the alt-right

that sentence was jumbly ^^^

i followed it. yeah, the way that kid was acting is not how i act.

still, i didn't learn not to do that from getting punched in the face.

i'm much more comfortable putting the onus of responsibility on the faculty chaperones rather than one kid

― Trϵϵship

my brother, who runs a restaurant in the area, is spending his day off doing the family "angry crank" thing at the cardinal (something along the lines of "the entire point of sending kids to catholic schools is to INCULCATE THEM WITH MORAL VALUES, these children are your responsibility")

god bless him, because the only people these types ever listen to are angry white men

is there a reason

at all

why dan i would in two swipes in a row at

mordy

utilise two very explicitly

nazi

references

is there

cos heres the thing

you want to be very fucking innocent looking yourself if thats an innocent mistake imo

I'm not sure what you're on about, but two very explicit Nazi refs are because these little fucking CHUDs are very explicitly Nazis, so it's fucking annoying to see folks absolving them because they happen to be slightly below the age of 18.

hey, here's some more from the same kids that day. I'm sure the nation of islam or whatever forced them to look up from their rosaries and harass these women, too

The Covington Catholic boys harrassed my friends and I before the incident with Nathan Phillips even happened. I'm tired of reading things saying they were provoked by anyone else other than their own egos and ignorance 🤦🏼‍♀️ pic.twitter.com/utdPFii92D

— linds (@roflinds) January 21, 2019

*takes massive shit on social media*

notwithstanding you being annoyed

i dont think anyone on ilx is that stupid-

and i think weve had some real fuckin bozos like-

that they would not be sure what im on about

so yeah

Dmac otm

your haikus aren't as subtle as you think. you're right, we've had some real fuckin bozos

attempts to explain-away his behaviour

there's a world of difference between an explanation and an excuse.

just from looking at his expression in the videos, I'd say he was riding an emotional wave that was partway between the visceral fear that he was going to get into a fist fight for acting like a fuckhead and exhilaration that he was getting away with that shit in front of his howling and admiring peers.

xp sorry for my poetic subtlety obscuring my point

your jew-baiting of mordy makes you look a total cunt itt

let me know if thats too floral for you

baiting mordy on ilx is how some people stand up against harassment, give him a break

I see I should've read further in the quisling definition.

your jew-baiting of mordy

seriously, fuck you

Ahh, the Discourse

when I am perturbed at something on ilx, I always ask myself "what would a total cunt do?"

hmm either the penny or the mask has dropped anyways

The word of today is "overcorrection".

Thanks for the catcall vid btw. Not shocked

xpost I misread that as "we've had some real fuckin bezos."

So glad some MAGA dudes tore us apart.

On the plus side we'll die someday

Lot of posts so I may well have missed it upthread but isnt"

"Initially the wrong guy got identified and attacked online"

way more important than

"actually i saw it from a different angle and now i have a different viewpoint"

I think I was overcorrecting a bit because of how much I dislike dox/call-out culture; the kids were definitely mocking Phillips in a group when he was there for the Indigenous Peoples' March. How was the wrong person identified and attacked, though? Hadn't heard of that.

So i only actually really noticed because when it popped up on twitter the kid was identified as a "Michael Hodge" (which is a familiar name to me for completely unrelated reasons). Then when i read the quote from the kid it was a completely different name. Might not have noticed otherwise

https://twitter.com/search?q=michael%20hodge&src=typd

1) Yesterday was supposed to be a day of celebration for my middle brother Alex, who got married last night. Instead my family had to deal with the fallout of my youngest brother #MichaelHodge being falsely accused for standing & smiling in front of an indigenous man with a drum

— Andrew Hodge (@PikePlaceTechie) January 20, 2019

This stuff has me second guessing too - also didn;t something similar happen with the Charlottesville murderer (another kid was misidentified first who was in another state at the time)

Collateral damage is to be expected and totally acceptable as long as the vigilante mob has its heart in the right place.

Anyway, can we get a Levinasian in here to better parse that bottomless face?

Damage? They'll be dining out on that story for years to come.

x-post: You spent yesterday complaining about people jumping to conclusions based on you reading a lawyer-written press release that's basically been completely debunked, and yet you just keep on as if nothing has happened, and you don't see the hypocrisy?

Was that one meant for me? Because the only thing I've been complaining about is the disproportionate response to a dumb kid doing exactly what's expected of him within the context of his toxic community. I'm not interested in the angles or whatever, and I don't even remotely condone that kid's behaviour. I'm just appalled at some people's complacency towards call-out culture, especially when it involves a fucking 16 year old. YMMV.

