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Someone started a thread about Grant Morrison. So I was wondering about comics in general. Personally I love comics from the 70s. Love that Jack Kirby stuff. Kamandi - The Last Boy On Earth, New Gods, Forever People, etc. The Hands of Shang-Chi, Master of Kung-Fu, Tomb of Dracula, Howard the Duck, whatever. Maybe it's just cause i liked them as a kid, but the current superheor stuff looks so lame. The 70s stuff is so, well, 70s. Anyone else dig it?

― g (graysonlane), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 18:53 (twenty-three years ago)

i like stuff like eightball, the drawn and quarterly stuff ... some b&w self-published stuff. ya. i was once really obsessive about it but now i just buy them every once in a while just for fun.

― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 19:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I love comics.

James Kochalka and X-men are the best.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 19:02 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.chick.com/catalog/comics/images/102c.jpg

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

(jel i just bought the kochalka sketchbook diaries thing for nancy. it's great!)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

oh and Urusei Yatsura as well.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 19:05 (twenty-three years ago)

cool jess, that one is pretty good (well all his stuff is!). An excellent thing to get given! I think I'll reread it this evening.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I love comics. I love in particular British comics of the late '70s and early '80s, or older Brit comics that were reprinted in that period. You know, "2000AD" before it went up its arse, "Doctor Who Weekly/Monthly", "Battle", even the relaunched Eagle to some extent.

I like American comics too, but I came to them much later.

I think the whole revisionist comics thing is now played out and people should pretend Alan Moore & Frank Miller never happened.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Meh, they are okay. And yet my apartment is filled with huge archives of them, thanks to my husband's deep unabiding love of comix.

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 21:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the whole revisionist comics thing is now played out and people should pretend Alan Moore & Frank Miller never happened.

Does this mean we get to bring back Beepo???

― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 21:48 (twenty-three years ago)

When I was younger I liked some of the mainstream stuff like X-men, Batman, Spawn,and also Groo. Now I want to get into some more indie comics. I read some Maus, the Watchmen, Madman, etc. but they aren't indie enough for me. I want really surreal comics, like some french ones of edward gorey. any recommendations?

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 00:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Love 'em. Not so much the mainstream superhero-y stuff (although I *heart* Alan Moore & Neil Gaiman). Underground comics - particularly those by Los Bros Hernandez / Dan Clowes / Chris Ware - are *grebt*.

― robster (robster), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 09:14 (twenty-three years ago)

there is always room for chat about comics on ILE. unfortunately it usually degenerates into stuff about the x-men. actually this is not true. but i wish it NEVER did do that. I've recently seen Safe Area Gorazde propped up in book shops as "recommended" or "recent books" which makes me v happy

― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 09:32 (twenty-three years ago)

The reason the XMen turns up is because some of the more interesting people from what was alternative 10 years ago are now writing/drawing them.

Not liking comics because of preconceived notions of the characters == "Wolverine ROCKS!"

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 10:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I love them but I don't read them anymore. I'm with the DV about 70s/80s Brit comics.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 10:11 (twenty-three years ago)

me too, but only the bloodthirsty war ones that I used to get, ie Victor and Warlord, not to mention Battle.

Also battle picture library mini-books.

I used to have loads but they all got thrown out.

― chris (chris), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 10:19 (twenty-three years ago)

The reason I can't get too excited about the X-Books being written by cool people now is that it's kind of like Britney going in a 'more mature direction' or A1 'writing their own songs' - it's nothing to do with why they were good/bad in the first place.

(On the other hand it might be like Britney and Xtina getting the Neptunes in. If only I had someone I could borrow this stuff off to find out.)

Are comics the only file-sharing proof medium?? (i.e. in terms of the complete impracticality of scanning in issues and reading them online)

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 10:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I've recently seen Safe Area Gorazde propped up in book shops as "recommended" or "recent books" which makes me v happy

would you recommend Safe Area then, alang? i acquired a copy of Palestine while in beirut and it RoXoR (very abrupt ending, though).

― rener, Wednesday, 23 October 2002 10:43 (twenty-three years ago)

absolutely. Safe Area Gorazde i've been banging on about for ages -- it's just wonderful.

The reason the XMen turns up is because some of the more interesting people from what was alternative 10 years ago are now writing/drawing them.
Yes. But it's STILL the X-Men, about mutants with super powers, getting in fights. woo. sorry, i just can't stick such stuff, even as "bubblegum" entertainment like i would take in at the cinema (go figure). i suppose this is of a piece with why i found strontium dog among the stuff in 2000AD i found really dull.

― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom: sculpture is fairly resistant to file sharing.

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 11:39 (twenty-three years ago)

I dunno - theres a sculpture collective down Cornwall way who share all their tools, not just files.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 13:39 (twenty-three years ago)

some of the more interesting people from what was alternative 10 years ago are now writing/drawing them

Peter Bagge's X-Men.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 14:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Are comics the only file-sharing proof medium?? (i.e. in terms of the complete impracticality of scanning in issues and reading them online)

You can read Marvel comics online:

http://dotcomics.marvel.com/menu_flash.htm

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 14:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Alan - you may snore loudly at night, but your opinions of comics are suspect. I mean, mutants with superpowers getting into fights - what could be more brilliant?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 15:50 (twenty-three years ago)

ANYTHING. blank pages. a big badly-drawn picture of a nob.

― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 16:29 (twenty-three years ago)

that sounds like an equally good comic... do you know where I can get it?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 16:42 (twenty-three years ago)

The reason X-Men is interesting right now is that, as Grant Morrison, God bless him, knows, they provide a VERY useful and flexible metaphor for talking about all sorts of stuff that would make little sense and terrible entertainment if you discussed it without a ground to give it praxis.

― Douglas, Wednesday, 23 October 2002 18:16 (twenty-three years ago)

See What are your favourite comics? for some more suggestions.

Tom: the X-Men is terrific now because it's just like comics used to be, i.e. top exciting adventures, with the best cliffhangers ever, plus intelligence behind it, but not in a Gaiman "This is Serious Literature, not mere comics" way, but in a Buffy way.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I liked the Jim Lee period X-Men best.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 20:32 (twenty-three years ago)

SO you guys actually read them? I just look at the pictures actually. Just kidding. Love and Rockets was fantastic for a while.

― g (graysonlane), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 20:34 (twenty-three years ago)

hey alan, "a big badly-drawn (picture of a) nob" do you see:

http://home.graffiti.net/buglebear/bb.gif

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

"but in a Buffy way"

and it was all going SO WELL!

Actually every time I see Buffy (which is fairly often as you might imagine) I think awww, Claremont X-Men.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 23:34 (twenty-three years ago)

good surreal comics?

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 23:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually every time I see Buffy (which is fairly often as you might imagine) I think awww, Claremont X-Men.

Less wordy though, surely? "Raise your hand if ew" vs "yes, I disguise all my insecurity under this tough shell/strong leadership/buffoon image, but in reality I am not sure that this is even where I belong- or anywhere, for that matter"

Plus, Nightcrawler CAN'T FUCKING SPEAK GERMAN!! He's such a godamn fraud.

― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 24 October 2002 09:40 (twenty-three years ago)

ha ha. what Tom said

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 24 October 2002 09:45 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...

I love and collected my favorite comics from the 70's. Shang-chi and Dracula were my favorites and still are.

― mark wilkerson, Friday, 11 June 2004 02:59 (twenty-two years ago)

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/newanswers.php?board=62

― vleeetrmx21 (Leee), Friday, 11 June 2004 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Only comics I ever bought regularly were the Tales from The Crypt series (EC comics - including Vault of Horror, Two Fisted Tales, etc) and Hate. Casually picked up others once in a while but never really thought they were worth the money (3 comics = one record). Used to feel the same way about DVDs but now I buy more movies than records - well, this past month, anyway.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 11 June 2004 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

That is to say, I love comics.

― vleeetrmx21 (Leee), Friday, 11 June 2004 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

When my house burnt down so did all except three of my comics. If anyone knows where I can find more comics from the 80s, x-men, spiderman please e-mail me [email protected]

― megan, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually every time I see Buffy (which is fairly often as you might imagine) I think awww, Claremont X-Men.

Well, this certainly has come full-circle, hasn't it.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/0604/AXM002_sm.jpg

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like Saruman as redesigned by Gary Numan.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Does anyone else read and adore Powers? Or Ultimate X-men, which is really the only X-book worth reading right now?

jel: ditto on Jim Lee.

― Laura E (laurae55), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Laura! I Love Comics!!!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 01:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Note: when it comes to this topic, I am Ian to Leeeeee's JW.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Laura, definitely come to ILC, I am awaiting nervously the new Powers series. (Ultimate X-Men I dropped after the first few issues because I don't like Millar; but it's Bendis now I think, isn't it?)

― Tep!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D06221975 (ktepi), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Comics, you say? Don't mind if I do.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Tep, it is Bendis now on Ultimate X-Men. And I would gladly contribute to any thread about Bendis on ILC as he is my god.

― Laura E (laurae55), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I still have to read Powers. And Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men is pretty entertaining so far.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Powers is definitely worth picking up (and I like Oeming's art, too, at least for this series) -- you don't have to read the tpbs in order, per se, but the first one ("Who Killed Retro Girl?") is still the best one to read first.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.chez.com/dqkid/Dkg4.jpg

― OMG WTF ROFFLEEE!!! (Leee), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Remember all those bad things I said about Bendis? After reading a couple volumes of DD, I can safely say that I was WRONG

^ Our one Bendis-focused thread on ILC.

― Picard Maneuver (Leee), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I love I Love Comics, I'll probably retire there after I'm finally sick of ILE (approx date: 8pm tonight)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 06:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I read my first Bendis in recent weeks - a friend bought me Who Killed Retro Girl? for my birthday. It was terrific, and I will get more by him.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

That's still one of the better things he's written, I think, but Torso is great for true crime (Eliot Ness vs the first American serial killer), and I'm a huge fan of Ultimate Spider-Man.

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, "This Ness character, who owns him?"

― Richard Jones (scarne), Friday, 2 July 2004 09:19 (twenty-one years ago)

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