― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stevem On X (blueski), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link
TS: Louie, This Could be the Start of a Beautiful Friendship vs. Sebastian, Would You Please Come Inside?
Notorious wins again.
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:41 (nineteen years ago) link
Sam, if it's December 1941 in Casablanca, what time is it in New York?
SAM Uh, my watch stopped.
RICK I bet they're asleep in New York. I'll bet they're asleep all over America.
then dealing with the emotional residue of bitterness that many Americans felt for Europe following WWI would be an important task.
I think 'Sunrise' is the best B&W film, BTW, though I love 'The Third Man'. Something about 'Citizen Kane' irks me, FWIW. I think I prefer 'The Magnificent Ambersons'.
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link
I recommend Dog Star Man
It is perhaps the ultimate anti-auteur film in that it was really a giant fluke
or in that Humphrey Bogart and Ingrid Bergman are very different from Errol Flynn and Olivia de Havilland
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link
Something about 'Citizen Kane' irks me, FWIW. I think I prefer 'The Magnificent Ambersons'. OTM. I always thought CK was a little-cold blooded and OW hated his character too much. But the older and more Kane-like I get myself, I now see it as a God-like Fassbinderian statement of: I Love My Character, Therefore I Must Torture Him.
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link
There is a lot of potency to Casablanca, and it was quite obviously a call for America to wake up and go to war - rightly in this case. You can, at the end of the day, analyse films to death (I do it too), but I feel a movie lives or dies - at the end of the day - on how entertaining it is.
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stevem On X (blueski), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link
I just watched it the other day and despite knowing much of the screenplay almost by heart, I still find it funny and touching.
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link
you seem to have this wrong. The Third Man is the film that plays to Europeans' feelings of superiority wrt America. Casablanca, released a year after America entered the war, is the film for Americans to imagine they were doing the right thing all along.
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link
P.S. Casablanca was actually commissioned and written before America went to war.
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link
This is a very interesting account of the making of 'Casablanca'.
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stevem On X (blueski), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― :| (....), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm not a film buff. Not seen the Ambersons. The debate is about my level, so I'm here.
OK?
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link
The play on which the movie is based was written before America went to war. It also failed to cast Strasser as particularly evil, per this site. The site also says that Howard Koch sought to emphasize the propaganda value of the story in developing the screenplay. But the script, essentially written by committee, was unfinished when production started in May '42, six month after America entered the war, and, though it's not completely clear, this interview suggests that Koch screenwriters considered the script to be written after American entered the war. Bergman and the writers didn't know for sure until well into production which guy she was going to end up with (which actually explains my problem with Bergman's performance/character).
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link
Someone was asking about French verbs on your thread yesterday and i linked it. If you'd like my identity, you're more than welcome to it.
gabbnebb's right about the who ends up with whom at the end part. If I recall correctly, the 'beginning of a beautiful friendship' scene was shot weeks after principal photography was over.
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link
So now that we've outed the Eco within, do we have to say that, dispite it's obvious flaws, we've thought about it some more and we do like Casablanca after all, to show we are not slaves to the things we have read written by famous critics?
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link
Why ever not?
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link
TS Victor Laszlo vs. Laszlo Lowenstein vs. Laszlo Kovacs (I) vs. Laszlo Kovacs (II)
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ceezah, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link
To each his own then...
― Ceezah, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link
- Fabulous photography!!! Moody, striking, atmospheric, dramatic - the whole ball of wax.
- The plot is total cornball, but the pacing and dialogue are so crisp that you never have time to dwell on the silliness of it all. Each vignette is a perfect little bon-bon of entertainment. No waste. No chewing necessary.
- Claude Rains was having a ball and so were the scriptwriters for him. Every line he spoke was a gem. Probably a commentary on Hollywood studios in there.
- Not a good scenery-chewing Nazi to be found anywhere, just the ho-hum cardboard kind.
- It is very rainy and foggy in Morrocco. Who knew?
― Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link
"Ninochka""Andrei Rubylev""Broken Blossoms""Pandora's Box""Orphans of the Storm"that film w/Dirk Bogarde where he's a homosexual doctor who gets blackmailed (heh, sorry, bad memory)"Sabrina""Valley of Song""Kind Hearts and Coronets""Passport to Piml1co""Night of the Demon"
That's eleven, but never mind, and I'm not even getting into Ford or Kurosawa films, either.
So obviously, I don't think it's the best black & white film ever, though I do like it quite a lot.
I don't really give a shit about what "name" critics think, and am curious as to why you keep bolstering your arguments by bringing these people's opinions in, c*l*m.
Regarding films as "quotable" is a bit james brown-edited magazine-ist for me, but I suppose if I were no think of the most quotable film, it would be "Scarface"
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/images3/edisonposter.jpg
― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link