Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

Go nuts

fuck off

stop

No LaBoof, at least.

is Lucas involved?

Spielberg has directed every film in the franchise. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, the last film, opened in 2008 and starred Ford opposite Shia LaBeouf, who the producers hoped could over the baton, but the mission failed.

YOU DON'T SAY.

No immediate mention of Lucas.

I sincerely hope they continue with this futile effort until they've made at least one straight Indiana Jones adventure film when Ford is in his 90s.

Which'll be great because then it'll be set in the 1970s.

Five minutes in, he jumps off a moving boogie van and immediately shatters his hip.

Indiana Jones and the Somewhat Boring 1975 Conference of the Society for American Archaeology

Indiana Jones and the Mullahs of Tehran

its sad that harrison ford will be irl dead by the time this comes out but it will be a nice tribute :(

Ben Affleck already did the Indy/Iran thing at the end of ... -- i literally can't remember the title of that Oscar-winning horseshit.

so is this going to be about Atlantis or what. maybe they can do Spear of Destiny w the Boys From Brazil

They're replacing the Nazis with hippies in this one.

xxpost iirc the title was Raiders of the Lost Argo

broken hippies

The tentpole will hit theaters in summer 2019.

now everybody--

Indiana Jones and the 1968 Democratic Convention

Indiana Jones and the Texas Book Depository

Indiana Jones and the Tet Offensive

Indiana Jones and his Ancient ol' Petrified Gnads

i can see him evacuating embassies from Saigon to Manila

Khrushchev rouses himself long enough from his drunken stupor to hatch a plan to recover the last known piece of the true cross, which bestows upon its holder powers of agricultural progress and effective macroeconomic mastery of the command economy. septuagenarian indiana jones believes the piece belongs in a museum, and embarks on a globe-trotting quest to beat the kgb to the quarry

John Williams score to ape Henry Mancini rather than Korngold

just realised that Harrison Ford is only 12 years younger than Sean Connery

‏@NickPinkerton
Glad I'll once again be able to bask in the palpable sense of joy that Harrison Ford exudes when standing in front of a movie camera.

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull 2

If the original films were meant to be an homage to serials from the '30s and '40s and set during that same era, it only makes sense that an Indiana Jones film set in the '60s would pay tribute to cinema from that era. I'm thinking something like Bonnie & Clyde meets Easy Rider? There will definitely be at least one extended psychedelic trip sequence.

Maybe more like I Am Curious (Yellow) meets Head. I dunno, there are so many possibilities!

Indiana Jones and the Return of the Napping Chair

Guardian sez Lucas is a producer

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/mar/15/harrison-ford-back-as-indiana-jones-for-fifth-film-directed-by-steven-spielberg

Indiana Jones and the Filming of Raiders of the Lost Ark

Rip van Harford finally woke up in TFA. Maybe they promised to kill off Indiana in this new one.

Would tributes be more likely to be original Man From Uncle/Mission Impossible/Bond?

Or something like Arabesque/Charade/Topkapi/To Catch a thief or similar if those actually are.

JUst trying to think of exotic adventure from the 60s. Probably forgetting something more directly involving archaeology.

man you guys are really into fan fiction

like you know there's no way in hell this will resemble any films from the 60s, right?

that's kind of the ironic thing, adventure movies kind of died out by the 60s, one of the reasons they had to reach back to the 30s for Indy in the first place.

Indiana Jones and the Apartment

I Am Curious (Jones)

bah Old Lunch beat me to it

Fifths

Indiana Jones & the Jonathan Livingston Seagull

It's an Indy Indy Indy Indy Indy Indy Indy World

what a disaster for shia thebeef

i hope they explain his absence with a brief aside explaining he was fragged by his platoon in korea

Which'll be great because then it'll be set in the 1970s.

― Ned Raggett

Indiana Jones and the Magic Powder of Studio 54.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlKao_Pox5A

They're replacing the Nazis with hippies in this one.

― Horse Throat (Old Lunch), Tuesday, March 15, 2016 1:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so, this is basically the dragnet 1968 to the original trilogy's dragnet?

