's not about Agnes Callard!
Anyone else shook by Goings On About Town getting slashed from 6 pages to 2 (and dropping "About Town" in the process)? I do think it made sense to refresh that section: As much as I liked that its movie coverage had become a place to put recommended streaming titles (originally a pandemic pivot, but one that proved worth keeping), it did sort of raise the question of what Goings On About Town was for. Same goes for the occasional podcast reviews. But the location-specific events that were the meat of the section were also arguably irrelevant to a great portion of the magazine's readers (those who do not live in New York).
That said, the 2-page spread feels kind of flimsy for a section that's been such a mainstay of the magazine. And it's a bummer that Matos's byline (and those of other freelancers) will no longer appear:
After this week, Goings on About Town will shrink from six pages to two and be written entirely by staff.— Michaelangelo Matos (@matoswk75) July 22, 2023
― jaymc, Thursday, 3 August 2023 01:24 (one year ago) link