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From Stuart Murdoch's interweb diary today http://www.banchory.net/belleandsebastian/181002.html

Now, after my stated intent, the reality of my weekly schedule might seem a little mundane. Sorry about that. We did have Trevor Horn come to see us a week ago while we were practising. We're looking for a producer for our next record.

Our group is very much entrenched in 'the old ways' when it comes to recording. We've never had much to do with the proper 'pop' industry, so we've always had to follow our noses, and our noses always lead us to the records that we loved, and they mostly came from the 60s and 70s. I ought not to go into some of the things we've done to get the imagined 'sound' we're after. It would take a while. But it has involved parking a massive mobile recording studio outside my house for two weeks before.

During the conversation, Trev admitted that he doesn't use tape at all when he records. Straight to computer. We were all a little shocked I think. We've been sticklers for expensive analogue tape to the point of lunacy before.

"Think of it like this" he said. "We had an outside toilet when I was a boy. I used to like going outside to use the toilet. You get very used to it. But I wouldn't have an outside toilet now."

And after he said that there was a moment of thoughtfulness and then you could see some of the care lifting from various member's faces. Myself included. And I think that's when we all threw our lot in with him.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 25 October 2002 12:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it is kind of insanely genius.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 25 October 2002 12:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I get it, I think they were quite sensible to get shot of him. Analogue is nice.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 25 October 2002 12:33 (twenty-three years ago)

bah, luddites

blueski, Friday, 25 October 2002 12:48 (twenty-three years ago)

bah, luddites - i dunno, i suppose the idea of making records sound old, amateurish, raw, antiquated etc. can be cool...but its not as if the bands of the 60s and 70s were saying 'woo i'm sure glad we have this annoying hiss running in the background eh guys?' it sounds like sampling a vinyl crackle and layering it over your digital beats, or using lens flare in photoshop perhaps...fake authenticity

blueski, Friday, 25 October 2002 12:52 (twenty-three years ago)

You nincompoops! The point is TREVOR HORN is going to be producing the next BELLE & SEBASTIAN lp!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:06 (twenty-three years ago)

but I have no idea who he is!

jel -- (jel), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:08 (twenty-three years ago)

And I think that's when we all threw our lot in with him

Doesn't this mean they went along with him? I read it as a damascene conversion sort of thing. am i getting wrong end of stick?

[ah JTN nips in in time]

Alan (Alan), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:09 (twenty-three years ago)

jel, he produced slayer (this is not true)

Alan (Alan), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Trevor Horn = The man behind BUGGLES and FRANKIE GOES TO HOLLYWOOD!

I have no doubt whatsoever that B&S will still suck, though.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never liked outside toilets, because they're always full of spiders and it's really quiet, so no, I don't think they're a good idea, although the thought of B&S using them fills me with joy. Potties in the studio would be good too.

I'm only signing up for the Trevor Horn experience if someone can promise me it'll sound more like Relax than The Power of Love. I would also like reassurance that he turned up in his Buggles outfit.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Not forgetting PROPAGANDA and THE ART OF NOISE! If this was 1984 model T.Horn and BYWTAS B+S it would have the potential to be kgrebt, but now it just seems a bit lame.

RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:17 (twenty-three years ago)

(I also get the last paragraph now, I'm too much of a literalist)

jel -- (jel), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:19 (twenty-three years ago)

The shadow of SEAL looms large...

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Can it possibly loom in any other way?

RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:22 (twenty-three years ago)

b&s are still going?????????

gareth (gareth), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I believe there are other ways in which looming can be done.

Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Seal is great. You all envy his SCARS.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:33 (twenty-three years ago)

What, you mean like weaving or something?

RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:42 (twenty-three years ago)

HA rickyT ist OTM!

katie (katie), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Seal was only great in combination with Adamski.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:44 (twenty-three years ago)

seconding seal grebtness

ron (ron), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:45 (twenty-three years ago)

arf! arf!

seal (katie), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:46 (twenty-three years ago)

When SEAL burst onto an unsuspecting pop scene back in the day, he called them SPOOK MARKS. I don't doubt his greatness, but I would like to disagree with myself about his shadow looming large over the new B&S project. What looms really really large is this:
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000002JK8.01.MZZZZZZZ
which can only be good news.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Is Madchen talking about her knitting again?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:47 (twenty-three years ago)

If they can come up with their very own "Left to my own devices" i'll be very happy with the result

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 27 October 2002 22:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Froot-of-the-looming?

