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my fellow liberal cucktards and white-genocide lesbians! the deplorables have risen, and what are we gonna do about it?

cf men's rights thread, that's racist thread, batshit cartoons thread, donald trump thread etc

fwiw https://www.rt.com/viral/361510-alt-right-cheat-sheet-racist/

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 12:13 (one year ago) Permalink

feel free to use 'hitlers' and 'deplorables' interchangeably itt

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 12:17 (one year ago) Permalink

"Hitlers" gives them the power they want. We don't want any of these people to start the Siege of Leningrad.

how's life, Thursday, 6 October 2016 12:23 (one year ago) Permalink

what can they really besiege though, it'll be shit like Green Room from here on out, unless they seize power of a whole country (ahem)

actually Green Room feels like the first film of the resistance to this shit

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 12:41 (one year ago) Permalink

Ressentiment can tear a society apart. Absurd as these cuckmasters seem, I don't feel sanguine about the threat they pose.
Con

Treeship, Thursday, 6 October 2016 12:52 (one year ago) Permalink

how are they alt though?

nashwan, Thursday, 6 October 2016 13:00 (one year ago) Permalink

They have the courage to actually say what everyone's thinking, unlike what-used-to-be-mainstream PC cuckservatives?

Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 October 2016 13:13 (one year ago) Permalink

They use new forms of dehumanizing slang -- not just old fashioned slurs -- which is pretty alt.

Treeship, Thursday, 6 October 2016 13:38 (one year ago) Permalink

what gets me is - what is their culture? what is their art? what do they even like?

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 13:49 (one year ago) Permalink

They're an alternative to US right wing consensus - instead of being pro free markets, pro Christian morality or pro strong defense they are just pro white nationalism. This obviously isn't /new/ but it is untraditional in the US and has (and continues?) to be a marginal movement. Their culture is on /b/ and maybe idk theredpill. It's memes, vidya, anime, gore pics, creepypasta, cruel lolz, cringe, and tons and tons of pr0n.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 13:57 (one year ago) Permalink

a marginal movement

Um, isn't their candidate the Republican nominee for President?

Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:02 (one year ago) Permalink

do they not like music, to paraphrase achewood

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:05 (one year ago) Permalink

I mean, it does feel like the logical endpoint of 4chan, but warped to such a putridity of feeling that I fail to see how these creatures can function in anything approaching society

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:07 (one year ago) Permalink

also, have Anonymous declared war on them yet, or is there overlap?

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:09 (one year ago) Permalink

you're so warped by being a cucked sjw that you can't see that their vision of society is the right one, maaaaan

spongeboy bigpants (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:09 (one year ago) Permalink

They have a music board you can check out. They like vaporwave. Re Trump he is their candidate but not exclusively idk it's hard to gauge.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:10 (one year ago) Permalink

i think there is some overlap

xp

jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:10 (one year ago) Permalink

there's an alt right sketch comedy show on Adult Swim now, Million Dollar Extreme, created by this guy:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca5Sg3NUsAENTlG.png

larry appleton, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:12 (one year ago) Permalink

their legitimation on adult swim is deeply unsurprising

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:13 (one year ago) Permalink

their liking of vaporwave makes a weird sort of sense. they are the death eaters

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:14 (one year ago) Permalink

i'd like to take this opportunity to big up my favourite alt-right dipshit davis aurini: ostentatious whisky drinker, skull enthusiast, publicly-funded kung-fu movie auteur, and three-time winner of the international skeleton from superted lookalike contest

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ix1Xr8QHpRw/maxresdefault.jpg

just look at his lil' face!

spongeboy bigpants (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:15 (one year ago) Permalink

These guys are just adorable

don't even see how this was a duck (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:17 (one year ago) Permalink

