Israel to World: "Suck It."

Or to simplify:

America: "Huh why would they do this what's Al Qaeda, yay Bush go get em" - sends a bunch of poor kids over to a country we can't find on a map

Israel: "You fucking idiot, everybody knew this could happen" - all able bodied men under 40 and many women are forced to go risk death mere dozens of miles away in an avoidable conflagration from an ongoing conflict that has been a presence for their entire lives

And to be clear, I don't mean to use "threat" in any kind of moralizing way, I just mean it as a fact of life whether you think the threat is justified or not

Leaders who take nations into wars not surviving the war is not uncommon. It happened in both world wars in the UK.

From one of those interviews:

"This is the first time I have been interviewed by The New Yorker, and it’s happening because Israelis were killed. What happened when Palestinians were killed in the thousands, just in the fifteen years that I’ve been covering Hamas? And so, when we really want to think about what this driver of violence is—and the pictures that have been coming out are sickening—we need to understand that colonial violence instills dehumanization both in the oppressor and in the oppressed. And it’s completely out of mind. It’s mind-boggling to me that Israeli protesters go out to protest for democracy in an apartheid regime. The only way they can hold that contradiction is if they accept that Palestinian lives are absent or expendable. And so we have to understand this violence, which, again, is heart-wrenching, in that context."

France banned 'pro-Palestine' public protests? I can see UK trying it. Putin must be lhao.

??

Israel is paying YouTube to place adverts like this before videos aimed at children..

No words.... pic.twitter.com/QK6qa1s3Vl

— Lowkey (@Lowkey0nline) October 12, 2023

Wow. Paris after protests in solidarity with Palestine were banned by the government. https://t.co/K3aPvbhL4r

— Farah-Silvana Kanaan (@farahkanaan) October 12, 2023

Macron is a fucking idiot.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone so desperate to be Prime Minister.

Israeli defensive action against Hamas must not be used as an excuse to stir up hatred against Jews.

We’re giving @CST_UK an extra £3m to enhance the safety of the British Jewish community.

We stand against antisemitism. And we stand with Israel.

pic.twitter.com/xj9d0qgCNX

— Suella Braverman MP (@SuellaBraverman) October 12, 2023

Trump reportedly asking key pro-Israel allies if he can call for Netanyahu's 'immediate impeachment' after Hamas attacks https://t.co/x2BSSfrqVM

— Haaretz.com (@haaretzcom) October 12, 2023

Macron is a fucking idiot.

Seriously. Guy is just laser picking the worst possible shit to rile the French up. Half expect him to ban wine next.

xp as much as this hurts me to type, that might be the first thing I fundamentally agree with him on wrt an actual policy platform.

I don't think Israel does the whole impeachment thing

as with other parliamentary systems

but it's the thought that counts

I found this letter from Arielle Angel compelling

xxp he can call for his pipe, his bowl, and his fiddlers three, who gives a shit

"Bibi is absent"

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/10/in-the-israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-is-losing-at-home.html

"Opposition leader Yair Lapid, who has refused to join the emergency war cabinet as long as Netanyahu keeps his extremist ministers, accused the government of an “unforgivable failure” and said “he who brought about this failure cannot fix it.” On September 20, Lapid, who is privy to top-secret intelligence briefings, warned in a video message that he had reason to believe that Israel was vulnerable to a multifront attack as a result of “the government’s lack of coordination with security agencies.” The prime minister’s office issued its fourth denial about having dismissed any such prior warning. Netanyahu was updated only “when the fighting broke out and not before.”

Thanks for the further thoughts, Man Alive (its always worth expanding, people aren't always as fixed as they might appear)

BREAKING: Israel’s military has directed the evacuation of northern Gaza, a region that is home to 1.1 million people, within 24 hours, according to a U.N. spokesman. https://t.co/6B5Hjjy9hg

— The Associated Press (@AP) October 13, 2023

this is really bad

They...aren't going to use nukes or anythin that mental are they? :|

The chief minister of Scotland has family in Gaza.

UN has said the order to move 1.1m people in 24 hours will lead to "devastating humanitarian consequences"

The international community must step up and demand an end to collective punishment. Enough. There can be no justification for the death of innocent men, women & children. https://t.co/b2IlGARfXT

— Humza Yousaf (@HumzaYousaf) October 13, 2023

xpost: of course they are

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/israel-white-phosphorus-used-gaza-lebanon

“Why, our people are here because genocide was committed against us. What we need to do is commit genocide against other people after keeping them in glorified camps for generations! Surely God will smile upon us.”

