Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

if he gets convicted of 34 felonies what happens next?

yeah maybe PBKR can explain this to me, aren't they just going to appeal and keep kicking it down the road?

idk if they can appeal past the election, and having a sentence handed down in September or October would be a total disaster. also don't most people have to sit in jail waiting for their appeals? obviously the rules are always gonna be different for Trump but idk if anyone's ever been found guilty of 34 felonies and just walked

lots of people have gone to jail for work they did for trump. alan weisselberg is in rikers now.

Depends on the felonies, on nonviolent charges where they don't think there's a flight risk, you can often get out on bond while the appeal's pending. Probably depends on state law, and I don't know New York's — but I'm guessing the state that's home to Wall Street and all its white-collar defendants allows bail pending appeal.

he's going to bail jump, then show up at the Presidential debate

you do have to go to jail until a judge sets bail though, right?

Not necessarily. For one thing, he might not be going to jail at all, there's no certitude that he's actually looking at time behind bars with or without an appeal.

Out on bail, fresh outta jail, Mar a Lago dreamin'

Couldnt the judge just call him a flight risk and put him in jail bc DT has been a dick thru the entire proceedings? It’s still state charges not federal.

Like the jury “doesnt know” what’s been going on outside the courthouse but the judge absolutely knows and knows how DT is going to react to the verdict as being illigitmate or whatever

Trump has returned with members of his entourage, including his oldest son, Donald Trump Jr.; Chuck Zito, the former Hells Angel leader and actor; and the actor Joe Piscopo.

I'm guessing he thinks Joe is actually Sinatra.

Would be hilarious if Trump wins the election while he’s hiding out in Abkhazia or something

https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-bostonglobe.s3.amazonaws.com/public/EJW445BQWII6JPULJW5VPSFJ2E.jpg

TAKE BACK JOE PISCOPO

what happened to that thing where Trump was going to have to publicly declare he wasn't going to testify

Mechan strikes me as capable of dealing with what is both a normal courtroom situation, i.e a guilty verdict is returned on numerous felony charges against a defendant, and an unprecedented situation, i.e. the defendant is a former president and presumed presidential nominee of a major party. One way or another he'll find a suitable path that recognizes both realities. It's a byproduct of The Judicial Temperament.

Predictably, that 'suitable path' will probably anger or dismay large swathes of the politically active among us.

Gotta say this trial has already been way more fun than I expected it to be. When the charges were first filed I read a lot of naysaying about how basically it wasn't going to amount to much, it was a tendentious reading of the law etc etc. Which may be true and he definitely might not get convicted. But he's clearly suffered personally from this, and maybe politically, and anyway it's been kind of a grand time. So if he walks, or is convicted but only wrist-slapped, whatever, I already feel like the effort has been worth it.

yeah maybe PBKR can explain this to me, aren't they just going to appeal and keep kicking it down the road?

― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, May 21, 2024 1:29 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Not a criminal lawyer (thank god), but I would presume Trump will be out walking around on appeal until near election day. NY has pretty lenient bail now (thank god) for these kinds of non-violent offenses and Trump is not a flight risk (until November, ha ha).

He can automatically be appealing to the Supreme Court, Appellate Division, 1st Dept, which is the NY intermediate appellate court that has jurisdiction over Manhattan. Not sure if criminal is different but that can easily take 3-6 months on the civil side. Assuming he loses there, he can appeal to the NY Court of Appeals (NY State equivalent of US Supreme Court), but they do not have to take the case (though maybe they will want to be bigshots, idk).

be appealingappeal

what I'm curious about is, assuming he wins, what power exactly does he have to quash this and the other trials he has pending?

The two federal trials he can ask the DOJ to stop. Georgia, not so much. (And while he's not been charged in Arizona or Michigan, all his toadies are currently facing things there too.)

State court trials, probably little. Federal court trials, probably some.

In the latter case, quash would be more like continued delay + replace prosecutors = dies a slow death, rather than literal quash.

Knowing Trump though, he is just going to want to wave a wand on inauguration day and have all the cases magically disappear and when he finds out he can't do that is going to create more trouble for himself trying to accomplish that in the dumbest, most obvious way possible.

should he win i suspect he will persuade georgia to make its course go away, new york's appeal will be stayed until he's dead. i don't know how that'll happen but but but

he's going to bail jump, then show up at the Presidential debate

― Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Tuesday, May 21, 2024 12:58 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Where bail bondsmen will be waiting, one hopes.

We're taking a short break. Trump leaves the courtroom, carrying a pile of printouts and what appears to be a copy of The New York Times. His entourage follows.

"You see what this PBKR character's been posting?"

"I am your most appealing President in history!"

lol

“I hear Trump’s entourage is almost as big as Bill The Cat’s.”

if i was right (which would be a first) about pres trump serving while on bail from a stayed appeal he could be "president bail" which is i suppose easier to stomach then "president jail."

Like sorry, I don’t trust ANY __________ [imagine filling in that absolutist blank in other ways!]

"ilxor"

trump is rambling and reading his fan's thoughts from his printouts.

everyone just has to stand there behind him...

what a weirdo.

everyone just has to stand there behind him...

you know at some point he's asked his people to reach out to Nielsen about some kind of presidential ratings scale, it's important to know how you're doing against Always Sunny and Third Rock From the Sun

“I hear Trump’s entourage is almost as big as Bill The Cat’s.”

I mean at the end of Bloom County's first run Trump's brain was surgically inserted into Bill The Cat's body, so he's actually one and the same.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/21/trump-mar-a-lago-raid-fbi-deadly-force/

I mean I wish but

this is pretty fucked up even for him, makes it sound like he's the one taking him hostage

https://i.imgur.com/AnHpwKC.jpeg

Musta worked out a new deal with Putin to get some help fresh election interference this year.

Seems like something you might not want to make public, but who cares?

lol Reagan’s people kept their desk with Iran secret for 40 years and Trump just blurts it out.

DEAL with Iran

The deal was kept in a desk.

I mean am I misunderstanding this or is he basically holding a reporter hostage with a foreign nation in order to win an election

The reporter probably won't even be grateful.

The Dart of the Eel

sounds smart to me

first time i've seen this joke outside ilx.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7ULP1ztety/

It's an updated version of the "Here's why that's good news for McCain" joke that was fairly widespread in '08.

ah okay.