I forgot to cf rolling fedora

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:18 (one year ago) Permalink

i've been watching million dollar extreme. sometimes it is really really funny, and sometimes it is ideologically okay (like the sketch about our shitty drinking water) and then they just say something openly misogynistic or racist or the sketch is just brutally uncomfortable. idk i'd like to discuss it but i don't have much to say. it's clearly unique, and sam is clearly v smart + funny, and also i'm disappointed in adult swim for giving them a platform.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:19 (one year ago) Permalink

i don't think fedora is entirely linked. there may be associations/links between fedora/brony culture and the alt-right but generally speaking i think fedoras are more likely to show up in cringe threads than be worn by hardcore white supremacists.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:20 (one year ago) Permalink

where is the alt-right music board?

soref, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:20 (one year ago) Permalink

I forgot to cf rolling fedora

― imago, Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:18 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

how's life, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:21 (one year ago) Permalink

xxp counterpoint:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t4AcWFogD60/maxresdefault.jpg

spongeboy bigpants (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:21 (one year ago) Permalink

http://boards.4chan.org/mu/

nb that i don't think 4chan is 100% alt-right but i think broadly speaking a lot of the aesthetic comes from there and there's lots of crossover. i wouldn't consider st0rmfr4nt alt-right - that seems more traditionally racist to me.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:22 (one year ago) Permalink

some of these shitheads are throwing a pro-trump art festival in my borough, i read on the hardening thread.

look at the morning people (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:28 (one year ago) Permalink

I looked at that /mu/ for one minute and some poor schmuck started a thread about how Esperanza Spalding, a black female artist, is really good (which she is) - devoured in seconds

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:34 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't think Million Dollar Extreme is really a part of this

frogbs, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:37 (one year ago) Permalink

sam for sure is and mde board on reddit certainly believes it is

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:47 (one year ago) Permalink

MDE absolutely is

goole, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:48 (one year ago) Permalink

They're an alternative to US right wing consensus - instead of being pro free markets, pro Christian morality or pro strong defense they are just pro white nationalism. This obviously isn't /new/ but it is untraditional in the US and has (and continues?) to be a marginal movement.

Well, maybe I'm misunderstanding alt-right. I thought it referred to e.g. Breitbart/Milo Yiannopoulos, who I thought are still more or less pro- a lot of those things as well as being more blatantly racist and nationalistic than, say, Mitt Romney.

Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:51 (one year ago) Permalink

i would just like to point out that i wrote about these guys 4 years ago

goole, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:52 (one year ago) Permalink

Milo isn't alt-right. He's an alt-right wannabe / fellow traveller.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:53 (one year ago) Permalink

Oh, I thought he was a quasi-leader. I'm probably on way the wrong page, then.

Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:54 (one year ago) Permalink

sam for sure is and mde board on reddit certainly believes it is

my impression of MDE is that it's an elaborate troll on anything and everything, I'm guessing the alt-right probably has claimed him but I dunno if Sam has any real political views besides "lol"

frogbs, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:54 (one year ago) Permalink

politics for various alt-righters probably differ but on those topics i'd guess the majority are pro-protectionism anti-immigration agnostic on Christian morality (and in many cases ideologically opposed to religious faith) isolationist or in some cases extreme hawkism (drop nukes on the middle east). and of course the central component is defending the race against #whitegenocide. also jew-hating.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:55 (one year ago) Permalink

frogbs you've seen this? https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-alt-right-has-its-own-comedy-tv-show-on-a-time-warner-ne

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:56 (one year ago) Permalink

Wait hold on, Breitbart is core alt-right.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:57 (one year ago) Permalink

i think the key attribute marking the "alt" (a p fraught and dumb prefix imo) is determinism.

xp

I dunno if Sam has any real political views besides "lol"

― frogbs, Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:54 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

god knows if i can or want to find it again but there are forum posts out there by him that are the now-standard post-libertarian line, like: "i used to be apolitical and in favor of freedom, but now i see that america has been ruined since the civil rights movement and feminism, it needs to be purged" etc

goole, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:58 (one year ago) Permalink

Wait hold on, Breitbart is core alt-right.

― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:57 AM (twenty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they are johnny come latelies

goole, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:58 (one year ago) Permalink

it's really not. it jumped on the alt-right bandwagon thru Milo but he started as just an observer and tho the alt-right will pretty much accept any celebrity legitimacy they can get, he remains a controversial figure in the movement (bc he's gay and jewish). he wrote this around the time breitbart began embracing the alt-right: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/ - where you can see that he's interacting w/ them more as an anthropologist than a participant. xxp

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:59 (one year ago) Permalink

didn't realise that Yiannopoulos had jewish heritage

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/203888/donald-trumps-little-boy

soref, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:05 (one year ago) Permalink

frogbs you've seen this? https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-alt-right-has-its-own-comedy-tv-show-on-a-time-warner-ne

― Mordy, Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:56 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I guess I never really followed the persona behind it too closely. I read a lot of that stuff as a parody of the alt-right, though I suppose at this point, what's the difference

frogbs, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:06 (one year ago) Permalink

goole you always amaze/scare me with your knowledge of this stuff

k3vin k., Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Dark Enlightenment feeds into this, right?

(rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:13 (one year ago) Permalink

i guess my knowledge of this stuff is just unsurprising :p

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:15 (one year ago) Permalink

Also run out of material about kids' TV and driving on the motorway

"oh no my cheds" man had dark to black packet (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 15 February 2018 21:21 (six days ago) Permalink

the alt-right

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 15 February 2018 21:23 (six days ago) Permalink

shocking, I know

So Jordan Peterson admits that he has been accused "three times during (his) career of sexual impropriety."

That explains a lot of his views & behaviour. pic.twitter.com/l9IsYHgAyg

— Sacha Saeen (@_Saeen_) February 17, 2018

Simon H., Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:43 (three days ago) Permalink

Good news everyone

Slavoj Žižek says that Jordan Peterson is a conspiracy theorist and accepts his invitation to debate, choosing New York City in October. https://t.co/pDhg1c7Ec0

— Jack Smith IV (@JackSmithIV) February 19, 2018

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 19 February 2018 19:29 (two days ago) Permalink

Hell yes

flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 19:30 (two days ago) Permalink

stoked for the madness

(what are the chances peterson is gonna end up disgraced and abandoned by october tho)

NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 19 February 2018 19:31 (two days ago) Permalink

Totally disagree with ppl itt saying that Peterson isn't worth serious critique or debate. that kind of intellectual/cultural elitism only emboldens Peterson and makes his audience grow. glad that Zizek is going to debate him. I thought his column about the lack of critique from the left and the lack of a defense beyond a patronizing "it's self evident" from the left was otm.

flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 19:33 (two days ago) Permalink

peterson isn't worth of debate and it's not due to elitism - he's a tenured professor at U of T and now best-selling author, he is the elite - it's that his ideas aren't worth engaging with and it's best not to give him the oxygen of publicity

khat person (jim in vancouver), Monday, 19 February 2018 19:38 (two days ago) Permalink

zizek is an entertainer and troll as much as a thinker so it makes sense for his brand

khat person (jim in vancouver), Monday, 19 February 2018 19:38 (two days ago) Permalink

whatever you think of his ideas, he needs to be engaged because of the audience he's garnering: very impressionable and seemingly more open-minded to criticism than fans of other explicitly alt right figures. Zizek is the perfect person to do it precisely for the reasons you stated

flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 19:41 (two days ago) Permalink

if they debate and zizek hands his ass to him, it will do nothing to dissuade or deter peterson's fans who will maintain that he crushed zizek with logic

khat person (jim in vancouver), Monday, 19 February 2018 19:43 (two days ago) Permalink

flappy bird otm.

pomenitul, Monday, 19 February 2018 19:48 (two days ago) Permalink

this is gonna be awesome but anyone who thinks zizek is going to debunk jp or whatever doesn't understand zizek

