A thread for Disney's MOANA staring Auli'i Cravalho and Dwayne Johnson, songs by Lin-Manuel Miranda

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I thought this was really good! I was also interested to read about the cultural trust of Pacific Islander scholars and activists that helped shape the move and this thoughtful reaction from another Polynesian commentator.

The Rock's big number is on YouTube in its entirety, and the songs are delightful in general (if you like contemporary musicals/L-MM, anyway):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79DijItQXMM

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 02:35 (two years ago) Permalink

I just got back from seeing this, it was pretty good. The Rock's song was definitely a highlight. I may have snoozed out a bit somewhere during the middle.

Interesting that Disney made a "princess" movie that had absolutely no interest in romance of any sort.

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 03:33 (two years ago) Permalink

I was surprised the Jemaine Clement song wasn't written by him, because it was very Flight of the Conchords in Bowie mode

Vinnie, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 03:40 (two years ago) Permalink

This movie was great, looked great, loved how slow it was. My kids love the songs (or at least the two or so really good songs).

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 03:42 (two years ago) Permalink

this was good and deserves more critical attention. art design / animation were stellar, especially the luminous effects of the stone, the manta, the ghosts. and the mad mad coconuts. also, every time moana and maui spoke about te ka, i heard them say thit kho which made me hungry and confused.

remy bean, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 22:14 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

The main song clearly borrows the melody from the original Tron theme..

Spencer Chow, Saturday, 31 December 2016 04:40 (one year ago) Permalink

Liked this but that crab song was terrible. Good action sequences.

Jeff, Saturday, 31 December 2016 17:34 (one year ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Just watched this on Netflix, and I'm surprised this thread is only 7 posts so far!

A lot of bits throughout the whole movie had me choking up, like all of the scenes with Moana and her Grandma/manta ray, and the resolution itself was well wrought.

But I'm sure there's been talk about the ending: after Moana's restored the island, it looks like their whole village is leaving the island, which was kind of weird.

Also, I expected that Moana would get a tattoo after beating the finale boss.

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Did we even talk about it on the road movies nominations thread?

I feel like this is a good movie but not a great one, the songs are all just okay (jemaine's villain number in Rio is better, iirc) and I did appreciate the epic journey not feeling rushed quality of it, but at other times I feel like this was just a really amazing hair & water demo. Live action movies, shot on film, of people with long curly hair that gets wet don't have this much detail in them.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:14 (one year ago) Permalink

I do like how both Maui and Moana put up their hair in the biggest battles. People in most action movies typically don't think to do that.

Jeff, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:22 (one year ago) Permalink

It was fine but not particularly remarkable imo

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:25 (one year ago) Permalink

it was remarkable beautiful to look at

🎵oooh, kevin has a place in perth🎵 (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:36 (one year ago) Permalink

I kept thinking the chicken was going to turn out to be magic

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:59 (one year ago) Permalink

The villagers aren't leaving the island for good at the end, they're voyaging out to discover new islands as their ancestors used to do.

heaven parker (anagram), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:59 (one year ago) Permalink

"Good not great" is where I am with it too. It was fun, and beautiful to look at, but not quite as rich or thoughtful as Zootopia. I appreciated that they didn't even bother with a love interest.

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 21:02 (one year ago) Permalink

i have now seen this twice and as a moana expert it is a good movie that people should view or perhaps review

nice cage (m bison), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 21:09 (one year ago) Permalink

I've seen it about 20 times, my daughter loves it so much

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 21:13 (one year ago) Permalink

my son is a fan, he was singing "you're welcome" this weekend at grammas house

nice cage (m bison), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 21:21 (one year ago) Permalink

People in Hawaii generally v stoked about this movie. It does its best to make Hawaiian and Polynesian culture look really good. Seems like Disney was trying to make amends for Pocahontas. I just saw it a couple weeks back and was wondering if there's some good scholarly work on the movie from the Hawaiian Studies department at the university here, but I've been too busy to look into it

davey, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 21:43 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah I've probably seen it at least 75 times. Thanks 3 year old. It's the fucking worst when you hear You're Welcome right before you walk out the door though. In your head all day.

