yeah the emergence of the gamer identity is the most suspect thing imo, it's inherently defensive and ofc there has been proliferation of anti-SJW type memes and discourse among this crowd, but the overall percentage of gamers involved in these communities is small bc gaming is so fkn huge (>40% of americans, 17% globally, only going to go up (I'm sure you cld make a case for the popularisation of gaming as being one of the drivers of the gamer identity as a reactionary purist subgroup))
― ogmor, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 11:54 (six years ago) link
with the caveat that I haven't read all that much about it, the discourse around this game seems to stink more than the game itself: http://robertwguthrie.com/whats-racist-about-telling-the-truth-when-historical-accuracy-is-used-to-deny-agency/
― ogmor, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 11:55 (six years ago) link
Aye, I'm agreeing that it's a steep ask. But not entirely with the previous post - the 'certain fandoms' definitely includes games fandoms too.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 11:59 (six years ago) link
in my experience it's different games. there's some overlap, but the overlap tends to be the games that are so big they're practically monolithic -- something like overwatch or pubg for instance
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 12:03 (six years ago) link
Oh yeah, kingdom come is disgusting. I’ll try to find another good article I read about it.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 12:09 (six years ago) link
semi-related
This map of where fights start on Reddit (via @PulsarPlatform) reminds me, appropriately, of a large angry rash. pic.twitter.com/7azcxqokeI— Tom Ewing (@tomewing) March 27, 2018
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 12:12 (six years ago) link
(oh duh it was on the casual racism / sexism thread on ILG)
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 12:14 (six years ago) link
i wanted to finally see what all the fuss was about so i listened to about 45 minutes of a joe rogan podcast w/ jordan peterson and i was struck by 1) how profoundly stupid and intellectually lazy peterson can be; 2) how ignorant dudes like rogan are about what college and universities are actually like; 3) how there is nothing remotely novel about peterson's ideas, they are the same conservative anti-PC trash that has been spouted for decades
― marcos, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link
with a splash of warmed-over Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance I guess?
― valorous wokelord (silby), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 16:04 (six years ago) link
i'm assuming that when that map is extended to more dimensions the movies/pornography loop gets closed
― had (crüt), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
like i've been feeling a little frustrated myself by the twitter environments i'm in and the extremism and mob culture of some identity politics stuff so i thought hey maybe this person has something intelligent to say but nope it is the same fucking garbage and ignorance
i've worked at five different colleges and universities over the past twelve years, and have attended two others at a student. how rogan and peterson were talking about them in terms of angry mobs pounding on faculty doors w/ demands to acknowledge 70 different gender pronouns and shit is so far from any reality i've seen. that reddit post from a philosophy professor mentioned how his colleagues' "research is generally very boring and unobjectionable" and that is so otm, universities really are these pretty calm and boring places with lots of boring administrative shit happening, faculty meetings w/ information from the sponsored research office, grant applications, bla bla bla it is not that salacious or violent. rogan hasn't been involved w/ any institute of higher ed since he attended college but jfc christ peterson as a professor has no excuse
― marcos, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link
btw salacious is the wrong word there i think i meant something like sensational lol
― marcos, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link
m bison's post upthread is just so heartening, thank you
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
what do you teach? (or was that during extracurricular stuff?)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 18:09 (six years ago) link
angry mobs pounding on faculty doors
this did literally happen at the evergreen state college last year, I assume he’s still harping on/extrapolating from that
(not trying to contradict yr larger point, just noting)
― sciatica, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 18:31 (six years ago) link
Re: video games and angry young men shooters, Dylan Roof was reportedly obsessed with Dance Dance Revolution and the dude from Virgina Tech was remarkable for _not_ playing games
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 21:24 (six years ago) link
On a very related note, the review embargo on Far Cry 5, a game seemingly to deal with alt-right militia types is up, and the reviews aren’t pretty.
'Far Cry 5' tried to avoid being a game about politics and far right extremism. Instead, it became a perfect celebration of American nationalist violence. My latest: https://t.co/o572bgT1k0— Jack Smith IV (@JackSmithIV) March 27, 2018
It looked at first as though the game would be a referendum on far right extremism. Instead, the writing waffles, politically. @austin_walker has the most clearly articulated article about this over at Waypoint: pic.twitter.com/PTk743GJgs— Jack Smith IV (@JackSmithIV) March 27, 2018
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 22:11 (six years ago) link
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:09 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i teach government/economics, US history (that's when this most recent convo took place), and academic decathlon/speech and debate.
