the alt-right

explicitly patriarchal gender views are only one leg of the stool, and probably the most popular, it's true

a commitment to racial hierarchy (if not "race science") is the other, but a lot of people have that too -- the alts were open and explicit about it while your average tcot type likes blue lives and tendentious MLK memes. anti-semitism used to be the key dividing between alt and regular-GOP right, but that membrane is breaking down imo.

back when these guys were getting going, hostility to democratic government was the last and most important: celebrate monarchy, oligarchy, theocracy, whatever. lee yuan kew, pinochet and uhh the stuarts were big heroes. now that donald has won and the alt-right is officially A Thing (thanks, hillary) this part has been obscured and forgotten

there was a moment when the more highbrow "NRx" type people disdained old-school nazism as just communism for whites. it dovetails with the general tendency of nerds to fetishize 'intelligence' for its own sake and all the resentments carried with it (why can't the smart people just be in charge and be sexy and respected); adam's style certainly overlaps with that

now that donald has won and the alt-right is officially A Thing (thanks, hillary) this part has been obscured and forgotten

has it so quickly? the stuarts are one thing but idk if admiration for authoritarians like pinochet or lee kuan yew is off the table. (putin obviously isn't.) incidentally my mom who grew up in late-colonial/early-post-colonial singapore seems on the balance to greatly admire lee kuan yew despite her fairly public parents having been under frequent threat of lawsuit or delicensing from him for oppositional speech and id rly k how to feel abt it. i think zizek once said the 21c would build statues of him in every country. lky, not zizek.

Adams' style is also all about explaining things. THIS is what is true and THIS is what is not, and if you believe that other thing you've been hypnotized. I know, because I took a class in hypnotism. In fact I'm hypnotizing you right now. You're going to wake up tomorrow and realize you've been living in a matriarchy all along.

that facebook post about breitbart I copied and pasted upthread made the 'news'

https://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/ties-to-trump-and-breitbart-divide-exclusive-los-angeles-sch

marlow's wife not only deleted her post but her entire facebook account

Before I knew what the "alt-right" was, I spent some time on a message board that had a strong alt-right contingent, though it had other contingents as well (not 4-chan or reddit). I have to admit that sometimes I found the some of the alt-right posting very funny, because it took the piss out of the intense self-seriousness of some parts of the left. I've found Rush Limbaugh funny at times in the same way without ever agreeing with him on any substance. I think it would be wise to recognize that there's an element of the "backlash" here that's really about oversocialization, about politeness to the point of feeling inauthentic and unable to express darker emotions.

Rush is old news, it's all about Tomi Lahren now

the alt-right is funnier than the uptight-left

http://heatst.com/entertainment/if-ghostbusters-was-just-a-little-better-it-could-have-defeated-donald-trump/

milo will have been loving all of this

http://www.influxpress.com/blog/2016/11/17/open-letter-objecting-to-the-invitation-of-milo-yiannopolous-to-speak-at-simon-langton

it's a nice letter though

the "uptight left" is usually just liberals. The dirtbag left is funny.

the sexed-up coverage of the alt-right in a bunch of mainstream outlets lately has been distressing, especially Mother Jones.

http://www.vice.com/read/heil-trump-this-is-the-alternative-right

the sexed-up coverage of the alt-right in a bunch of mainstream outlets lately has been distressing, especially Mother Jones.

Yeah, there's something that goes into this like the journo/blogger need to focus on a thing and publicize the hell out of it, feeding in the provocative nature more than any contemplative. It's like Isis or some shit, which the coverage goes hyperbolic and they get built up into being Cobra.

Feel like the generic public still doesn't know about the alt-right. The coverage is justified considering Steve Bannon's new place in the world

Yeah the particular way it has been done though has been very bad. MJ originally had a headline along the lines of "Meet the dapper new leader of the white nationalist movement" or something, deleted it.

Milo is speaking at the school I work at next month. I feel a bunch of lefty academics protesting and yelling is exactly what he would thrive so I really want to organize some sort of response where a bunch of people get tickets, show up, and totally ignore him by knitting, doing homework, napping, reading, etc. I also want to avoid racist assholes threatening to firebomb my house so not sure how to go about this.

would think nobody protesting, nobody getting tickets is probably the best response

is there any reason to call these people "alt-right" when "neo-nazi" would suffice?

XP ...or an audience completely made up of women and POCs with fixed death stares.

Arent a lot of the socalled alt-right people just bascially trolls, anyway? Not so much the big players but the followers. They think the reactions they get are FUNNY. Wouldnt matter what side it was, as long as its women and weak-assed pansy cucks, they'd say anything shitty to get a rise.

Things can arise from the lulz - I'm reading a 'biography' of Anyonymous at the moment from 2013 and it's clear that trollishness can definitely exist alongside emerging politicisation (though wow it's an uncomfortable read this year).

Trolling is def an important part of the alt-right's DNA (and not just the followers, Milo always seems to me to be saying and doing things to get a rise out of people as much as furthering any "philosophy") but there's not "just" trolls about it - the temptation to dismiss them as "just" trolls, to conceptualise trolling itself as inherently ignorable or harmless, is where the danger also is.

And it sort of does matter which side it is because, well, they're the ones who picked the nazi side.

is there any reason to call these people "alt-right" when "neo-nazi" would suffice?

