Israel to World: "Suck It."

anything that lessens the influence of the psychos in the current cabinet is an incremental good

tho i guess gallant is still involved, nvm

Not an expert by any means, but I think the solution is a one-state Israeli-Palestinian confederacy

if i see one more instagram post about how israel is suffering and the world is silent i am going to freak the fuck out!

like, what the fuck is this? https://www.instagram.com/p/CyMg_c3sAsA/

one of my friends is doing a fundraiser for Friends of IDF. vomit.

Great post man alive. Thank you.

still not sure what's happened to my friend and her family, i'm just hopeful they were far enough away to not have been affected and are just radio silent for other reasons. i have had trouble looking at all this, my wife is deeply affected, as the daughter of a holocaust survivor who escaped a city in greece that lost 95% of the jewish population i think the brutality of the attacks has done a number on her as well as the predictable brutality of the response making it seem even more hopeless, w/Bibi responding in this manner and in a way that will only get worse. two forces acting with callous psychosis in two different manners essentially setting back the already-pathetic peace process decades and decades.

really hoping your friend and their family are ok, omar

Hezbollah opening a northern front?

I am in a grim sense lucky enough to live in a settler-colonial state that had all but erased its opposition by the time my family came here, so I get to live free of the dissonance in my own daily life

I was wondering about this while reading. I don't have a point to make, but moving to Canada from the US has been very instructive in this regard, i.e., you're taking an objective political stance if you claim to live free of that dissonance (I don't like making these comparisons, but it would be akin to living in the US and ignoring the legacy of slavery). Frankly, I think Americans should rethink this pretty intensely, but I recognize that growing up there, it hasn't been the case.

I guess if I was going to force a point, it would be that a category like "settler colony" is always going to contain local variance: as your post demonstrates there are significant differences even among the more easily grouped historical examples of Canada, USA, Australia, and NZ. Consider including Latin America, the Caribbean, different African countries, Ireland, etc. and it gets absurdly complicated fast.

I'm not persuaded Israel should be so readily excluded from this by-necessity abstract category (see also: democracy, republic, fascist, etc). And there's an irony to citing its founding by refugees as a reason for doing so while the indigeneity of Jewish people to the region (tbc it is undeniable that Jews have deep historical roots there) is so often invoked in arguments about this. All settler colonies have tangled histories of who settled them, including, the enslaved, prisoners, debtors, indentured servants, conscripted soldiers, religious refugees, war refugees, migrant labour, various categories of people with effectively no rights like women, and so on. Still, I see your point about the lack of a metropole state, and tbf I have also wondered about the utility of "settler-colony" (and apartheid) as a frame of analysis, though it also strikes me as somewhat moot when you have people founding "settlements" on occupied land.

Some continue to minimize massacres of Israeli civilians, and some even seem to celebrate them – this only fuels militant Zionism by
Naomi Klein

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/11/why-are-some-of-the-left-celebrating-the-killings-of-israeli-jews?utm_term=6526c6871f7e4258766e2e994a5e1edc&utm_campaign=BestOfGuardianOpinionUK&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=opinionuk_email

"some even seem to celebrate them, as if doing so proves their bad-ass anti-Zionism."

citation needed

people are saying

The first of my ancestors to settle in North America were religious refugees but that didn’t stop them from exploiting those who came after them and/or those who were already there.

My friend E in Tel Aviv says she is still safe but nervous because war has broken out in the north.

i don't think you have to look very hard to see examples of this.

x post

I don't doubt there's ppl doing it, I do doubt the usefulness of focusing on these ppl like they have the power to affect anything at all even in the discourse, let alone actual politics.

xpost sure, you can find examples of anything anywhere, that doesn't mean it's a thing worthy of writing an article about, esp since she never really names who she sees doing this. People with lots of numbers in their handle on Twitter?

Daniel otm

I mean I've seen at least three people say "raze Gaza to the ground" in the last 24 hours, can I write a companion article to indicate this only helps fuel militant anti-semitism

as always, people need to do more judicious pruning of their social media feeds and stop writing stories about how someone said something shitty on the internet

yeah, the number of normie liberals I've heard mouth semi-genocidal stuff in the past few days...

The most prominent celebrator of the Hamas attacks is a pornstar afaict

Thank fuck, once again, I don't use Twitter.

if you want to see Penaldo fans making up fake stats to illustrate his superiority over Messi, it's the place to be!

In terms of "celebrating," BLM Chicago posted a really really terrible pro-Hamas tweet that I'm not even going to link to. But definitely not doing themselves (or anyone) any favors.

all the social media posts chastising me for my "silence"

or telling me that people talking about "moral equivalency" will be unfollowed

this is ethnic cleansing. there is no ability for palestinians who leave to return. this isn’t a “good compromise”, this is a population transfer. has everyone lost their minds https://t.co/RDKrakGTcm

— michael wave (@SzMarsupial) October 11, 2023

yeah, they've got no right of return. That's not leadership it's fucking cowardice and is actually ethnic cleansing.