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 00:10 (six years ago) link
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, March 27, 2018 12:27 PM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
<3
ah, ok. wonder how possible it would be to have that conversation in, say, a math course. probably not sadly :/
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 02:00 (six years ago) link
i had that conversation when i taught math, too. im not up at the front lecturing all day, so i circulate while they're working on stuff and we chat.
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 02:13 (six years ago) link
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2018/03/27/alt-right-erupts-after-crying-nazi-christopher-cantwell-admits-hes-a-federal-informant/
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 15:33 (six years ago) link
work wont let me click thru on that -- salient deets?
― gbx, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
Cantwell claims he's helping the Feds to hunt down the *real* criminals (ie, the left), Weev has strenously said otherwise on Gab, and generally horrible people continue to act horribly.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
they're all still enormous assholes xp
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
i.e. another example of literally everything they say being projection, in this case "the left is full of infighting!"
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
katherine otm
― maura, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
I guess I'm not seeing the problem here.
Women: if you usurp men they will rebel and fail and you will have to jail or enslave them.— Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) December 17, 2016
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 March 2018 00:57 (six years ago) link
Sounds fine
― valorous wokelord (silby), Thursday, 29 March 2018 00:58 (six years ago) link
That “we’re taking our toys and going home” theme is central to redpill. I just recently learned what the acronym “MGTOW” stands for and it’s both hilarious and sad.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 29 March 2018 01:01 (six years ago) link
Yeah that particular sub movement is p fascinating
― when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 29 March 2018 01:29 (six years ago) link
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive)
makes me think of buckingham/nicks every time i hear it
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Thursday, 29 March 2018 01:58 (six years ago) link
What does that stand for
― flappy bird, Thursday, 29 March 2018 02:12 (six years ago) link
The acronym
men (can) go their own wayyyyyyyGO THEIR OWN WAYYYYYYyou can call it another lonely guyyy
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Thursday, 29 March 2018 02:14 (six years ago) link
It’s supposed to be some kind of male rebellion against the horror show of modern marriage and divorce but it’s largely just “I’m wounded so I’m not going to play” under the surface.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 29 March 2018 02:43 (six years ago) link
Is it like some volcel offshoot or are they men going their own way who would also like women to go that way with them
― valorous wokelord (silby), Thursday, 29 March 2018 02:47 (six years ago) link
Sounds horrible
― flappy bird, Thursday, 29 March 2018 02:54 (six years ago) link
the ironic(?) thing is that MGOTW types are the most tolerable of the alt-right generally, since "going their own way" generally means leaving you the fuck alone
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 29 March 2018 03:09 (six years ago) link
― valorous wokelord (silby)
you motherfucker now i have lenny kravitz stuck in my head
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Thursday, 29 March 2018 03:13 (six years ago) link
Looks like it hasn’t been updated in a while but I remember laughing at this: https://sadmgtowapartments.tumblr.com/
― joygoat, Thursday, 29 March 2018 03:37 (six years ago) link
basically Peterson is the two ronnies circa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcMd1F1acSo
― papa don't take no meth (stevie), Thursday, 29 March 2018 06:48 (six years ago) link
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/380821-milo-yiannopoulos-charity-for-white-men-closes-with-questions#.Wr0Vuqa51VI.twitter
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Thursday, 29 March 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
https://splinternews.com/the-fascist-right-is-bloodied-and-soiled-1824093337/amp?__twitter_impression=true
― Simon H., Friday, 30 March 2018 02:08 (six years ago) link
Looks like Wikileaks has tweeted out a DM by accident. pic.twitter.com/MVsTgqAdVY— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) March 30, 2018
― Frederik B, Saturday, 31 March 2018 14:26 (six years ago) link
jordon peterson
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― Google lobster hierarchies (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 31 March 2018 14:41 (six years ago) link
I've been not online and not in Toronto for the last few days and it's been awesome to not see or hear about him at all
― Simon H., Saturday, 31 March 2018 14:42 (six years ago) link
Was reading someone I know talk about the way the alt-right target depression communities for recruitment and that those communities don't warn about this stuff nearly enough.
It doesn't surprise me but also news to me is that the folk music community has become particularly poisoned. Anyone witnessed this?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 31 March 2018 20:15 (six years ago) link
I haven't noticed, but I'm peripheral at best to the folk scene these days.
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Saturday, 31 March 2018 20:51 (six years ago) link
more like volk scene amirite?
― bad left terf nut (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 March 2018 20:53 (six years ago) link