Riddle me this, Batman: How come everybody found it so acceptable to make fun of Terri Schiavo?

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I have to fess up that I don't know the details, because I tried to remain oblivious until I couldn't anymore. Maybe her family or husband didn't bring the attention on themselves, but it didn't seem like they tried to stay out of the limelight either.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

"Maybe I'm a heartless bitch, but I don't quite get the "respect for the dead" thing."

dude, did you read my post up above? no wonder we are married in real life. we are heartless lovebirds!

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 1 April 2005 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link

MARIA GET A LIVING WILL

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 1 April 2005 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I have been guilty of this.

"It's occured to me that a lot of the nastiness might be as a distancing mechanism." I think that this is pretty much OTM.

At the risk of sounding callous, and since I don't know any of her family personally and cannot directly cause them grief, I don't think it's all that terrible. It certainly isn't unforeseeable. When I think of the thousands of people here who are going through similar family tragedies, seeing out their Alzheimer's stricken parents or their car crash battered children, when I think of the countless people slowly deterioating from AIDS and other diseases, when I think of the latest Indonesian quake victims or the victims in Darfur, it occurs to me that coping with death is something we all have to face (or ignore) in our own ways, with as much dignity and good humor as we can muster, and that a single death is but a drop in the bucket of our planet's woes.

I was not present when my grandfather died but there was a brief viewing before he was cremated, and I was shocked to find that I went through many different emotions during the breif period we had to say goodbye. At one point, though, we were all laughing as we recalled his many foibles and some of his better bon mots.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

BUT YOU DIDN'T HAVE TOM DELAY OR PEOPLE LIKE NAIRN ACCUSE YOU OF BEING A MONSTER AND CALLING FOR YOUR DEATH ON NATIONAL TV 24/7 DURING THE PROCESS

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 1 April 2005 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

If I did, I think I would take the opportunity to say on national TV that "Tom Delay is a motherfucking cunt. No further comment."

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 1 April 2005 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

being totally on the pipe helps too. are you kidding?

I don't get it.

()ops (()()ps), Friday, 1 April 2005 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

The respect for the dead thing is a red herring, I think - the irksome thing about the photoshopping isn't that she was dying while it happened, it was that she was a person in pain that hadn't actually done *anything at all* to deserve mocking.

I am sort of puzzled that she's this Holy Symbold for the wingnut crowd, but not for its opponents: clearly she should matter just as much to you (symbolically speaking) if you're on her husband's side?

(double xpost)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 1 April 2005 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree wholly, Daniel.

Remy Ulysses Fitzgerald (x Jeremy), Friday, 1 April 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Yesterday, I actually thought for a moment about her husband and parents. Politics aside, her death has to be full of emotions for all of them. I wonder how Michael Schiavo's kids are taking all of this?

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Remy, thanks for this thread.

Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Friday, 1 April 2005 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i hope that michael schiavo sues the LIVING FUCK out of the schindlers for defamation. and though i have ZERO chance of having the opportunity to do so, i would be HONORED to represent him in such a case.

thank you.

Eisbär, Esq. (llamasfur), Friday, 1 April 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

The suggestions that he actually abused/put in a coma Terri were some of the lowest things I have seen in political 'discourse' recently.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

are our two choices either bandwagon or high horse? just askin'.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 1 April 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

being mean can be funny. that's pretty much all there is to it. the basis of 99% of humor is "bad things happening to other people". (the other 1% being ridiculous/surrealistic/dadaist humor a la Monty Python or whoever)

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 April 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

That's really a crock of shit, I'm sorry to say.

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

prove me wrong then.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 April 2005 18:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Isn't the line, "Humor is tragedy plus time' or something like that?

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link

dick jokes and racial jokes. jerry seinfeld. george carlin. eddie murphy.
i could go on.

()ops (()()ps), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I really can't "prove you wrong", prove your statement right. I guess I just don't find that kind of shit as incredibly hilarious as it is v. obvious the rest of ILX does recently. (xpost, thanks oops, add most stand-up comedians, owen wilson buddy flix, TMBG though it's questionable as to whether that's actually funny, etc)

Humor/remembering good things/a joke or two /= the kind of bullshit that's been on this board recently. TERRI SMASH. Uh, yeah, v. funny, genius, hurrah.

BTW those of you using the "this is how I deal with death excuse": uh in what way do you have to "deal" with the deaths of people you don't care about, are not personally acquainted with, don't know v. much about, etc?

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link

my only point is that all comedy is based fundamentally on 1) suffering or 2) total nonsense. Terry Schiavo jokes are no exception. Therefore, getting upset about it (ie, "it isn't funny to laugh at pain!") is essentially saying "humor is not funny!" Ergo, it is a meaningless complaint.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 April 2005 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry, I actually wasn't going to weigh in on this debate but after clicking on 4 different threads today (so far) featuring charming rips on people's deaths/illnesses/whathaveyou I'm kind of like at wit's end.

