Star Wars 8 shit talk

Are they going to blow up the Death Star in this one?

also I thought for a second they brought back the B-Wing, but no

― The Jams Manager (1992, Brickster) (El Tomboto), Friday, April 14, 2017 12:42 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark

hooray for the son of the nebulon B medical frigate

I'd like to see Ackbar running in this one. Wouldn't he look weird running!

Anyway, frame by frame breakdown

http://io9.gizmodo.com/everything-the-last-jedi-trailer-reveals-about-the-futu-1794335007

keep shovelin that shit guys

the good thing about the whole "balance" bit is there is never going to be a point of absolute equilibrium so they can and will fight to "restore the balance" indefinitely

nah that's why the Jedi have to end, the only way to win is not to play

Not sure where to put this, but I teared up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE99le5FBrY

There's a doc about her and her mom that's awesome btw.

kind of nothingy tbh

kind of fearing that 30 minutes into this movie, after hearing Luke drone on about The Fall of the Jedi Prophecy for a while, intercut with ESB-style training montage and AT-ATs, this will be the dawning realization.

I'm more afraid it's an arc of Luke remembering failure and being afraid of progression that's balanced by Rey's training and quick proficiency, leading to his eventual realization they need to rise to the challenge

hoped we would see more of rey carrying luke around in a backpack

that was a very good picture

Whew, glad Shakey managed to drop by to float his periodic air biscuit. Has Dr. Borebius weighed in?

(I am at SW Celebration right now btw)

Just realized all those red dust cropdusters speeders are barreling towards whatever the nextgen Imperial Walkers are in the distance.

Also, I hope Carrie had an ironclad contract stip requiring her co-stars to do their media promo tours with Gary in tow, snoozing on the panel couches of whatever chat shows they're on

http://i.imgur.com/JLtuEB5.jpg

http://imgur.com/JLtuEB5

I attended the Mark Hamill tribute to Carrie last night and he told some hilarious stories, and got really emotional. I don't know if they'll put the video up but it's worth watching. He told the audience that this was an important part of his grief process because every time he thinks he's gotten to acceptance he bounces back to anger.

There was literally nothing in this trailer to justify comment folks

looks like someone decided to crop dust this thread

"nothing to comment on", comments ilx commenter 'darraghmac'

the comments are coming from inside the thread iirc

air biscuits for all!

Is celebration fun? It seems like it would be a lot if waiting in line

This is my fourth one, so it's fun for me, but your experience will vary depending on whether you want to attend the big panels (with the concomitant long, uncomfortable waits), just see the exhibitor floor, meet with collectors, people watch or whatever.

Just remembered the best anecdote Hamill told about Fisher: They were doing the speeder bike scenes for ROTJ and the AD asked them not to get down in between takes to save time. Fisher kept pulling philosophy paperbacks out of her costume -- Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, and so on -- and reading and highlighting them. Yanking her chain, he said, "Why do you bring those to the set when you've got the Enquirer and the Star back in your trailer?" She glared at him and said, "Because I want people to think I'm smart!"

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18010503_1421590321221281_612190387789377137_n.jpg?oh=c46d52bf765bcf787fbb62b9473613c4&oe=59816B34

My wife is in that crowd somewhere behind them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTqSkEbY_N8

Content warning: Red Letter Media doing nerd parody.

don't really understand what's going on there but i assume podcasts are bad

I think it's more YT shows trying to crassly monetize nerd fandom are bad

unless you're Chris Hardwick and laughing all the way to the fuckin bank

thing is they've been flogging this 'nerd crew' thing for several episodes. the sponsorship joke is part of it but there's also a strong anti-intellectualism, anti anybody that gets on a microphone and tries to talk thoughtfully about things. at least that's the only interpretation i can find for the glasses and the running "Me, personally..." thing. really sick of the direction these guys have decided to take over the years, but i think i've gone on about that on here recently.

Not attacking the sentiment but intellectualism is not well placed there Dr c

It's funny because at Celebration I went to a panel hosted by Dave Collins called "Rogue One: A Musical Analysis" (Collins often does music related panel) and it was really interesting. It was hardly graduate-level music theory, but he did pick out a lot of themes and explained some of the music-theoretical ideas of how they work, then went into a history of the Dies Irae, how composers have used it from Beethoven forward, and how it pops up in SW scores generally and Rogue One particularly. Really fun stuff.

And yet there's never been a panel at any of the Celebrations I've been to that does something similar from a film-theoretical standpoint, which might be equally as interesting.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

OTOH there was a Making of Rogue One panel with a hilarious gag reel not being released to the public, which included:

-- Render errors on their CGI Tarkin that made him a Cronenbergian nightmare
-- A version of the beach battle in which every shot from Baze's minigun or whatever resulted in a trooper's head exploding in a geyser of blood
-- A version of Jyn & Cassian's death on the beach done in the style of Dan Dreiberg's dream from "Watchmen," with the two turning into charred skeletons which then blow away into dust
-- The two officers in the Mon Calamari makeup -- since all their dialogue was going to be ADRed later -- filling in with lines like, "Sir, your IKEA delivery has arrived!" and "I think one of us farted!"

have you seen the nerd crews they are parodying? there are some that are just as bad as rlm portrays them.

https://youtu.be/vMtajiLLGWM?t=2m3s

omg Phil

RLM are just mining the same "performance art" cynical consumerism that passes for deepness these days.

i lol'd at the rainbow tie die shirt

have you seen the nerd crews they are parodying? there are some that are just as bad as rlm portrays them.

https://youtu.be/vMtajiLLGWM?t=2m3s

These people might wear glasses but they are idiots

the sponsorship joke is part of it but there's also a strong anti-intellectualism, anti anybody that gets on a microphone and tries to talk thoughtfully about things. at least that's the only interpretation i can find for the glasses and the running "Me, personally..." thing.

