at swim, two boys: gay novels

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what's your favorite gay novel?

are thre new ones worth reading? I recently had Richard House's Bruiser at my bedside which I liked.

erik, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 05:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Does the film 'Cruising' count? That's a classic, plus it's got the Germs in it!

dave q, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 07:01 (twenty-three years ago)

a long long time ago i liked "the swimming pool library" by alan hollinghurst. if you haven't already read it it might be worth a look.

angela (angela), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 07:21 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, I read the swimming pool library. in it they discovered lost footage of ronald firbank in italy, he had a chaplin walk and all the little boys in town imitated him as he walked up a hill i would have loved to see it that

erik, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 07:36 (twenty-three years ago)

I read the Penguin Book of Gay Stories, which was very good. It's not a novel, but it might lead you to novelists of interest. I've been meaning to read AM Home, but never get round to it.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 07:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Edmund White's A Boy's Own Story might be my favourite. And Jeanette Winterson's Oranges Are Not The Only Fruit, if lesbians are allowed (I mean, they're virtually mandatory in most ILE threads...).

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 10:45 (twenty-three years ago)

It scares me how often I hit upon a thread at a juncture like this...

I too like Jeanette Winterson. Especially 'Written on the Body'.

Lara, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 13:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't laugh you literary types but I thought "Fried Green Tomotoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe" was a very cute gay story which unfortunately (alas typically) was lost in the film !

polka, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 13:09 (twenty-three years ago)

paul russell's a pretty neat novelist in this particular genre. well, kind of. at least 'sea of tranquillity' is pretty good. i heard his most recent one was bad, though.

what what (whatwhat), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 16:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Edmund White's A Boy's Own Story

WHY did you like this Martin? I found it really bleh and then I read about Edmund White and I wasn't surprised.

I read Alan Hollinghurst's 'The Folding Star' and god that was boring.

Help me - I want to go the gay way but all the books seem rub.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 16:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Easy, Dhalgren. Or if you prefer the Neveryon books.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 17:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Irving Rosenthal-Sheeper. Speedy gay beatnik hippie ramblings. Very beautiful in a trashy way.

John Rechy's City of Night is a bit corny and dated now, but it's hard-hitting ! Gritty! Really fun! And much better than anything else he's written. It 's a hustler's voyage through the seedy gay underworld in the major American cities in the 50s.

Finally read Gore Vidal's The City and the Pillar, loved it. Elegant tale of first love between two teen boys in the 50s.

James Purdy-Eustace Chisholm and the Works or In a Shallow Grave Creepy, gothic (in the Flannery O'Connor sense), romantic in a lush, pre-Stonewall sort of way. My favorite writer.

Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 18:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Finally read Gore Vidal's The City and the Pillar, loved it.

Let me second its worth, but Arthur, you're making it sound like a hesistant and shy coming-of-age novel when it's much more of a something-happens-one-night situation that ends up obsessing one protagonist for years to come while the other person puts it out of sight, out of mind. Also, surely it was more the 30s. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 18:39 (twenty-three years ago)

er....Ned, can you give some more info on the Neveryon books (sounds fantasy)

erik, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 19:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I guess I was thinking that Vidal's style is elegant and restrained in comparison to City of Night and Sheeper. And I think we're both wrong, it was probably early 40s, as it's based on the big love-of-his-life high school affair. And doesn't the other person end up going off to war? Can't remember.

Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 19:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned, can you give some more info on the Neveryon books (sounds fantasy)

It is -- Samuel Delany's take on sword and sorcery, with a heavy gay/transgressive context and content. It works better as exploratory metaphor, I guess, but the third book, which draws parallels between ye olden plagues and AIDS, is if heavy-handed still very dreamlike and strange, with a strong ending.

Arthur -- yeah, I thought that the whole idea was the one guy who can't get over it eventually serves in the Army during the War, then ends up in Hollywood. There was some collection of Vidal's early short stories or something that recently came out, couple of good ones in there I seem to recall, though in part that's due to context (one was about the bright young thing being expelled from college due to being caught with *gasp!* another young man! -- in an age where the lesbian/gay center on campus is right below my feet where I work, that type of story just shows how much has changed at least in some areas).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 19:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Top Twenty

01) Death in Venice by Thomas Mann

02) On the Road-Kerouac

03) The Immoralist by Andre Gide

04) Billy Budd-Mellville

05) Symposium-Plato

06) Confessions of a Mask -Yukio Mishima

07) The Talented Mr Ripley-Highsmith

08) Cities of the Red Night-Burroughs

09) The Berlin Stories-Christopher Isherwood

10) Death Comes for the Archbishop -Willa Cather

11) Head Hunter-Findley

12) The Persian Boy - Mary Renault

13) Funny Boy -Shyam Selvadurai

14) The Coming Storm-Russell

15) Aimee and Jaguar-Fischer

16) The Naked Civil Servant-Crisp

17) Other Voices, Other Rooms-Capote

18) Myer Breckinbridge-Vidal

19) Collected Short Fictions-Saki

20) Maurice-Forrester

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 08:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think I've read any gay novels. I read The Naked Civil Servant, but that's not a novel. I did see Quentin Crisp on the street once. Oh, and I saw the movie Maurice (yawn). I'm not much for novels, let alone gay ones. I've seen a lot of porn, though.

Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 16:03 (twenty-three years ago)

N: I thought Edmund White wrote really beautiful prose, and I found the central character compelling and completely believable. However, some of those Anthony mentions I like even more - Mishima in particular, probably.

