Not really tho. To me a liberal is someone just slightly to the left of a Tory.
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link
I was going to add a comment on the mail's site, but I couldn't be arsed, which sez it all wrt my opinion on manning, I suppose.
― Pashmina, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 11:09 (seventeen years ago) link
remember his appearance on Mrs Merton? he was arrogant and obnoxoious of course but he still managed to outsmart them really. Ahearne seemed angered by his behaviour afterwards, maybe frustrated that she didn't manage to show him up as perhaps intended (why would you invite him on otherwise? clearly she was not a fan). he didn't need other people to make him look a pillock tho innit.
-- blueski, Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:53 AM (Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:53 AM) Bookmark Link
This the same Mrs Merton show in which she said that many non-whites in this country were born here and were therefore British and he said something along the lines of "Jesus was born in a stable but we don't call him a fuckin horse"?
In what way did he outsmart them?
― onimo, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 11:14 (seventeen years ago) link
Richard Wilson was the other guest on that wasn't he - he didn't try and be funny so much as just be all "yr an idiot", which probably worked in his favour
― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyone see Jim Bowen being interviewed about Manning by Gavin Esler on Newsnight? Good old Jim!
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link
i found out yesterday, while working at an awards show, and my thumbs instinctively turned upwards in a fonzie-esque 'eyyyyyy' gesture.
i was woken at 8 this morning, after 2 hours' sleep, to hear the retards on the bbc breakfast telly reading out emails they'd received, all along the 'he was funny and he was brave, people are too sensitive' variety, and the woman earnestly inviting viewers to write in if they had an opinion. i'm bored shitless of opinions, and i'm glad he's dead.
― stevie, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 11:45 (seventeen years ago) link
i'm bored shitless of opinions, and I'm glad he's dead.
This is how Nazi Germany ended.
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 11:47 (seventeen years ago) link
That was Eva Braun's last words, folks!
― Mark G, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 11:58 (seventeen years ago) link
he didn't lose his cool unlike co-guest Richard Wilson (who looked pretty silly trying to reason with or get one up on him). he was probably annoyed that he'd been treated so badly by them afterwards (not much sympathy here of course) but he was probably still the least agitated person involved in the whole thing at the end of it. they got him on the show to embarrass him but it didn't really work - it's not as if it did his reputation any further harm really.
― blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:02 (seventeen years ago) link
what did Jim Bowen say?
― Grandpont Genie, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:03 (seventeen years ago) link
I expect he praised him in the same way Stan Boardman and pretty much all the stand-ups of their generation have done. A lot of them probably retain a big 'don't speak ill of the dead, at least not in public' thing that has been lost on generations since (not too bothered about this myself) - not that this matters much when most of them would agree with his attiude overall.
― blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link
He kept calling Gavin Esler, Gavin, and to demonstrate that you can tell jokes about anyone and anything told him a Scottish joke:
"Look, Gavin, it's like this... I could say, for instance, that one day Gavin Esler dies and goes to heaven and you reach the gate, Gavin, and St. Peter says, 'Clear off, we're not making porridge for one'"
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:06 (seventeen years ago) link
godwin inversion!!
― stevie, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:08 (seventeen years ago) link
From that daily mail page
A great comedian - shame there aren't more of them to put the PC brigade and the Metropolitan elite in their place. God Bless.- John Bush, London, UKNow that man should get a Knighthood - not Rushdie.- Joe De Hoop, Brighton, Sussex
- John Bush, London, UK
Now that man should get a Knighthood - not Rushdie.
- Joe De Hoop, Brighton, Sussex
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:11 (seventeen years ago) link
i guess it shows he was loved by some south of Watford too.
― blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:15 (seventeen years ago) link
the Metropolitan elite
Who they?
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:17 (seventeen years ago) link
He means YOU, Tom.
― Pashmina, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link
I thought he meant Jews
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:24 (seventeen years ago) link
You can't give knighthoods to dead people, durr...
Unless he meant John Bush.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:25 (seventeen years ago) link
re. mrs merton -- would the characters in 'the royle family' like bernard manning?
― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:28 (seventeen years ago) link
He wasn't that popular, he hadn't been on the telly for years and his act hadn't changed either
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:31 (seventeen years ago) link
but enough about eddie izzard...
― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link
um, wasn't Manning Jewish?
Anyway I never forgave him for publicly traducing Peter Cook (who was sitting next to him) on the Joan Rivers Show in the mid-eighties with remarks of the calibre of "You used to be very funny, Peter" and (to camera) "He's lost his timing. I work every night, you see."
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:34 (seventeen years ago) link
I think he was Jewish, but I imagine John Bush, London, UK wasn't aware of that fact
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:41 (seventeen years ago) link
I expect he praised him in the same way Stan Boardman and pretty much all the stand-ups of their generation have done
I was listening to Jim Davidson phoning into the Jeremy Vine Show earlier, saying that Manning wasn't racist because he didn't think he was racist, rather he just thought he was funny because he made people laugh.