They should set this one in 1962 and make it a James Bond crossover. Indiana Jones and the Dr. No.

will no one laugh at my frankheimer joke

trust me, I know what method is! we had a Meisner studio adjacent to ours for months during a production where I heard the weird exercises they were doing. my comment on trying to mimic the voice was more to respond to Alfred's comment about bragging about the 'research' that was done. my comment about 'fart jokes before going on stage' was to point out I didn't sit there delving into my emotional memory bank to locate the feelings for Byck (mostly because I have nothing relevant for what that dude was feeling). i was just able to turn the feelings on and off internally like a light-switch when I was on-stage. many actors are! it's valid, but it's often devalued for Method approach. especially Meisner with the "living truthfully" exercises they do.

to Noodle's point, I've worked for directors who insisted that if you weren't using the Method approach you weren't really in character, which used to infuriate me, mostly because it only works for some people. and for some people it is harmful because it causes them to dredge up harmful memories and damages their mental health. one friend broke down crying after a production of Closer for that exact reason.

Ford I think makes good choices and knows how to balance warmth and comedy deftly, without trying to steal scenes or pull focus. and is good at showing grit.

Ford’s especially great in Frantic iirc

I cant recall any memorable performances from the late 90s till Bladerunner 2049

He definitely phones it in “Crystal Skull”

I’m glad he seems to be “back” even if the stuff he’s appearing in is still middling

GET OFF MAH PLANE

ok I guess that's not evidence for my side so much

i know you know what you're talking about Neanderthal precisely because you're engaged with it, that's where the "method or nothing" line looks so dumb

Interesting to see Mitchum brought up here because having read that Lee Server bio of his he was almost always openly disdainful of the "craft" of acting, which certainly makes him look cooler than a lot of the self-serious thesps but there was also something sad about it for me, like at root he couldn't handle the idea that this was a decent job for a Man to have despite being so self-evidently superb at it. Harrison Ford from what I see whenever he pops up in media junkets and such - and I'll admit I haven't followed too closely - seems to me very much in that tradition, and again that's refreshing on some levels ("who gives a fuck" def the correct take to have about Star Wars in 2023), a bit sad on others.

Overt dismissal is as bad as wheezing on and on about how difficult acting is.

i.e. not good for the profession

for some people it is harmful because it causes them to dredge up harmful memories and damages their mental health

yes totally - your own emotions can get v uncontrollable v fast

have you ever read "a practical handbook for the actor"? it's from people who studied at mamet's atlantic theatre company and i think you'd like some of what they say. eg don't worry about "being the character". if you're playing abraham lincoln, put on the hat and beard and people will believe you're abraham lincoln, we're all adults here. what people want to see is what YOU bring to the part

i was gonna go further into the Mitchum thing to say yes he's been used as an outspoken critic of craft for a long time but it's more complex than that, the links and quotes on that page i linked are more complicated than simple "method bad/natural character good"

reading thru he's not saying this, or can't be quoted saying this, it's about ways of performing rather than dismissing the job of performing

in short i wouldn't give much credence to the most quoted Mitchum lines about acting any more than i would give credence to any other famous person quote swilling around the net

Oh I def didn't mean that he was saying anything about method acting, the kind of self-important Acting Mitchum was fond of deflating didn't start with the Method.

The quotes I'm thinking of are not "swilling around the net" tho, they come from a deeply researched biography, albeit one I read 10+ years ago and don't have on hand to quote from.

sorry Daniel i haven't read the biog so i'm not saying Mitchum wasn't prone to posturing about this stuff. i was thinking that he's the go-to example for other people who wanna posture about it and the truth is probably more complex, like it always is. it was intersting reading things where he definitely wasn't completely dismissive of the job of acting

Mitchum of an appropriate age would've been a perfectly good Indiana Jones btw

I have nothing relevant for what that dude was feeling

i doubt this tbh - and you say you were able to turn him on/off like a lightswitch so there's something in there

that book i mentioned talks about using "as ifs" - you use something from your own experience, or that you can easily imagine, and say "you know, if AS IF i was trying to convince an airline employee to let me on the plane after the gate was closed" and that's enough of a goose to your sensibilities to let your body and mind feel it.. like.. ahh yep, that's the vibe i need

the affective memory thing is famous because it's controversial (now as then) and prob the root of the DDL-style immersion we now mean when we say method, but all the other stuff that came from stanislavsky (relaxation, focus, deliberation, the "magic if") now seems so obvious i think we forget someone had to think of it

much virtue in if

yes totally

Tracer that feels much closer to my understanding of what the Method is than the extreme examples that are celebrated by fans of lads behaving badly

I always cringe when I hear about stuff like Jared Leto's method approach to the Joker of all things...every performer needs to find the approach that works for them, which makes sense simply because every individual is going to be different emotionally and psychologically with very different life experiences, but unfortunately the inherent nature of method acting makes any misguided practice of it especially appalling.