Jeff, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 21:45 (one year ago) Permalink

O hey I just saw the links in the first post, heh. Good stuff.

davey, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 22:57 (one year ago) Permalink

Weird thing to say re: pocahantas since Hawaiians don't consider themselves native americans

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 22:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Mid-Pacific Ocean is a long way from either American continent, so 'native American' would be a huge stretch (of open water) for Hawaiians (or any other Polynesians). We 'Americans' just happened to swallow them up during our colonial expansion.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 23:10 (one year ago) Permalink

Hawaii also an actual kingdom/functional state w a government, head of state, laws, defined borders, diplomatic recognition by other countries, etc.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 23:15 (one year ago) Permalink

Davey knows all this i assume, Disney may just have seen the situations as analogous ie "hmm maybe we should do better w this 'ethnic studies' sorta stuff"

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 23:19 (one year ago) Permalink

I learned more about polynesian folklore (esp. Maui, obv) because my daughter likes this movie than I ever would have otherwise, so they did a good job in that regard

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 23:24 (one year ago) Permalink

I liked the idea of this film when I first heard about it but I probably wasn't going to pay full ticket price for a musical starring The Rock
then I remembered I am a dad and also it's more appropriate to get choked up at these moves with the nuclear fam than when I'm by myself on a long airplane ride

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 23:33 (one year ago) Permalink

xpost to Jeff you didn't have a 3 yr old during the Age of Frozen, obsession was higher and way worse movie/songs

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 00:00 (one year ago) Permalink

no way dude Frozen has much better music if we're grading the musical aspec

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 00:11 (one year ago) Permalink

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nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 00:54 (one year ago) Permalink

Blegh wrong thread, mods delete?

nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 00:55 (one year ago) Permalink

woj is welcome here

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 01:22 (one year ago) Permalink

You're wojcome

nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 01:37 (one year ago) Permalink

Disney may just have seen the situations as analogous ie "hmm maybe we should do better w this 'ethnic studies' sorta stuff"

Yah, this is what I was getting at. Disney deserves credit for all the hard work to set up the cultural trust (and actually listen to what they had to say) for Moana. Also, it's true for obvious reasons that Hawaiians generally identify with Pacific Islanders more than Native Americans (because they are actually Pacific Islanders), but many do feel a kinship with the latter as 'first nations' peoples. I know that for my girlfriend at least (who is part Hawaiian), the events her college organized to bring out Native American groups and facilitate cultural exchange had profound significance for her. So, these aspects of cultural identity are fluid, and that's part of what makes Moana interesting and complicated.

davey, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 09:06 (one year ago) Permalink

five months pass...

This is generically ok but jemaines song is all time

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Monday, 1 January 2018 16:44 (eleven months ago) Permalink

The music in Frozen is NOT better than the music in Moana, what the hell

Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Monday, 1 January 2018 20:32 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Don't really think either matches up to tangled-musically and otherwise.

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Monday, 1 January 2018 20:35 (eleven months ago) Permalink

the music in Frozen IS better than this and I can only remember one song from Tangled

El Tomboto, Monday, 1 January 2018 20:47 (eleven months ago) Permalink

jesus god what has happened to me

El Tomboto, Monday, 1 January 2018 20:47 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Yeah wtf those are both nuts opinions

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Monday, 1 January 2018 20:49 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Jeff OTM, worth watching just for the animated hair.

mick signals, Monday, 1 January 2018 21:14 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I was late to the game and finally watched Moana, Tangled, Brave, and Frozen recently. I would rank them Moana (by a lot), Brave, Frozen, Tangled in that order.

Yerac, Monday, 1 January 2018 22:20 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I liked Brave a lot. I liked Frozen a lot too but mostly in spite of the music; there’s literally one memorable song in the whole movie.

Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 03:24 (eleven months ago) Permalink

My friend Dana as Moana for Halloween: https://www.instagram.com/p/BayCKxWhDQz/?taken-by=dananotdana

davey, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 04:46 (eleven months ago) Permalink

<3

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 04:57 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Idgi

Jeff, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 04:58 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I think Brave was a gorgeous muddle, Tangled tons of fun, Frozen I never need to see again (maybe confirmed by the horrid Coco short) and Moana pretty good.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 13:17 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i watched this with my 4 year old nephew over the holidays and cried. it is great.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:07 (eleven months ago) Permalink

this definitely passed the finding dory test, in that my daughter has watched it a zillion times and i still like it