So, yeah, we're rid of Manning, now for the rest of the fucktards that think asking a black audience memeber if they're enjoying their night out in the comedy club because it makes a difference from swinging from trees funny, the ones that kept Bernard Manning in a job for so many more years than was ever necessary.
(not that I'm defending the first half of Davidson's argument at all, but there's a glimmer of a point in the second part - if no-one laughed, surely he and his ilk would just give up?)
― ailsa, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:42 (seventeen years ago) link
Manning left the country???
― JTS, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:44 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyway I never forgave him for publicly traducing Peter Cook (who was sitting next to him) on the Joan Rivers Show
(xp) I actually thought the subtext of that was "You used to be very funny Peter - what are you doing wasting your time with this shit". Which was fair comment.
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:44 (seventeen years ago) link
I watched it at the time and it seemed much more snide rather than admonitory, but fair enough, Ms Rivers didn't exactly give PC much to do (sometimes having enough FUCK YOU money can work against a performer)...
Ailsa xpost: well, Andy Cameron's still going...
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link
now for the rest of the fucktards that think asking a black audience memeber if they're enjoying their night out in the comedy club because it makes a difference from swinging from trees funny, the ones that kept Bernard Manning in a job for so many more years than was ever necessary.
you'd think black people would stop going to the gigs after that many years!
― blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:48 (seventeen years ago) link
A bit like David Cameron liking the Smiths innit.
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:50 (seventeen years ago) link
I just figured "metropolitan elite" referred to london cultural stranglehold over uk.
I'm wary of generalisation wrt uk/northern working class, b/c I AM ONE, but I remember Manning turning up on I think "OTT" which'll have been late '70's/early '80's and my mother leaping up to turn the TV over before he even opened his mouth, I asked her what it was all about - she was disgusted both by him and his act. We were a bit like the Royles, but a little more pretentious/upmarket, maybe.
I don't recall any of my aunties & uncles liking manning's steez either, they all thought he was repulsive. My father in law thinks chubby brown is funny, but thought manning was beyond the pale.
One thing that annoyed me reading that mail comments page was all those bellends making out that manning represented northern WC humour. I'm northern WC, so are most of my IRL friends. I think manning was a hateful, unfunny shit, or at least his act was that. I can't remember anyone I know ever, ever expressing any appreciation for the guy. What a load of fucking bollocks.
― Pashmina, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:51 (seventeen years ago) link
David Cameron, Andy Cameron - Which Cameron Makes You Laugh Most?
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:53 (seventeen years ago) link
The Pash OTM
you guys are obsessed with Cameron
― blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:53 (seventeen years ago) link
Well he did release two of the most memorable football songs ever
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:54 (seventeen years ago) link
True Lies was a stinker tho
― blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:54 (seventeen years ago) link
What Pash said.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:59 (seventeen years ago) link
Cameron made a football record? I thought the only ball game he knew was the Eton Wall game.
― Billy Dods, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:59 (seventeen years ago) link
Also, re that tirade against Peter Cook. I didn't know pete was "in character"!!
― Mark G, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:00 (seventeen years ago) link
Farewell and god bless to a real comedian. He only put into words what we wanted to hear, jokes about present day life. If that meant immigrants or sexual deviants then so be it, that is life. A PC comedian is as funny as paint drying, we need to laugh about things to stop them from getting us down.- John, Tendring, England
- John, Tendring, England
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=462884&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770&expand=true#StartComments
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link
OTT discussion/reminiscences conspicuously absent from Tiswas Revisited prog.
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link
CONSPIRACY OF JOHN
― blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link
xxp r these people living in 1990
― Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link
It's a cop out to say that because you tell jokes about everyone equally your material should not be deemed as offensive. Like it or not Bernard Manning's humour did appeal more to the bigoted than anyone else although they would be the last to acknowledge their bigotry.- Kathy Jones, Herts, England
- Kathy Jones, Herts, England
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:03 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link
Yes, I was wondering about that myself.
― Pashmina, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link
Manning's act was also really dated in race terms: lots of jokes about first generation black (Carribean, I suppose) immigrants, no material about asylum seekers or Poles. If you can't even be bothered to keep your racism up to date...
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link
Indeed, he was past it years ago, like 15 years ago
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link
It's like Freddie Starr surviving for 40 years on the same 40-year-old act, i.e. his Jagger will always be "Not Fade Away" and so on and so forth. His relative lack of exposure on TV (doing his act, as opposed to appearing on chat shows) probably worked in Manning's favour since he behaved exactly like the music hall acts of the pre-TV era, ceaselessly working the country with the same ten-minute act for decades.
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:33 (seventeen years ago) link
The thing Ailsa is referring to, IIRC, was a coppers' night out, so dude probably didn't have much choice. The unexpurgated version of it is... eye-opening, I daresay it's online somewhere
― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:40 (seventeen years ago) link
not as funny as the time the BNP booked that black DJ for one of their do's.
― blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link