Mandee, Sunday, 27 October 2002 23:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Whatever the results it's still a very funny story. Hey wait hold on you mean we....don't have to use tapes?

Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 October 2002 14:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Holy shit, Belle and Sebastian doing "Left To My Own Devices" would probably be the WORST THING EVER (worse than Xtina's new look).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 October 2002 15:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I love it that it took Trevor Horn to make them think twice about their love of crappy old tape. I think the results could be very good or very bad but either way they will probably be more interesting.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 28 October 2002 15:15 (twenty-three years ago)

It's certainly hard to imagine how Trevor Horn (or anyone else) could make them less interesting.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:51 (twenty-three years ago)

more jokes, please.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 28 October 2002 23:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I was surprised to note that Stu's got a girlfriend, but I guess I've never really bothered following what he's up to on a personal level.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 28 October 2002 23:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Publishing your diary always leads to trouble. It's best done after death.

Eno never worked with U2 again after his diary came out (with less than flattering portrayal of Paul McGuinness). I think we can expect turbulence before Horn actually turns Belle and Sebastian into the Art of Noise.

Hey, we could write the diary of the recording session now, to save Stuart time later.

July 11th 2003: Trevor brought in some wax cylinders of Italian futurists like Marinetti and Russolo playing their bang crash wallop stuff. His idea was that we should sample them for the drums. We didn't like the idea much, but thought it would be great to record the whole album on wax cylinders.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 02:32 (twenty-three years ago)

...and then release it on player piano transcription rolls.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 02:34 (twenty-three years ago)

The man produced The Buggles AND Dollar -- how can it possibly go wrong? Well, there's probably lots of ways it can wrong, but all of them are kind of intriguing.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 03:03 (twenty-three years ago)

No-one's mentioned THE LEXICON OF LOVE! I suspect this Lp'll sound much like the others, anyway.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 03:08 (twenty-three years ago)

If only they wore gold tuxedoes, with the caveat that they be worn un-ironically.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 03:12 (twenty-three years ago)

What the hell was Dollar like, anyway? I've heard the name but never the music.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 03:22 (twenty-three years ago)

they should work with the lonesome organist instead

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 10:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Dollar's David Van Day got in trouble the other day for staging a mock "siege" and kidnapping at some Variety club dinner. Nobody was impressed after the news about the gas attack siege story.

Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 10:25 (twenty-three years ago)

In case I gave an impression of being somehow dismissive earlier, I'd just like to add that Stuart's diary reveals him to be a person with an advanced and ethical attitude to technology rather than a luddite. He's not only embracing digital recording technology, but has recently sold his car and bought a travel pass for the Glasgow public transit system.

He's a man with his head well inside the 21st century. He's moving from mechanical systems to digital ones, from the individual to the collective, from polluting to less-polluting vehicles, and (if you read the bit about his campaign to save the Kelvingrove Park Bowling Greens) from car parks to bowling greens. Truly an example to us all.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 14:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmm, well, he used to go everywhere by public transport, then bought a car. Maybe his environmental ethics have done a U-turn but, from his diary, I'm under the impression that he's just selling it because he can't be arsed to with fixing it all the time. Also, he still insists on using phone boxes instead of getting a mobile - this is clearly not the behaviour of 21st century man.

Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 14:55 (twenty-three years ago)

he was looking to get some ivor cutler mp3s a while ago--FUTURISTIC.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 14:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, he still insists on using phone boxes instead of getting a mobile - this is clearly not the behaviour of 21st century man.

No. It is the behaviour of SUPERMAN.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:03 (twenty-three years ago)

maintaining bowling greens = only futuristic, collective and non-polluting if he gets a troupe of japanese voice-activated robots to cut the grass w.nailclippers

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:03 (twenty-three years ago)

What, instead of the group of Japanese cuties he has at the moment?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:04 (twenty-three years ago)

how brutish of you to make a distinction between "voice-activated robot" and "cutie"!!

or

[insert joke abt cuticles here]

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:25 (twenty-three years ago)

he was looking to get some ivor cutler mp3s a while ago--FUTURISTIC.