The gay aspect of Dhalgren (my favourite novel) and the Neveryon quartet seems too small for me really to think of them as gay novels, Ned.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 19:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Fair enough, I guess I was thinking more in terms of the issues raised -- gender in particular is the focus of Neveryon at many points, whereas Dhalgren is more of a wider society-after-collapse vision. (I have a strong fondness for that book myself, it was one of the two core texts of the paper that got me into grad school, though my senior honors thesis was actually about John Webster and E. R. Eddison...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)

big ups to Mishima (though I don't think of him as a gay novelist (though this is either down to placing him in/against a continuum of japanese modernism; or that I'd use "homoerotic" rather than gay as a mental descriptor, shrug) => (actually, I don't think of anything as a "gay novel" first & foremost) (haha though maybe "queer").

& yeah, anthony's list is really really good.

Ess Kay (esskay), Thursday, 24 October 2002 00:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey Anthony I just read "The Immoralist" and it was utterly grebt.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 24 October 2002 02:23 (twenty-three years ago)

A few more...

Queer -- Burroughs

Giovanni's Room & Another Country -- Baldwin

The Falconer -- Cheever

All of the Victorian novels if Eve Sedgwick is to be believed...

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 24 October 2002 02:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Maurice = E.M Forster

Anthony, what's Selvadurai's Funny boy about...please?

erik, Thursday, 24 October 2002 07:16 (twenty-three years ago)

ANTHONY ROOLZ!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 24 October 2002 09:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Funny Boy is a collection of fictional (but autobiographical seeming) stories about growing up gay in Sri Lanka. A friend lent it to me and I would recommend it.

I've been thinking about it recently. There's a story in it about a young boy who when his extended family gather every Sunday unbeknownst to the adults goes and plays with the girls. He stars as the bride in their favorite game of wedding. My cousin's son who's six is currently going through a major princess phase. Snow White, the Sleeping Beauty, the Little Mermaid, he loves them all. He confided in some friends that he really was a princess! When we watched Beauty and the Beast together, he told me that he wouldn't marry him if he was a beast. Very sensible I would have thought.

Amarga (Amarga), Friday, 25 October 2002 09:42 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, its brilliant and funny and sad and useful in a way that opens up cultures, but refused to explain. didnt give me a hard on though.

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:14 (twenty-three years ago)

did tadzio...give you?

erik, Friday, 25 October 2002 13:55 (twenty-three years ago)

bruiser is great!

percipitate, Sunday, 27 October 2002 15:24 (twenty-three years ago)

yes. in that deca dent my cock is dying of tb way.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 27 October 2002 17:09 (twenty-three years ago)

ART DECOck

erik, Sunday, 27 October 2002 19:45 (twenty-three years ago)

hey what's that chester himes bk that is a homo love story set in prison, does anyone know what i'm talkin about? that is a weird book. & it came out in the 30s with all these excisions & changes like the main guy is changed from a white guy to a black guy 'cause they didnt think a black guy should be writing a book with a white main character & they took out all the homo stuff, man what would've been left?(don't know 'cause haven't read the old version)
"city of night " is great, it is so stiff & solemn describng all this sex shit, it is really funny. i don't know if it is supposed to be tho. reading his other bks i guess maybe not.

unknown or illegal user (doorag), Monday, 28 October 2002 02:07 (twenty-three years ago)

The Himes is Cast The First Stone, but it didn't come out until 1952 (same year as Invisible Man, levered-in-reminder fans!). An underrated writer, I think - too many people skip from Native Son to IM without noting the early Himes. I expect it's because he wrote less mainline literary stuff later, in the terrific Harlem crime novels around Grave Digger and Coffin Ed - that generally means people take you less seriously. I was thinking of him while reading Ellison's Juneteenth, in that there are quotes on the outside (supported by the cover image) claiming it as a "jazz novel", whatever that is, and I was wondering what whoever said that would say about Blind Man With A Pistol, my favourite Himes and a novel enormously closer to jazz, I think.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:17 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...

http://www.marginfilms.com/dresslikeaboy/dress/frontback.jpg

erik, Wednesday, 11 December 2002 23:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Evelyn Waugh's "Brideshead Revisited"

webcrack (music=crack), Thursday, 12 December 2002 04:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Witi Ihimaera's "Nights In The Garden Of Spain".

Ess Kay (esskay), Thursday, 12 December 2002 05:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Anarchy by James Roebrt Baker - Christine Deneuve makes guest appearence as gate keeper of heaven.

Queen G (Queeng), Thursday, 12 December 2002 13:21 (twenty-three years ago)

ten years pass...

so, The Gallery (1947) by John Horne Burns, anyone? Quite a shooting-star bio.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/magazine/john-horne-burns-the-great-gay-novelist-youve-never-heard-of.html

ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 20:41 (twelve years ago)

five months pass...

^I'm reading The Gallery and man the two gayest chapters are all-timers.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 19:36 (twelve years ago)

I could barely finish it a few months ago but yeah those chapters.

A couple of recs:

William Maxwell - The Folded Leaf
Alan Hollinghurst - The Line of Beauty
Gore Vidal - The Judgment of Paris

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 19:40 (twelve years ago)

'The Line of Beauty' is fantastic

Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 20:02 (twelve years ago)

six years pass...

Looking for recs during this sedentary time!.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 May 2020 17:43 (six years ago)


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