How many of you have a dead relative? Wanna post some pictures of them? Cos I'd like to photoshop their heads into compromising, awful positions, and laugh and laugh and laugh. That'd be really funny, right? That's how I deal with their death. That person, you know, that you care about and I don't know anything about other than they exist and hey, that's funny!

xpost not a meaningless complaint. Maybe the complaint is more like "ACTUALLY BE FUNNY"

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Isn't the line, "Humor is tragedy plus time' or something like that?

Tragedy + 0 time = 0 humor

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link

That's just stupid.
xpost to shakey

()ops (()()ps), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

(also I don't think Oops was agreeing with you, as all that stuff he listed is based on suffering/someone somewhere being oppressed/unhappy/source of ridicule - especially, duh, racial humor! wtf. correct me if I'm wrong oops)

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 April 2005 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

hell laugh if you want but don't use some lame ass excuse as to why you did it. Just admit to being a shithead when someone calls you on it and move on with your life.

also you still haven't explained how the examples listed fall into "suffering" or "nonsense" UM XPOST GEORGE CARLIN? ARE YOU INSANE?

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

"ACTUALLY BE FUNNY" is not something I think you can request of the people posting to the "person close to death dies" threads

TOMBOT, Friday, 1 April 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Jerry Seinfeld: King of Pain

xpost then don't try to be funny, it's assholish, fucked up, disturbing, sociopathic behavior.

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I get honestly upset when people who have contributed in some way to my life die. I'm sorry to say that Terri Schiavo, the Pope, and Frank Perdue do not fit that bill. However, I do think Johnnie Cochran was a smooth dude.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link

She has a point, Shakey, though the 'Schiavo Comes Alive' picture did make me snicker, perhaps out of shock.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link

The funniest thing about this thread actually is Oops and Shakey Mo trying to argue a point about HUMOR

TOMBOT, Friday, 1 April 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link

finding something funny requires emotional distance. This is humor's basic functional component. some people cannot distance themselves emotionally from Terry Schiavo = not finding jokes about her funny. what's the mystery here?

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 April 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I think peeing on your food is HILARIOUS, due to it causing you to suffer. If you object to this you are objecting to the concept of funniness itself!

xpost no i was agreeing with her. where is the suffering in "white guys drive like *this*?" where is the suffering in "what's the deal with toothpaste?"

()ops (()()ps), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

"ACTUALLY BE FUNNY" basicaly entails not posting to those threads to be funny, since it's not fucking funny. Except for RJG's jokes about the Pope, those were clever.

xpost Yeah Schiavo, Perdue, these are not people that affect my life. I'm not upset by their passings. But it bothers me that being not bothered by it means it's totally ok to turn it into "laugh" fest 2005.

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

this mystery is how you're qualified to talk about what is and isn't funny when you hated Napoleon Dynamite

TOMBOT, Friday, 1 April 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

mystery here: you're not funny.

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

OH SNAP xpost

f--gg (gcannon), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link

hstencil, when that guy from A.R.E. WEAPONS OD'D and everyone made fun, i think you started going off on them...

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link

finding something funny requires emotional distance.

OTM

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

But it bothers me that being not bothered by it means it's totally ok to turn it into "laugh" fest 2005.

fair enough. i don't really have any excuse, i'm bored and lazy.

xpost - cutty that dude contributed to my life by kicking ass in clikitat ikatowi and ayler's angels, not being shown with a gaping-wide mouth on tv every 2 seconds.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

oh you liked Napoleon Dynamite, huh? that explains a lot.

()ops (()()ps), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, and you've never eaten some tasty perdue chicken?

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost to stence

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

no, i don't eat chicken.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

which George Carlin routines are we referring to here - the one where he ridicules baseball? (what about all the feelings of all those poor baseball players and fans!?) The 7 things you can't say on radio? (obviously in the nonsense/surreal category as its main point is how stupid it is to try and legislate language). The routines where he makes fun of himself as being a fool/moron? (where the audience laughs AT HIM, see also Seinfeld)

""white guys drive like *this*?"

Uh, racial stereotyping has actually hurt people you know.

"where is the suffering in "what's the deal with toothpaste?""

the speaker is suffering from neurosis about toothpaste, which is both weird and nonsensical.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 April 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

no, i don't eat chicken.

and i HATE A.R.E. WEAPONS.

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

"where is the suffering in "what's the deal with toothpaste?""

the speaker is suffering from neurosis about toothpaste, which is both weird and nonsensical

Oh, come on.

Leon Bluth (Ex Leon), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

stence, what difference does that make? he contributed something to YOUR life. he didn't contribute something to MY life--so he should be fair game, right?

perdue chicken is pretty much the best kind I think.

xpost: Shakey, that is the stupidest, most slippery-slope-to-excusing-oneself post anyone's ever made. BRAVO! I find your sense of humor absurdist!

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Shakey if you're gonna twist things like that, you can say suffering is at the heart of EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING is nonsense.

()ops (()()ps), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

bingo.

cf. the Buddha.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 April 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link


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