Mordy, Monday, 19 February 2018 19:48 (two days ago) Permalink

if they debate and zizek hands his ass to him, it will do nothing to dissuade or deter peterson's fans who will maintain that he crushed zizek with logic

― khat person (jim in vancouver), Monday, February 19, 2018 2:43 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

some, maybe. but this is fatalistic and again, dangerously dismissive. he needs to be interrogated, even if it starts with Zizek. certainly an improvement over some hapless cable tv host or sam fuckin harris

flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 19:50 (two days ago) Permalink

nah, flappy, you're wrong on this. Peterson is the intellectual equivalent of a toddler throwing spaghetti at the wall, or a Rorschach test for bigoted assholes. He introduces so much bullshit so quickly and his audiences are so gullible and so filled with unearned intellectual confidence that any critique is gonna be useless.

Peterson looked like an idiot in that vice interview, but do you see fans of his saying, "Oh, man, the emperor has no clothes after all. What was I thinking?"?

bamcquern, Monday, 19 February 2018 19:57 (two days ago) Permalink

like I'd love to see Peterson get flustered because Zizek asks him questions on subjects he always suggests he has expertise in, like "Can you name two self-avowed postmodernists and give a brief summary of what they believe?" or something about Marxist bugbears like secular stagnation and financialization, but his audience doesn't admire Peterson for his erudition or his intellectual integrity, and they're gonna enthusiastically slurp up whatever dodge he offers them.

bamcquern, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:10 (two days ago) Permalink

again zizek is not going to debunk him. if anything i think zizek may be able to draw interesting ideas out of him or at least locate grounds for debate that are productive. i very seriously doubt he's going in to do a fisking of JP and i expect at least a few occasions where they are able to "find common ground." it'll be entertaining af but be prepared don't be disappointed.

Mordy, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:11 (two days ago) Permalink

ps my roommate has been mainlining this dude's lectures and proselytizing about him and I hate him so much

bamcquern, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:11 (two days ago) Permalink

ugh my condolences

khat person (jim in vancouver), Monday, 19 February 2018 20:22 (two days ago) Permalink

I'm sorry (not sorry) but any of you who think a "debate" between two self-fellating white men on the moot topic of white male supremacy is worthwhile, necessary, or might "draw some interesting ideas out," or all of the above, are on some very, very heavy and bad drugs that are affecting your ability to think your way out of a paper bag that's had the bottom cut out. You also seem grossly ignorant of what period of history we're living in. If you want to appreciate it like some kind of noize actionist art show, fine, but please please please don't act like either of these dudes has any merit other than challopsing at saddos with the full force of their solitaire scrabble scores.

Trying to think of something less relevant to human existence that's planned for eight months from now and can't come up with one.

El Tomboto, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:34 (two days ago) Permalink

if you don't see how zizek debating jp will be entertaining you should just pull your head out of your ass and stop worrying about being the wokest white guy in the room

Mordy, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:35 (two days ago) Permalink

Agree with Tombot 1000%. Both these men should be fired naked out of a space shuttle hatch; the video of them exploding into frozen meat-shards would be infinitely more illuminating than anything either of them has ever thought, said, or written.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 19 February 2018 20:36 (two days ago) Permalink

I find it entertaining to say "fuck you, clown" to people who pay so little attention to the world that they think this is going to be worth anyone's time

El Tomboto, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:37 (two days ago) Permalink

sure but

challopsing at saddos

new board description

persona non gratin (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 19 February 2018 20:37 (two days ago) Permalink

el tomboto otm

Van Horn Street, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:41 (two days ago) Permalink

"You also seem grossly ignorant of what period of history we're living in." sorry but this is dumb af

Mordy, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:48 (two days ago) Permalink

If you want to appreciate it like some kind of noize actionist art show, fine

El Tomboto, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:50 (two days ago) Permalink

saddo as an insult all the time lately, why. seems a little kick-someone-while-they're-down-y. fuck the happyos imo.