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:17 (eleven months ago) Permalink

baby Moana is the cutest and I want to snatch her

horseshoe, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:20 (eleven months ago) Permalink

yeah the little kids are sooooo cute

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:21 (eleven months ago) Permalink

it’s pretty great

that scene where she’s a chubby lil baby playing with the wave is so <3 <3

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:05 (eleven months ago) Permalink

that scene enraptured me

horseshoe, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:33 (eleven months ago) Permalink

also i feel like the metanarrative of the songs is how Lin-Manuel feels about Puerto Rico and it ambushes me with unexpected emotion

horseshoe, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:34 (eleven months ago) Permalink

yeah otm

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:43 (eleven months ago) Permalink

rewatching right now :D

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 02:16 (eleven months ago) Permalink

the ocean animation makes me soooooo homesick for the beach, i want to jump right in

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 02:17 (eleven months ago) Permalink

"you're welcome" is so goddamn annoying. the rock doesn't need a song. or big hair tbf.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 January 2018 01:06 (eleven months ago) Permalink

we could make a thread for "the part of movies you've seen before where you know it's a great time to get up and pee, but you realize it a little bit too late and then it's too late and you still need to pee"

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 January 2018 01:08 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i love The Rock and “You’re Welcome”

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 January 2018 01:12 (eleven months ago) Permalink

ITT Tombot and VG disagree on a movie

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 January 2018 01:30 (eleven months ago) Permalink

He did well on it tbh but the songs a little annoying alright imo

But still tho jemaine jemaine jemaine

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 January 2018 01:31 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I like Moana a lot but the songs sung by the dudes in it are just all right

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 January 2018 01:36 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I’ll listen to you’re welcome a million times before the dumb crab song.

Jeff, Sunday, 7 January 2018 01:36 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Hmm my approach saves a lot of time

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 January 2018 01:39 (eleven months ago) Permalink

.......best animated Disney song nom/poll ever been done?

I mean it's the opener from beauty and the beast but still

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 January 2018 01:40 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i like the Jemaine song a lot too

SHIIINAAAY

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 January 2018 01:43 (eleven months ago) Permalink

that'd be a cool ballot poll! maybe open out to songs from animated films or kids' films generally, just to dodge disney exceptionalism and otherwise yknow "somewhere out there" and "pure imagination" are never gonna get polled. otoh i'd need a long-ass ballot for a poll where wizard of oz is dueling with moana so maybe just animated. i guess the one upshot to all-disney is space to throw a vote to eccentric personal faves like "ichabod crane" or some b.s. song no one remembers from the sword in the stone...

Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 7 January 2018 01:43 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I thought about it but all animated seems very wide, all kids impossible to do so, all movies then it's just the tonight quintet

Including live with disney-style animated just for the sake of 'somewhere' and you can't keep a god dog down (bow wow wow wow) but can't see that not causing a scrap tbh

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 January 2018 01:50 (eleven months ago) Permalink

We have threads barring Disney so I'd be all for some exceptionalism just for the sake of a clean poll, essentially

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 January 2018 01:51 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Would nearly consider it a good candidate for one of the write-up ballots

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 January 2018 01:51 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i mean having done all the disney movie polls i can't really try to bash the exceptionalist tendency now. but i did try to (sometimes) mention the other non-disney movies from the same period, just to try and get them back situated in the general history. iiiiii dunno....

Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 7 January 2018 01:57 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Let's see what it looks like in the morning

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 January 2018 02:14 (eleven months ago) Permalink

^ rejected hunchback opener fyi

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 January 2018 02:15 (eleven months ago) Permalink

You’re my best friend, my best friend
And we are family

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 January 2018 05:08 (eleven months ago) Permalink

The greatest Disney song is the first few seconds of the Mulan song that goes "let's get down to business/to defeat the Huns" no need to go thru the motions of polling

Bitcoin Baja (wins), Sunday, 7 January 2018 08:57 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I just rewatched Lilo and Stitch. Ugh, so good too. DIsney should just make hawaiian girl movies forever.

Yerac, Sunday, 7 January 2018 15:10 (eleven months ago) Permalink

The conclusion to the poll is v. deservedly going to be something from Jungle Book, methinks.

rb (soda), Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:11 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Oodelally song from Robin Hood

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:49 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Shit the jungle book yeah that's gonna be up there

Don't really know songs from robin hood!