Even with the best practitioners, it's pretty unsettling to me. I remember years ago Philip Seymour Hoffman mentioned on a talk show (probably Charlie Rose) that acting to him was "pretending to have feelings that aren't really there," and I have a vague recollection that he framed it as an explanation as to why acting to him was not only difficult but risky or potentially damaging. It wasn't something he wanted to elaborate, and I remember it being a quick, rushed answer, but it was a disturbing concept. I never forgot it, and when he died years later, it was hard not to think about it - I think the New Yorker even did a profile that seemed to link his craft with the turmoil he had gone through over the years.

It's even possible he said "create" or "imagine" feelings rather than just "pretend" which would be more disturbing...it's been so long and I only saw it once, so my memory of it may have changed. Wish I had a copy so I can get it right.

I imagine the pressure to perform is harder as a screen actor because if you are doing a stage production and one day think to yourself "fuck, I'm in over my head here", yeah, you could get savaged in the press, and yeah, some vids might show up on Youtube, but in a movie, your shit performance is preserved in amber for everyone to see and clown endlessly. not to mention some of the punishing circumstances people are put into on set.

so I can see perhaps doing everything possible to give yourself an edge there, including pushing yourself over the edge mentally speaking.

Also, all Leto's method acting stuff leads to incredibly irritating and unconvincing performances. In BR 2049, for example, he kills the film dead every time he appears.

i'm probably a "but that's the point!" guy more often than is tolerable but BR2049 really does test this to its limit: no no that's the point of course the impotent scion of a corporate god would be callow and pretentious! this callow and pretentious tho?

(i guess jeremy strong is what this looks like when it rly is the point)

If it hadn't been written about ad nauseam, I wouldn't have guessed that Strong was method acting. He's so good and unforced! Leto is the opposite: big effort, totally unconvincing.

If it hadn't been written about ad nauseam, I wouldn't have guessed that Strong was method acting.

same applies to leto tho-- if variety told me "his process is peculiar: he insists on not knowing anything about the role until five minutes before camera, when he receives his lines and invents a funny voice on the spot" i'd be like "makes sense"

https://www.cnet.com/a/img/resize/f276f287ca657d3a26444d14161e25149a951718/hub/2021/07/30/1052ee5d-bc80-4994-b23f-8da620eb7e43/screen-shot-2021-07-30-at-11-04-39-am-copy.png

https://i.ibb.co/jbyGfK4/bof.jpg

same applies to leto tho-- if variety told me "his process is peculiar: he insists on not knowing anything about the role until five minutes before camera, when he receives his lines and invents a funny voice on the spot" i'd be like "makes sense"

Tom Hardy's process, no?

Frantic and the Fugitive obv great vehicles for Ford's acting; I also remember loving the Mosquito Coast, which I haven't rewatched in probably 25 years.

It was bizarre watching Dial of Destiny (shit title) now refracted through the 40 years of action-adventure culture - the anonymous National Treasures and Mummy movies, Myst-like puzzle games and their progeny, etc. - and just how far removed we are from the original idea: taking a cheap Republic b-movie serial plot and going at it with all the forces of Big Hollywood. Not altogether different from Die Hard's original blueprint of a taking a basic heist film and making everything about it, no matter how small, as awesome as possible.

Also like the Die Hard movies, none of the subsequent Indiana Jones sequels ever got it just quite right like the first one, each one less memorable than the previous, until you get to movie #4 when the movies themselves are abstracted into only one identifiable part: it's the one with Shia LaBeouf; it's the one with Kevin Smith. By movie #5, Jones and McClane are, glum, angry, and never in charge of themselves - only reacting to whatever the plot is doing at that moment. Kinda like these final sequels themselves... who would even be excited to work on this? Just shove it out and make sure those checks clear before the strike.

