The problem is that you're forcing them to think at all which is totally incompatible with their concept of faith.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:12 (nineteen years ago) link
Sure, the "guess what I'm thinking" gambit is bad because it's dishonest- I try to be careful about asking rhetorical questions, though I admit to asking questions of the "did anybody notice anything odd about that third paragraph?" sort from time to time. Pushing people to defend their positions does make them better at arguing- but also, let me point out that classes in which X amount of historical or legal information needs to get covered aren't the time/place for a long knock down, drag out "debate" on an issue. Sometimes you just want to do justice to the course material, esp. when there's a lot of it (as I assume happens all the time in case law or topical law classes). I do find that the huffy "I pay YOU, so you'd better make me feel good about myself" dynamic has intruded from time to time. Honestly, I have no problem with the consumer model being invoked when the issue is a debate about services/tuition/class size- it is appropriate there. But it's not appropriate as a stick with which to coerce your instructor into changing your grade, for example. Presumably what is being paid for is the chance to be assessed in a competitive, meritocratic environment. That's the part where irrirtated faculty ask questions like . . . if everybody already knows everything then why are they in school in the first place? But then again, so many people are only in college because their parents want them to be. I find that sad, when I see smart, bored kids wasting my time and their money.
― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:15 (nineteen years ago) link
where are you getting this process from? What if you were to already know the conclusion as told by GOD?
― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link
And academia is a hugely leftist preserve, not become "all the smart people are leftists" but because the whole idea of devoting yr whole megasmart and potentially lucrative life to study and pedagogy is some sense a leftist idea. So I can do some degree understand the impulse that this comes from, because right now if you're a rightist parent with a smart kid in the states your kid's college tutors probably will push vaguely leftist ideas on that kid, to some extent?
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link
Total Truth by Nancy PearceyDarwin's Black Box by Michael Behe
― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:23 (nineteen years ago) link
uh, it's called the scientific method. If GOD already told you everything, what do you need school/science/other people for? altho now I'm convinced yr just a troll.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1581344589/qid=1111707246/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/103-1914772-5809435
― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link
maybe while I'm looking into that you could read "Origin of the Species".
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link
My idea I offer up is that there are certain fundamentals in place in academia which maybe should not be as blindly followed as they are. Getting lawyers involved is a bad way to do this.
― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link
x-post
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link
"Christianity is not a series of truths in the plural, but rather truth spelled with a capital 'T.' Truth about total reality, not just about religious things. Biblical Christianity is Truth concerning total reality - and the intellectual holding of the total Truth and then living in the light of that Truth" Francis Schaeffer's Address at University of Notre Dame, April 1981
― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 25 March 2005 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 25 March 2005 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 25 March 2005 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 25 March 2005 00:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 25 March 2005 00:11 (nineteen years ago) link
(maybe not but i think this is standard thomist catholicism) (if so it's not anti-science or anti-rationalism or anti-education, and it IS kinda circular but not in a way that's difft from the programme of education as we already understand it)
("you attacked reason," said father brown. "it's bad theology.")
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 25 March 2005 00:16 (nineteen years ago) link
The results of seeking Truth.
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 25 March 2005 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link
(I'm typing quickly because this is a fast moving thread)
― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:21 (nineteen years ago) link
saying: ‘Evolution is a fact. I don’t want to hear about Intelligent Design (a creationist theory), and if you don’t like it, there’s the door,’”
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 25 March 2005 00:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 25 March 2005 00:23 (nineteen years ago) link