Do people with no ties to terrorism groups long to stay there if offered another place to go? I wish there was a way of getting some data on this

— Jonathon (@scottjok) October 11, 2023

the data brain

Soon, the last sliver of electricity and connection will be exhausted. If I die, remember that I, we, were individuals, humans, we had names, dreams, and achievements, and our only fault was that we were just classified as inferior.

— Belal Aldabbour (@Belalmd12) October 11, 2023

So, is the "Hamas beheaded babies" story real or not? I was under the impression there was no evidence but Biden said a short time ago there are confirmed photos. This is the exact kind of thing it's hard to find reliable info for anymore.

it sounds to me like the IDF confirmed it; whether they are reliable or not, I don't know.

either way, these babies appear to be dead; whether they are dead because someone removed their heads or because someone did something else to them, seems irrelevant.

lindsay graham - go fuck yourself

Yeah I think the larger point is that they went into Kibbutzes and family homes and killed everyone, including babies, so whether they also specifically beheaded them is almost beside the point. However, this journalists seems to be claiming confirmation independent of that initial i24 report or the word of IDF spokespeople. Any reason to believe this person isn't trustworthy?
https://x.com/margothaddad/status/1711756690574479651?s=20

she is french and on X, immediately suspect (just kidding)

Please read this whole thread but: Israel’s right-wing La Familia football hooligans are going to hospitals where injured Gazan militants are rumored to be treated and threatening, harassing, and spitting on medical staff. They are proving right the worst assumptions of Israelis https://t.co/of6jWSPEDV

— ‏تمار 🌴 Тама́р 🌴 תמר (@tamars) October 11, 2023

Yeah, fuck those guys.

Consider including Latin America, the Caribbean, different African countries, Ireland, etc.

Powerful. This man has lost family in Gaza over the last couple of days.

“It’s the Palestinians that are always expected to condemn themselves” 🇵🇸 watch it. Then watch it again. pic.twitter.com/UO4tMFvF2E

— 🐘 (@mariyyum) October 11, 2023

from what I have seen the dubious beheaded babies story was started by an Israeli journo quoting an IDF soldier, which is not a remotely credible scenario and it was neither corroborated nor denied by the IDF. Of course they won't deny it when they are planning a ground invasion of Gaza and are killing babies themselves.

It has been corroborated by the IDF and civilian emergency rescue / recovery workers. The initial reporting may have irresponsible but appears to be at least partly correct.

Not aimed at anyone here, I’m not sure there is much to be gained from the impulse to minimise or disbelieve Hamas’ brutality, even if some of the reporting looks sketchy or social media noise means certain claims don’t immediately check out. This was a terrorist action aimed, in large part, at civilians by an organisation that has no qualms about committing crimes against humanity.

This seems the more important objection:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

Hamas has been used as a tool to maintain the occupation.

_Consider including Latin America, the Caribbean, different African countries, *Ireland*, etc._


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Man alive, many xps but I thought your post was excellent, truly from the heart. I don’t really have anything useful to add itt, the whole situation is horrific with seemingly no end in sight, but your post really spoke to the horror of the situation & I appreciated the perspective it gave me. Genuinely thank you.

i thin gyac was just expressing gratitude that ireland was included as it's often overlooked

xp oh yeah i was thinking about it slightly differently carry on

I just want to push back on something ShariVari wrote.

Only the most craven anti-Semites would minimize or sanitize the brutality of Hamas.

Yet time and time again, people downright refuse to even consider the brutality and murderousness of the IDF, of settlements, and of the occupation.

This isn’t saying anything negative about ShariVari’s post or pointed at anyone here, but the vast denial of the violence that is enacted upon Palestinians every second of their lives is maddening.

maybe only the most ideologically committed can drive the way things progress.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive)

this last line left me thinking on yeats' position on the worst and their passionate intensity

RE: the 'baby beheading' thing.. firstly, an AK-47 can do truly horrific things to a human body, whether or not that was the intended outcome, so it's quite possible that this was observed; secondly, I think they really want to paint Hamas as ISIS clones, I've already heard this language being used. ISIS was pretty generally loathed, even within the Arab world, so to paint Hamas with this brush can help delegitimize the entire Gaza plight, and allow Israel wide latitude to remove them from power by any means necessary

It's worth noting that Hamas is not particularly loved within Gaza - they seized power due to winning a civil war, not free & fair elections

they got like 44% of the vote in 2006 but I know nothing else about that election