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:03 (eleven months ago) Permalink

is disney’s robin hood the ground zero of the furry movement y/n

pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:08 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Poll

This thread is fecund

Aladdin btw has fantastic songs

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:09 (eleven months ago) Permalink

otm

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:34 (eleven months ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

this movie really passes the "kid has watched it 15X times and I still like it" test

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 February 2018 15:30 (ten months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Can't unhear

"See the line where the sky meets the sea? It calls me"

as

"It's a tragedy for me to see the dream is over..." from Milli Vanilli's "Girl I'm Gonna Miss You"

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 17 May 2018 16:28 (six months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

A thread for Disney's MOANA staring Auli'i Cravalho and Dwayne Johnson, songs by Lin-Manuel Miranda

best songs are by Opetaia Foa'i/Te Vaka imho:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60BQFGoMWd4

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 9 July 2018 18:08 (five months ago) Permalink

Love every second of this gorgeous movie and I cry like a drip every single time and just thinking about it or actually hearing the music now that I'm playing Albert's link /sob/

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 9 July 2018 18:39 (five months ago) Permalink

co-sign <3

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 July 2018 19:16 (five months ago) Permalink

I was looking for other performances from TeVaka/the Foa'i's and this was the only one I could find of this other great (also non-LMM) song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpKm-aYjMgc

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 9 July 2018 19:42 (five months ago) Permalink

... but with a little more research I learned that the above song (known on the Moana OST as "An Innocent Warrior" that plays during the scene when toddler Moana protects the baby sea turtle to the ocean and the ocean goddess plays with her and offers her the heart of Te Fiti) was written recorded by Te Vaka in 2000 as "Loimata E Maligi" (falling tears) about a tragic fire that killed 19 teenage girls in a dormitory in Tuvalu, and if you look that song up there is quite a bit of live footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkBsaVMQ9m8

My point for my latest revives stems from a discussion with my wife (who is LMM superfan #1, ie saw In The Heights like a dozen times) on our last road trip and we were listening to the Moana OST and she's all LMM this and LMM that, and I'm like look, I'm not trying to paint LMM as a Paul Simon or anything, but there were quite a bit of other folks who played and sang on this soundtrack and they have been largely ignored for their contributions which I'd rate equal to much higher than LMM's.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 9 July 2018 23:30 (five months ago) Permalink

Agree to some general extent, but I mean, LMM did "How Far You'll Go," "You're Welcome" and "Shiny," which are all pretty memorable and either the linchpin, or, in the case of the latter two, the showstoppers of the movie. I say this as the parent of two (growing) girls who sing these songs all the time. Regardless, I like that this movie has legs and is seemingly just shy of "Frozen" in terms of current Disney (musical) impact.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 11:49 (five months ago) Permalink


this movie really passes the "kid has watched it 15X times and I still like it" test

― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, February 5, 2018 10:30 AM (five months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My kid watched it twice in a row last night.

how's life, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 11:59 (five months ago) Permalink

LMM did "How Far You'll Go," "You're Welcome" and "Shiny," which are all pretty memorable

Aye, the latter two memorable for their sheer nails-on-chalkboard annoyance lol!

I say this as the parent of two (growing) girls who sing these songs all the time.

Yeah, I didn't mention the kids, my only hope is that when their journey with Moana is over, that their takeaway is the beautiful Pacific Islander culture/music and not LMM's shlocky cornball showtunes...

(haha I'm truly glad I can vent these normally unsaid opinions to you guys and not the family).

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 16:18 (five months ago) Permalink

you seem to be implying that shlocky cornball showtunes are a bad thing

devops mom (silby), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 16:20 (five months ago) Permalink

and I'm not done! I will admit "How Far I Go" is not awful, and that I actually enjoy most of "Where You Are" which I think Te Vaka do the music & the non-lead vox on.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 16:21 (five months ago) Permalink

I don't like cornball showtimes, particularly, but for those who do - which include most kids and pretty much anyone that likes showtimes, period - these cornball showtimes are quality. It definitely beats the schlocky bullshit neo-Christian rock stylings of Greatest Showman or Dear Evan Hanson or whatever.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 16:45 (five months ago) Permalink


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