I felt sorry for Indy. He never would have been able to publish anything related to his government work in archeology for national security reasons. His major finds are warehoused away and forgotten (is Hangar 18 an accredited museum?). Undergrads were flirting with him in the first movie, now they openly mock him. All those years of fighting Nazis and now they're throwing a ticker tape parade for the men who flew to the moon on Nazi rockets. I suppose if Indy had cooperated better he could have retired to a nice place out in Long Island, but knowing him he probably said "that belongs in a museum" to a Rockefeller or some benefactor that could ensure he'd never ever get tenure.

Good post, especially last paragraph - though I maintain that this film is much better than #4, and also FWIW better than #2. I think that age and pathos ('I feel sorry for Indy') can contribute something of value rather than just detracting.

Watched #2 again over the weekend and, while the Short Round/Indy relationship is fun and endearing and the first sacrifice scene is all-time the rest of the flick, I felt like I was watching some other adventure film and not Indian Jones. Plus most of the thing takes place *in a cave*. And then, a lifetime later, we're out on some cliffs.

*Indiana Jones

Finally saw this today & don’t know why I bothered.

Phoebe v enjoyable, Ford fine, some of the early Nazi quips were good. the end.

The Antikythera device? rmde Look. i agree that much like the ~idea~ of crystal skulls it has an interesting actual history
but the heavy lifting required to turn this into a plot device is really stupid.
keep it in the woo-woo supernatural/occult realm, do NOT start explaining at length how this shit works for all of our sakes

unlike the ark or the grail there is never a concise handwavey “ok got it” explanation of what it is or does or what the stakes are

so we’re nowhere as soon as it’s revealed.

and then it levels up into a timetravel device? wait ok but ~not really~ because it jpoints to possible time fissures … uuughhhh YOU GUYS JFC
li’m already bored
whaaaaat are we doing

OH but we’ll make it pay off because we are ~fully~ going back to Chekhovs siege of syracuse by flying a fucking plane through a time tunnel

we’re shooting roman centurions
indy wants to … stay … here with archimedes
yep nbd we’re hanging out in 212 BC Sicily chatting to archimedes in ancient greek

what the actual fuck are we doing here please

am I watching motherfucking Bill and Ted
PLEASE STOP THIS AT ONCE

spielberg’s absence as a director was noticeable in that this shit was dull as hell and then levelled up into pure stupid absolute liquid shit

oh and we’ll end with indy in a shitty ny apartment with nothing except some perfunctory makeup sex w his ex wife & maybe cry abt their dead son afterwards

great job everyone clap clap

a truly lifeless movie
zero fun, no stars

what about wet Banderas

loved!

old indy: ah, old wet banderas, my old friend!
...
old indy: stop having fun! my old friend, wet banderas, is dead!

He didn't seem that broken up about his colleagues being murdered though...

banderas was great, i was relieved when he showed up, like oh he’ll be a good companion but then no

indiana jones and the dull of density morelike amirite

Yeah I totally agree about the Antikythera stuff

Was Indy meant to be an explicit villain in this? He pries the dial from a mentally disturbed friend promising to destroy it but catalogs it in the stacks instead and forgets about it and also about checking up on his supposed goddaughter. I guess the series as a whole has an implicit undercurrent of Indy being a graverobbing cad but there's a distinct lack of heroic tone in this movie.

It is very funny to me how they de-aged Harrison Ford’s face but not his voice or his body movements

I wanted to see this but Veg's comments have stopped me

(Literally - I thought "uh oh" and I've been put off ever since)

if i can give back in some small way

It looks absolutely sensational - the colours and the editing and the camerawork are all just ridiculously satisfying. The henchmen are extremely A+ henchmen. One laconic, drawling hothead, bursting out of his too-tight shirt, and one mountain of a man who I think never speaks, just hurls scenery around. Phoebe Waller-Bridge does her thing, and it’s great. A lot of the pieces are there. But none of it really adds up, and Ford is just a nullity. Would have been better as a Tin Tin movie imo

Oh and the script is super hacky. Stuff you’d cringe at even in an Uncharted cut scene. At one point Indy grabs the contested artifact and yells “to the victor go the spoils!”

That said the Tangier bit was very good I thought

One laconic, drawling hothead, bursting out of his too-tight shirt

That's Boyd Holbrook, who's great as Lackey #1 in Logan too.

Also very good as DEA Agent Steve Murphy in first couple of seasons of Narcos