*Ethics starts with
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 23:57 (six years ago) link
It's typo night.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 23:58 (six years ago) link
Fun with Tucker Carlson:
Tucker Carlson wishes someone would let him know what a “white nationalist” is and how he qualifies. I gave it a shot: pic.twitter.com/BzW7iYBiBp— Jack Smith IV (@JackSmithIV) January 24, 2018
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Thursday, 25 January 2018 00:37 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhdEbOzcN1U
― flappy bird, Thursday, 25 January 2018 03:14 (six years ago) link
It’s kinda funny seeing these high falutin criticisms of Peterson when his core audience is like 15 year old boys
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 25 January 2018 03:56 (six years ago) link
Schadenfreude today: prominent alt-righter with a pregnant wife tries to use feminist dating app, gets dunked onhttps://www.fastcompany.com/40521433/bumble-bans-alt-right-darling-jack-pobosiec-in-a-very-public-way
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Thursday, 25 January 2018 04:13 (six years ago) link
looool
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 25 January 2018 05:44 (six years ago) link
white supremacists are always the best argument against their own ideologies
― maura, Thursday, 25 January 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link
just tremendous opsec from a guy with 'veteran navy intel officer' in his twitter bio
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 25 January 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link
'incel officer' more like amirite
Peterson is posting on twitter in barely concealed accounts again:
https://www.twitter.com/WeeEgalitarian/status/957873627311038465
https://www.twitter.com/shujaxhaider/status/957949776129155072
https://www.twitter.com/ETZithrow/status/958052099752939520
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Monday, 29 January 2018 21:25 (six years ago) link
corny. these people are all so fuckin corny before you even consider their ass opinions
― maura, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 03:27 (six years ago) link
https://alternativeright.hopenothate.com/my-year-inside-the-international-alt-right
― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
In march, spencer is coming to speak at the university where I work. He either threatened or actually pursued legal action and they capitulated. Since they had to give him a venue, he will speak in what is essentially the ag school cow barn at the ass-end of campus, on the Monday of Spring Break week when nobody will be around.
I'm already seeing tons of flyers, ranging from "we should meet at the library to talk about the impact of this" to a number rather large posters about attacking a group of nazi marchers in 2006 and running them out of town and how they can't wait to do it again.
This should be fun. I'm kind of glad I'll be out of town.
― joygoat, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
There was still a local ARA chapter when I was there, of course that was almost 20 years ago. Here's hoping they're still around.
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 19:08 (six years ago) link
lmao @ "Hope Not Hate" and the "alternative right" (didn't read the actual piece tbf)
― Simon H., Tuesday, 30 January 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
many xps. I'm reading derrida and foucault again because of this thread <3 thank you, jordan peterson. you kermit-voiced sack of albertan shit
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 19:39 (six years ago) link
wtf i love jordan peterson now
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 19:44 (six years ago) link
its been over a week since ive let everyone who helped me out of prison down, so many of you have helped me thru tough times, i tried too hard to do too much, im sorry im a human being and not a symbol, i have hit rock bottom— Chelsea E. Manning (@xychelsea) January 30, 2018
Chelsea Manning not feeling too great about hanging with the fash
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 19:51 (six years ago) link
In all seriousness, though, everyone should check out Derrida's seminars. Due to their self-evidently pedagogical and oral nature, they're more idea-oriented and hence more approachable (as well as more easily translatable into English). They're also more explicitly 'political' than many might expect, giving the lie to the all-too widespread, quasi indestructible notion according to which he never seriously engaged with anything beyond philosophy and, at best, literature.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 20:01 (six years ago) link
sorta tangent to peterson's fame i really fuckin hate the centrist anti-left crew and their wounded/smug act: the weinstein brothers, sam harris, quillette mag.
― goole, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 20:56 (six years ago) link
haidt, maher, chait, ~sullivan fit that description too.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:11 (six years ago) link
yup. chait didn't used to, i didn't think! but maybe he did.
there's the feminist-not-feminist annex too: paglia, sommers, roiphe
― goole, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:23 (six years ago) link
paglia is too weird to be in this group imo
― Mordy, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:24 (six years ago) link
yea camille paglia does not fit but sommers & roiphe are def in there
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:26 (six years ago) link
what's infuriating is how content-free their politics are. it's all meta concepts like open discourse and closed mindedness and group thinking and hard reason but... there's no meat.
like, what do you want the world to be? what do you want to say that (you say) you can't say now? make a list of 25 live issues at work in this country, or any country, and none of these people will have said anything about them. voting? climate change? war? (ok we know what harris thinks about war...) financialization? (one of the weinsteins works for peter thiel lol) worker rights? abortion rights? there's n o t h i n g
― goole, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:27 (six years ago) link
these are the only people left who care about paglia!
