Werner Herzog films: c/d/s/d

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I just saw Aguirre and it's insane. watching it made me hate all those widescreen pretty-beautiful epics that are ten a penny. it's so fucking real-looking. anthony minghella please watch a Herzong film then give up or kill yourself. obviously Aguirre is astonishing to look at but makes you realise, to an extent, that most films are just cinematography and lightning with actual direction and vision and depth waaaaaaay down the list. films are too beautiful now. all surface no feeling.

also - MONKEYS!

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 22 April 2005 02:42 (twenty-one years ago)

ummm, I like some Anthony Minghella films!
but yes Aguirre is great, better than Talented Mr Ripley even!

― Levinicus (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 April 2005 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

He killed Ian Curtis

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 22 April 2005 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

So classic, then.

― woopsadaisy, Friday, 22 April 2005 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked Woyzek or whatever it's called best. The rats in Nosferatu are very good too. I like the monkeys in Aguirre. Have I said this before? Maybe it was on a monkey thread.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 22 April 2005 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Did anyone get the DVD box sets? I just bought one of teh Fassbinder ones so I'm gonna have to wait a bit for those

― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Friday, 22 April 2005 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Got the Kinski one, eagerly awaiting Kasper Hauser's release in the UK.

― Masked Gazza, Friday, 22 April 2005 11:21 (twenty-one years ago)

'burden of dreams' out on dvd soon.

why did the new german cinema collapse circa 1982? fassbinder dead, wenders fucked by coppola, herzog jumping shark, schlondorff becoming an 'international' director.

― N_RQ, Friday, 22 April 2005 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"wenders fucked by coppola"? what do u mean?

― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Friday, 22 April 2005 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

He was a big football fan (back when people who said they liked football actually did like football), more as a player (he was a useful goalscorer) than a fan - Fassbinder was the major, almost obsessional, Bayern Munich fan

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 22 April 2005 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

wenders went to hollywood/sf in about 1978 to shoot 'hammett'. he shot it, and then coppola, who was producing, made him shoot it again. he was serially dicked around, and the film only emerged in 1982. wenders made 'the state of things' in protest.

― N_Rq, Friday, 22 April 2005 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Fassbinder died and then Wenders and Herzog proceeded to make a lot of increasingly shit movies - and thereby hangs the tale of the New German Cinema

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 22 April 2005 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

it's so fucking real-looking.

heh, that's because he puts his actors through hell. if a scene calls for walking down a dangerously steep & narrow path on the side of a mountain, then he actually films them doing so, no camera tricks, stand-ins, etc..

herzog jumping shark

he did a Happy Days remake?

― Amon (eman), Friday, 22 April 2005 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

apparently if you like herzog you're the "kind of person who'd like ken loach, y'know, they're both... realist and miserable..."

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 May 2005 08:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, kinda, yeah, ok maybe, but what a dull dull way of reducing two filmmakers.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 May 2005 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

what insane person said that?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

some guy I work with.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I take back my "kinda, yeah, ok maybe".

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Anybody seen the Grizzly film yet?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 22 May 2005 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i can't really see how anyone would consider dude "realist"

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 23 May 2005 05:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha wait you don't think it was realistic that all these Portuguese conquistador types spoke GERMAN?!?!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 23 May 2005 05:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that Herzog should only make movies with Klaus Kinski playing a character in South America floating down the river. Klaus Kinski in 1920's horror remakes is also semi-acceptable.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 23 May 2005 05:22 (twenty-one years ago)

also, documentaries about klaus kinski.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 23 May 2005 05:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Also any movies starring schizophrenics, dwarves or actors in a trance state.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 23 May 2005 05:34 (twenty-one years ago)

So that's a "no" on the Grizzly film, then?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 May 2005 05:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i think it's hard to think of two less similar filmmakers than loach and herzog. loach's 'kasper hauser' would be about the pitiful lack of welfare provision for the mentally ill in early 19th century germany. herzog's 'land and freedom' would have championed the durrutti column.

― N_RQ, Monday, 23 May 2005 07:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Aguirre is really good.

― latebloomer: B Minus Time Traveler (latebloomer), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe I'll watch kaser hauser this week

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 23 May 2005 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

The Grizzly film didn't play at the local film festival, but The White Diamond did. I missed it, though.

― L'Histoire d'Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 23 May 2005 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i think it's hard to think of two less similar filmmakers than loach and herzog.

no, i don't think they are that dissimilar. i'm pissed tho'.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...

Re: the soundtrack of Lessons of Darkness. Wow, Herzog. That's a lot of soundtrack!

Land of Silence and Darkness = cold, brittle and brilliant

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)

I'm watching Burden of Dreams this week.

Has anyone read Herzog on Herzog?

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

haven't watched Kaspar Hauser yet.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 03:37 (twenty years ago)

well you've got the epiphany of a lifetime still to look forward to then. I envy you.

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 03:43 (twenty years ago)

i'm saving it until I am very old and something about life needs to surprise me

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 03:49 (twenty years ago)

sounds like a recipe for a heart attack.

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 03:50 (twenty years ago)

Herzog on Herzog is okay, not the best bio I've read though.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

not the best Herzog bio or just not the best bio?

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

not the best bio, I haven't read other herzog ones

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:38 (twenty years ago)

Grizzly Man is one of the best films I've ever seen.

― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

I loved "Werner Herzog Eats His Shoe", especially when they ask him about throwing himself into a cactus to celebrate the completion of one of his movies. He explains that he still has a cactus needle in his knee and the interviewer asks him why he is so self-destructive. Herzog just laughs as if this is the most ridiculous thing he's ever heard and says "it's not self-destructive to throw oneself into a cactus!".

Then he eats his shoe.

― Yes, I have heard of pizza (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

i have only seen 1 herzog film and it was stroszek. it's one of my favorite movies ever! i guess i should find this nosferatu.

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

i hope you like it, caitlin

― Yes, I have heard of pizza (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

caitlin, you are in in the UK are you?

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

no, wrong caitlin

― Yes, I have heard of pizza (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

i have only seen 1 herzog film and it was stroszek. it's one of my favorite movies ever! i guess i should find this nosferatu.

I think if you liked Stroszek you should check out Kaspar Hauser next.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

caitlin, you are in in the UK are you?

weird sentence!

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

It's sounds like you're trying to get her to lie!

― Yes, I have heard of pizza (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

or hypnotizing her!

― Yes, I have heard of pizza (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

look directly into my eyes...

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

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