I think there should be consequences for his low-key white supremacist school and (I assume) at least 95% of the adult population of Park Hills, Kentucky. But making an example out of the kid based on a viral video is beyond the pale as far as I'm concerned.

doing exactly what's expected of him within the context of his toxic community

Not loving this tbh.

I can assure you, it's not complacency. Kids like that beat me up when I was younger. They harassed my girlfriend. They still cheer as people send me threats, or write about how I should go to a mental institution, or that I am a white knight psycho rapist, for writing about women in film. I know kids like that, and I know those kind of toxic communities, and I assure you once again, it's not complacency. I've thought about it a lot. I've had to. It's not a passtime for me, it's been forced into my life. And I assure you as well, that for 90% of people who went off on that kid, it was not complacency, it was a reaction to something they've never ever asked for, and never wanted in their lives. And it kinda pisses me off that you call it complacency, as if it's just an abstract thing for us.

I, too, have been on the receiving end of a sociopathic gang of teenagers not unlike those depicted in that video. I bumped into my would-be tormentors a few years after we graduated from high school and – lo and behold! – they'd cleaned up their act and started behaving like decent human beings, even without the benefit of mass online shaming. I wasn't exactly blameless throughout those years either, and I am glad that my (our) hormone-fuelled idiocy wasn't broadcast to the whole world, be it 'merely' as a symbol or a meme.

Good for you, but I can't use that for anything. As late as this summer I saw people on facebook asking if anyone knew where I lived, so that they could... discuss... something I'd written with me. Not everybody grows out of this, I'll figure out how to handle it on my own, thank you very much. And you might disagree, but don't you dare call it 'complacency.'

I at least grew up in a context where this kind of behaviour would have been deemed repugnant, and when kids crossed the (racist, sexist) line, they were taken to task for it. So if you're given the chance to know better and don't jump on it (sounds like this applies to those people you describe), tough luck, I've no qualms about others calling you out on your shit. But how are those kids in Park Hills, KY supposed to learn anything when burdened with such 'educators' as theirs? Who is primarily responsible for their aggressive conceitedness?

Seriously, though, I'm sorry you've had to go through that shit, Fred. Those guys can go fuck themselves.

Lot of posts so I may well have missed it upthread but isnt"

"Initially the wrong guy got identified and attacked online"

way more important than

"actually i saw it from a different angle and now i have a different viewpoint"

― anvil, Tuesday, January 22, 2019 7:15 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I honestly don't get people who take the position that this other CovCath student being misidentified as the kid in the video and being attacked = a bad thing, but the actual kid in the video being correctly identified and attacked = a good thing? Given that the ire is more about how he looks and what he represents than anything he as an individual actually did, what difference does it make? Presumably if the wrongly identified kid had happened to have been at the march rather than at a family wedding then these same people would be calling for him to be doxxed along with the other kids, would think that he bears collective responsibility along with the rest of the students etc?

i have no idea , but a necessary consequence of doxxing and misidentifying is that it is not possible to get 'the right guy' when there is a rush to get "a guy"

I’d have clipped the wee nyaff’s lug. As far as what should happen, I would suspend the kids involved, and make them sit through some detention speeches about native Americans. I’d maybe fire the chaperones. The social media blowout? Yeah, it’s kind of strong, and maybe counter productive. But I understand each individuals reaction - but there is an emergent punishment which is harsher than most individuals support. Still, fuck these kids, and especially fuck their teachers.

Alt-right is bad. This kid is bad. His teachers are bad. Online hate mobs shaming people are bad. Twitter is bad. 2019 is bad.

I don't think anyone on here has supported doxxing anyone?

can't believe we're not discussing charlie kirk getting benched at cedars sinai

It depends on what people mean by doxxing. I’d support identifying him for his school to deal with, but not with the total unveiling on social media.

I guess I mainly mean, is this stuff likely to move the kid back towards humanity, or cement his position on the far right. Given that moving towards the centre would involve admitting fault (which people don’t like) it seems. Likely to harden his heart.

Of course, it may still be worthwhile if it discourages others who would be coal supporters of the far right. I don’t know.

Doxxing and call out/cancelation culture could be an entirely other thread. Every single time there is a horrible event they always misidentify people (on purpose). I don't get it but I also don't do anything in my life for clicks.

*insert promising swim career trope*

Doxxing and calling out/cancelling is two very different things to me. There's putting pressure on Covington to deal with this - they must know who he is - and then there's trying to figure out/publicize his information on your own. Don't doxx, don't ever doxx, no matter what anyone does. Just don't doxx.