there's an essay to be written about the fetishization of live debate across the right wing: this set ^ of people, the alt-lite youtube scene, ben shapiro
shuja haider wrote that great piece of JP, most of the angry replies were "you couldn't take him on live, i dare you" or that like, writing everything down in a essay was... cheating somehow? against the rules? oddly authoritarian impulse. it has to be a match with rules and if you lose you have to stay down! or something
― goole, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:31 (six years ago) link
wrong, also fans do not condemn the person. camille paglia talks about her views all the time, she's written thousands of pages about art and literature and history
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:44 (six years ago) link
i know, it's a shame
― goole, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:45 (six years ago) link
just replace paglia in yr annex w/ caitlin flanagan
is jon stewart somehow culpable for the "reasonable moderate"?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:47 (six years ago) link
Nah
― direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:54 (six years ago) link
maybe a bit. can we blame capitalism? i feel like we should blame capitalism
― goole, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:58 (six years ago) link
no lets blame the daily show
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 22:14 (six years ago) link
"lets"... ugh. sorry #groupthink
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 22:15 (six years ago) link
About the diaper-clad shitheads in TPUSA
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 2 February 2018 00:01 (six years ago) link
https://thebaffler.com/the-poverty-of-theory/no-re-turning-point-u-s-a
a chilling must-read; thanks.
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Friday, 2 February 2018 00:41 (six years ago) link
I keep waiting to encounter these guys on campus
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 2 February 2018 04:13 (six years ago) link
They hit the northeast and Big Ten schools, right? So it’s just a matter of time
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 2 February 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
https://jacobinmag.com/2018/02/jordan-peterson-enlightenment-nietzsche-alt-right
This is a much, much better/more incisive takedown of Peterson than the other two pieces that have been shared here.
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:13 (six years ago) link
Everyone who writes these JP takedown pieces gets absolutely pilloried with death threats and insults online and I thank them for their service
― Simon H., Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link
This is the only good one. It gets to the heart of why he is wrong and doesn’t go for a cheap caricature.
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:17 (six years ago) link
After Stalinism crumbled, the old Marxism continued in the guise of what Peterson calls “neo-Marxist postmodernism.” Like Nietzsche before him, Peterson sees the metaphysics of reason, as embodied in the Enlightenment project and modern socialism, leading inexorably toward relativistic nihilism. Nietzsche called this condition “passive nihilism” and argued that it could only be overcome with an “active nihilism” that would create a new system of values based on new modes of slavery and mastery. When Peterson criticizes “neo-Marxist postmodernism,” he is merely repeating Nietzsche’s diagnosis of passive nihilism — that is, the slavish revolt of the masses.Peterson’s positivism — the dualism between descriptive facts and values — makes his Nietzscheanism possible. If the world is an atomized chaos of facts, it needs a strong will to define it and impose order. In Peterson’s need for something that transcends this chaotic reality, he subjectively imposes a mystical solution for the alienation and suffering of humanity, grounded in a Nietzschean version of Christianity and original sin. The strong will inherit the kingdom of heaven, while the weak are destined to fail.When we theoretically confront Peterson, we need to do more than refute his pseudo-scientific claims, his bad pop psychology, and his Cold War–inflected version of history. The real challenge is overcoming his fundamental irrationalism.
Peterson’s positivism — the dualism between descriptive facts and values — makes his Nietzscheanism possible. If the world is an atomized chaos of facts, it needs a strong will to define it and impose order. In Peterson’s need for something that transcends this chaotic reality, he subjectively imposes a mystical solution for the alienation and suffering of humanity, grounded in a Nietzschean version of Christianity and original sin. The strong will inherit the kingdom of heaven, while the weak are destined to fail.
When we theoretically confront Peterson, we need to do more than refute his pseudo-scientific claims, his bad pop psychology, and his Cold War–inflected version of history. The real challenge is overcoming his fundamental irrationalism.
I don't know. I don't think you need to deploy hifalutin academic language to explain why his ideas are bad and wrong.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:20 (six years ago) link
I'd like to read that, but I've recently come to the conclusion that spending too much time reading/debunking bad ideas actually makes you stupider in the long run. It's like a virus that can infect your own thinking.
― ryan, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:23 (six years ago) link
(I'm using "bad" in distinction from just simply "wrong," there.)
― ryan, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:25 (six years ago) link
There is, like, a neo-reaction movement going on. If the ideas are never seriously refuted they’ll get stronger and more popular — the intellectual “forbidden fruit” the left won’t touch even to critique.
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
I'm glad there's an intellectual critique, I just don't imagine JP's chud squad engaging with it.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:31 (six years ago) link
They already think the postmodern neo-marxists (lol) are out to drain them of their vital essence, so why should they listen to some Jacobin pinko?
― Simon H., Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
xxp
Maybe, but that's a very optimistic conception of intellectual discourse!
But yes people are welcome to it.
― ryan, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link