― k3vin k., Monday, November 21, 2016 11:09 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah I've been reading the arguments on this and I can definitely see why some think "alt-right" is a dangerous shiny rebranding that makes them more acceptable - I don't think it should ever be in any doubt that "alt-right" is a subset of "neo-Nazi" and not a brand new thing or a break from it. "Alt-right" seems useful in terms of describing their aesthetic and methods though - the radicalisation of white male frustration online, the very "dapperness" that makes an aesthetic break from unreconstructed skinheads and to me, seems necessary in capturing why their appeal is particularly dangerous now.

the whole "european" thing is some weird semantic thing - have they all agreed to call themselves that or something?

this fucking guy in his nazi colour scheme, what vile creeps:

https://vice-images.vice.com/images/content-images/2016/11/21/heil-trump-this-is-the-alternative-right-body-image-1479752283.jpg

is there any reason to call these people "alt-right" when "neo-nazi" would suffice?

― k3vin k., Monday, November 21, 2016 5:09 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've personally flipped that switch already. Fuck whatever media-friendly label they prefer.

I really want to organize some sort of response where a bunch of people get tickets, show up, and totally ignore him by knitting, doing homework, napping, reading, etc

Was thinking about something similar when Channel 4 interviewed him last week - by all means, get him on the show, just ask him as inane questions as possible, e.g. "who's your favourite Beatle", "what's yr golf handicap" "have you ever tried homemade cream cheese" etc

Arent a lot of the socalled alt-right people just bascially trolls, anyway? Not so much the big players but the followers. They think the reactions they get are FUNNY. Wouldnt matter what side it was, as long as its women and weak-assed pansy cucks, they'd say anything shitty to get a rise.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, November 21, 2016 9:28 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Partly this; partly keeping "I was just being funny" as a defense if they might face consequences for their words and/or deeds. In which case they then smear their targets for not having a sense of humor and/or not knowing better than to feed the trolls.

"I was just kidding" is a refrain I'm very familiar with hearing from the people I've known who suffer from personality disorders.

There was a Danish news-parody show that once had an interview with a young guy from the populist right, who'd started a group protesting left-wing bias in the media. The first question was 'Can you tell me about your new group, you right-wing asshole?'

Not for nothing are Danes known worldwide as the kings of comedy.

Anyway, ThinkProgress says they won't be using "alt-right" anymore: https://thinkprogress.org/thinkprogress-alt-right-policy-b04fd141d8d4

There was a Danish news-parody show that once had an interview with a young guy from the populist right, who'd started a group protesting left-wing bias in the media. The first question was 'Can you tell me about your new group, you right-wing asshole?'

― Frederik B, Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:07 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is the B for Basic?

is there any reason to call these people "alt-right" when "neo-nazi" would suffice?

― k3vin k., Monday, November 21, 2016 5:09 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've personally flipped that switch already. Fuck whatever media-friendly label they prefer.

― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:30 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I like to think of them as Trunk Club Fascists

I'm not sure what to make of some of the labelling. Many people including myself were using alt-right to refer to a much wider array of modern right wing bigotry, including non-whites who use some of the same ideas as the white nationalists and repurpose them to suit their own prejudices.

"I was just kidding" is a refrain I'm very familiar with hearing from the people I've known who suffer from personality disorders.

― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, November 22, 2016 2:11 PM (four hours ago)

Er, wtf Old Lunch?

I think the reason why I've used 'alt-right' as a term rather than neo-nazi is similar to what RAG is saying. It was something that encompassed a lot of online spheres, from PUAs to st0rmerz to channers to whoever else was being a fucking dickhead. Now that the entire real world is crumbling, though, I'm with people who want to call them what they are.

afaics, the whole "alt-right" label is just a rebranding of plain old white supremacy and neo-Nazism, for the same reason Comcast is trying to rebrand as Xfinity, because the old brand is hated and reviled. Using this new friendlier brand name just obscures their connection with white supremacy, which benefits the neo-nazis and no one else. The news media should be flayed for playing into the hands of these deplorable people. God, what a world we live in now.

they're mostly just entitled white-terrorist fuckhead dweebs and should be treated like any other terrorism suspects

except with more waterboarding

I'm kidding, they should be treated like Breivik their Viking lord, allowed to study for a degree from the comfort of prison

I don't even know. Put them and Isis in a big pit then check back forty years on, see if they've forged a new society together

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3954508/The-worrying-rise-Britain-s-modern-day-Hitler-youth-Neo-Nazi-referrals-Government-s-deradicalisation-programme-overtaking-Islamist-extremism-cases-parts-UK.html

really though what the western world needs is an overhaul of education systems, mental health access, employment law and much, much besides

in the meantime, wage fucking cultural hell upon these cunts until they don't exist as a movement

We've got our own little tinpot Breivik here in the UK.

That article's headline should read 'SUCCESS! Our xenophobic hate-campaign reaches YOUR CHILDREN!'

Of the Mail, I mean

And I don't care how trenchant that is

... the Mail and all the others.

xps @Aimless, that's a great point, Clear Channel did the same thing - I didn't realize they were iHeartRadio until fairly recently.

Thing is though, don't some people who aren't white nationalists refer to themselves as "alt-right"? Like "I'm not white or racist, I just hate political correctness and women.