sleepingbag, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:52 (two days ago) Permalink

lol at the thread that got bumped while i was typing that

sleepingbag, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:54 (two days ago) Permalink

some, maybe. but this is fatalistic and again, dangerously dismissive. he needs to be interrogated, even if it starts with Zizek. certainly an improvement over some hapless cable tv host or sam fuckin harris

― flappy bird, lundi 19 février 2018 14:50 (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dunno if it crossed the border but he has been endlessly interrogated here in Canada. However, the fans of The Great Jordan Alpha will keep claiming he has Logic™ and Science™ on his side so no one will be effectively convinced, and the fact that he managed to deftly monetize so much of these debates or these columns is exactly how his mini-empire is growing. A video can be edited on so many ways and we all know which parts the fans will keep for posterity, which parts they will ignore (who now even branded themselves as lobsters for some reason), and all of that matters little, because he is not an intellectual but a preacher. And the choir has him as some father figure, a bunch of lost boys who felt betrayed by women by whatever method and who are generally aimless (a friend of mine is exactly of this kind and finds him very interesting/likes him). What I'm trying to say, and parroting what El Tomboto explained, is that there is absolutely nothing to gain from a debate with this guy, and if it is in your heart to engage with the problem Peterson represents, engage with the individuals that love him so much instead of the Grand Master zhimself.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 19 February 2018 21:03 (two days ago) Permalink

Peterson should just debate a scarecrow since he's usually only arguing strawmen anyway

Algerian Goalkeeper (Odysseus), Monday, 19 February 2018 21:10 (two days ago) Permalink

interrogations and arguments change people's minds almost as infrequently as condemnation

ogmor, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:31 (two days ago) Permalink

so the only way to depopularise jordy p is to...

imago, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:34 (two days ago) Permalink

wait till they realize the snake oil has changed nothing in their lives.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:48 (two days ago) Permalink

@jordanbpeterson I have admired your work for years, sir, and am thrilled at your sudden success. You changed my life years ago and I want to say thank you. Thank you.

— Norm Macdonald (@normmacdonald) February 15, 2018



did we do this one yet

Clay, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:48 (two days ago) Permalink

What's the danger of ignoring how other ppl listen to Jordan peterson

DUMPKINS! (darraghmac), Monday, 19 February 2018 22:55 (two days ago) Permalink

might miss the odd lazy zing idk

Big Ched aka The Cheesedriver (Noodle Vague), Monday, 19 February 2018 22:58 (two days ago) Permalink

Fuck ya

You know just where to aim

DUMPKINS! (darraghmac), Monday, 19 February 2018 22:59 (two days ago) Permalink

xp the same way you change your thinking about anything, by getting more expansive, either by going deeper in & teasing it out or, if you have ppl's attention, by elucidating a more convincing view attractively

ogmor, Monday, 19 February 2018 23:20 (two days ago) Permalink

otm

flappy bird, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 06:25 (yesterday) Permalink

so the only way to depopularise jordy p is to...

― imago

convince the world that he was the guy who did "dur dur d'etre bebe"

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 07:46 (yesterday) Permalink

News nobody everybody saw coming: Milo dropping lawsuit against former publisher

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:33 (yesterday) Permalink

aww but he was doing such a good job of defending himself

NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:36 (yesterday) Permalink

lol I didn't even know his garbage book came out

omar little, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:36 (yesterday) Permalink

And all it cost him was $$$s and the chance for us all to learn that even the clueless editors at S&S who commissioned the book thought he was a risible, terrible, moronic writer.

too notch (stevie), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:40 (yesterday) Permalink

man, FUCK norm macdonald

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:55 (yesterday) Permalink

milol

maura, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 16:33 (yesterday) Permalink

Milo is selling supplements on Infowars. This is not a drill. pic.twitter.com/zieQXOqtRi

— Ross McCafferty (@RossMcCaff) February 21, 2018

i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 16:52 (four hours ago) Permalink


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