The dissonance and wickedness embedded within this line of thinking is, objectively, completely off the charts.

The headline: “Israel shows Mutilated Babies”

The picture: Palestinian children affected by Israeli airstrikes on Gaza.

This is the third day in a row they do this. https://t.co/jOzxmgqXcj

— Mohammed El-Kurd (@m7mdkurd) October 13, 2023

So this "day of rage". Announced a few days ago and I hadn't heard about it until last night when a superior at work suggested we not come in. Not an official decree from the company though, just the head of a department. Going online and I see reports of protests, one or two attacks in europe and thousands of posts from americans talking about their 2nd amendment rights.

Israel's president is denying the concept of innocent civilians, on the brink of a major military offensive. A very bad sign. https://t.co/bePxxDVEE6 pic.twitter.com/mdtWoYEGTJ

— Henry Mance (@henrymance) October 13, 2023

I didn't hear about this day of rage until right now. Uh, seems bad.

I saw it as “Day of Jihad” and it seems like a FacebookUncle holiday

Trying to think exactly what the phrase was so I could unwrap i properly but somebody used a term like unnecessary civilian damage or casualties to Chris Hayes a couple of days ago. Sounded pretty dodgy even on surface. Like there was a necessary level?

yeah it’s gussied up right wing nonsense, amazing how so many seeming liberals’ critical faculties atrophy in these moments

xp, the “global day of jihad” stuff. nypd “hasn’t received any credible threats,” of course

There was someone doing donuts on a bridge into NYC waving a Palestinian flag. Terrifying.

fuck Israel's president. jesus christ that rhetoric.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Dresden analogy in that Naftali Bennett interview.

I think he was saying the Allied Press didn't give a shit about what was happening in Dresden, because that was the enemy

The footage of someone doing donuts in New York was apparently fake. Afaik, it's from some other time and was a Puerto Rican flag. Everyone should be very vigilant against fake stuff on social media right now.

forced rapid expulsions of large numbers of civilians are never anything less than catastrophic and deadly even when done over weeks rather than hours. Was just recently reading a book on the subject called Orderly and Humane. The lack of pushback on this action from the West is just so predictable and depressing.

people do donuts all over the freeways in the bay area every single day and it is annoying but not some sign of impending jihad

unless the jihad is me going fucking psycho on them when they do them on the residential street near my house

Most of my childhood friends are Jewish and have exactly one viewpoint, which they believe to be the only sane and informed viewpoint. Most of my adult friends are lefty Americans and have exactly one (diametrically opposed) viewpoint, which they believe to be the only sane and informed viewpoint.

And then there's god...

Israel's president is denying the concept of innocent civilians, on the brink of a major military offensive. A very bad sign. https://t.co/bePxxDVEE6 pic.twitter.com/mdtWoYEGTJ

— Henry Mance (@henrymance) October 13, 2023

I know what you mean though. This point of view absolutely makes sense to the person sitting next to me right now, but sounds to me like madness.

YMP - this is why the extent of my posting on FB re this situation was a Heather Cox Richardson post share

*Anakin/Padme meme* - "the celebrities are going to start posting photos of missing Palestinian children next right?...... right?

man I can't deal with heather cox richardson's 75 paragraph posts.

YMP/Raymond -
I wonder if this is a Gen X vs. Millennial thing; all of my Jewish friends (not tons but...) and the younger members of my (Jewish) family are all opposed to violence by the state of Israel. The older generations are, you know, opposed to violence but are pro-Israel and see it as justified. Noticed the same thing with my wife - she was surprised a friend of hers was really open about supporting Palestine (mid-fifties person), but to me... it's not unusual. Not sure what this means or portends. If anything.

Raymond C. I would be a bit more chill if I hadn't just seen THREE real humans - people who I've known all my life - do this specific thing.

They simultaneously say "ask me anything and I will give you unbiased information that is nuanced and fact-based," while they also have an Israeli flag as their profile picture with "I stand with Israel."

Personally I understand why some folks "stand with Israel."

What I DO NOT understand is someone who simultaneously says "I stand with Israel" but is also like "maybe you don't understand the history so let me school you." Thanks, but I would rather not be schooled by someone who has already announced their enduring allegiance, and it is... unsurprisingly, exactly what I thought it would be.

How convenient that you have come, after careful consideration, to exactly the same conclusion that you would have come to when we met in 1979.

xp to ian, judging by the folks i know from my childhood, it is not a generational thing