With the real fanboy vlogs, there's a level of love and attention to detail and I like that that still exists with (quasi-)artistic products. But there's also an uncritical acceptance of the gruel they're given and a hatred of any criticism that deserves to be taken down. There are a whole bunch of idiots wanting critics to be "objective" while also ignoring the many flaws of the products.

To bring it back to Star Wars, there are a number of superfans who also acknowledge the storytelling flaws in, say, ROTJ -- that ROTJ just wraps the loose ends up in a hurry. Then there are fans who want to work ewoks into a grand loops-within-loops theory of the holy sextology which is all one big film of course and how dare people criticize it.

christ that Rogue One outtakes thing sounds excellent.

The problem (well, A problem) is that RLM wants to have their cake and eat it too with regards to this fannishness - they're obviously very willing to be critical of Star Wars and the Star Wars money train, and when they're not indulging their one dude's racist tendencies and all of their "anti-PC" instincts, they can say some really sharp things about these movies.

But they still stake their bread and butter on videos which are basically clickbait for exactly these types of fans, and focus nearly all of their coverage on the same parade of big Hollywood action/genre movies that everybody else is reviewing on their podcasts and vlog-casts and what have you. They're never fed up enough to just say "we're gonna stop doing Star Wars videos," so it's not like they're totally outside this particular entertainment economy. Beating up on the people who accept all the swag and give totally uncritical reviews of stuff is low-hanging fruit and it's a low bar for them to clear imo. I'm not the first to point this out even on ILX but it's like, if you guys are going to spend every review pointing out how every movie is cynical cash-in schlock, maybe you could... watch some non-schlocky movies? In a way it's more forgivable that the Ewok-bedsheet people don't cover independent/art-house/foreign/whatever fare because it's clear they're thrilled to death with what Hollywood is giving them.

they embrace capitalism while feigning an intellectual superiority to it. that they have little to say past critiquing how others consume this media belies that they have a lack of ideas in the first place. the pose itself has become the sole idea. it's the same thing as FJM. we aren't just consuming media anymore, flattering yourself and your consumer pose is just as important, even moreso.

Beating up on the people who accept all the swag and give totally uncritical reviews of stuff is low-hanging fruit and it's a low bar for them to clear imo

this is why it's so popular these days. you can get the swag and still act superior to getting the swag.

when the promotional machine is at its most obscene ppl want some negativity and cynicism. everyone being complicit in capitalism is irrelevant, it's just a reaction

I missed the first part of this. Is this a trade federation thing?

nah, building meter data mainly

I find RLM kind of perplexing. Like, I really do appreciate and enjoy some of their analysis, and yet ... to this day I can't tell if they actually know anything about movies. Their approach is so focused on dumb mainstream/blockbuster movies (and fanboy bait) that it just heightens their cynicism, like a self-imposed limitation. Have they ever reviewed anything seriously out of their wheelhouse? Even when they go retro, or re-view or whatever they call it, it's some '80s cult sci-fi-fi or something, and even then Mike never seems to like anything. Like, how could any film geek his age have never seen Escape from NY, let alone disliked it? He obviously doesn't like a lot of the movies they cover, for obvious reasons, but what could/would he say about, say, "Psycho," or "Bringing Up Baby," or "Lawrence of Arabia" or "Throne of Blood" or "M" or something?

The only thing I'll say about their 'retro' reviews is that it IS nice to see them coming out and praising things done right from time to time. The Tremors one was not a revelation by any means, but still, since they've made their name on tearing down badly-structured and thoughtlessly-executed shit, good to know that they can recognize and call out when something's done right, when the effects and plot mechanics are worth praising. The long prequel reviews had hints of this when they'd call out smart blocking and composition in Empire or the strength of the characters in Star Wars, etc., and I feel like if they would put in the effort they could serve as a sort of covert film-school education for their "sucks/doesn't suck" audience.

But yeah, the only remotely 'weird' movie they've done so far with that is Eraserhead, and tbh I'd be happy even to see them watching, like, Bullitt or the original Magnificent Seven - if they really don't want to get out of the blockbuster rut there are non-schlock blockbusters susceptible to their style of analysis!

I'm old enough to remember that "Tremors" was hailed as an extremely well done B-movie at the time, but it was nice to see them assess it as such again.

they have a series, Best of the Worst, that is pretty good and covers a lot of stuff that is not very mainstream at all (some of the stuff they cover are weird promotional videos etc). the star wars thing was likely the effort of a bunch of people all working together on it for months whereas most of their videos are just a handful of people shooting the shit for an hours.

that said i don't think i've seen them cover a movie older than Star Wars. they are focused on a generation of films, one we are still (oppressively) in. i'm fine w people sticking to what they know and like best. everyone doesn't have to be an expert on everything. these guys talk about b-movies.