That's the cherry on the cake, as far as I'm concerned. INSTANT SAINTHOOD!

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Is merely having a collection of Ivor books/sessions taped off the radio not saintly?

"Oh look there at the back, a wooden tree, isn't it a pretty one?"

Liz :x (Liz :x), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Every mp3 you download from this page takes one hundred years off your allotted spell in Purgatory.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned check here. The Trevor Horn singles are much greater than the photo's would have you believe.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:31 (twenty-three years ago)

But Momus, you were raised Protestant.

*checks Dollar site*

...man, you better be right about that claim of yours, Billy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

But Momus, you were raised Protestant.

And Ivor Cutler's a jew. But who cares already, you gotta have a little chutzpah or else you end up a schlemiel, you know what I'm saying?

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Oy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 17:03 (twenty-three years ago)

haha, my place in heaven assured. if momus has any say.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 18:15 (twenty-three years ago)

(he doesn't :)

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 18:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned re Dollar just ask Marcello, Mark S or Dr C. We all can't be wrong (looks nervously), can we?

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 18:39 (twenty-three years ago)

nine months pass...

Belle & Sebastian
‘Dear Catastrophe Waitress’
album
Rough Trade
October 13


Belle & Sebastian are:
Stuart Murdoch – vocals, guitar, piano
Stevie Jackson – guitar, vocals
Sarah Martin – vocals, violin
Chris Geddes – piano, keyboards
Richard Colburn – drums
Mick Cooke – trumpet, guitar, bass guitar
Bob Kildea – bass guitar, guitar


Belle & Sebastian’s first album under the terms of their new deal with Rough Trade Records, ‘Dear Catastrophe Waitress’, is to be released by the label on October 13. And it’s not only the label that’s changed… Recorded with at-first-glance bizarre choice of Trevor Horn (Tatu/ABC/Frankie Goes To Hollywood) in the production chair, ‘Dear Catastrophe Waitress’ emerges as the band’s best and most fully realised work to date.

It may be their fifth fully-fledged studio album, but – dripping with memorable pop moments and sumptuous arrangements - ‘Dear Catastrophe Waitress’ is the first Belle & Sebastian record both able and likely to propel them beyond the realms of their ardent fan-base and out into the world at large.

Recorded at Hook End Manor in deepest Oxfordshire, and mixed in West London, ‘Dear Catastrophe Waitress’ positively zings with West Coast summery hooks, tight, witty writing and striking melodies.

The surprise pairing with producer Trevor Horn came about by the slightly prosaic process of Horn approaching the Belles and them doing a meeting out of mildly piqued interest. Within minutes of talking to him, however, they were sold. It is important to note that the album represents something of a departure for the producer, as he reportedly normally only allows the talent into the studio to do the vocal and then layers on everything else personally in their absence.

‘Dear Catastrophe Waitress’ is still resolutely a Belle & Sebastian record, full of their trademark tender, joyous Scottish pop, but this record displays a newly-found confidence at the band’s heart.

So, the initially Clashy garage vibe of ‘Stay Loose’ is matched against non-sequiturial electro elements and duelling guitars to make an unlikely but riveting six minute-plus epic. Duelling guitars of another colour raise their necks in ‘I’m A Cuckoo’s intended nod to the genius of Thin Lizzy. But instead of Lynott’s (admittedly compelling) machismo we get Stuart’s altogether sweeter and reflective take on relationship disintegration, which is both funny and heartrending as fuck, and actually contains the couplet “I’d rather be in Tokyo / I’d rather listen to Thin Lizzy-o”.

“I was telling Stevie about my hopes for ‘I’m a Cuckoo’,” said Stuart at the time of mixing the album. “At one point I said to Trevor that I didn’t care about the other tracks on the record as long as we ‘got’ this one. I guess I wanted it to be ‘Don’t Fear The Reaper’ and ‘Make Me Smile’ and ‘Virginia Plain’ and ‘There Is A Light’ all rolled into one. And I’m just realising, it ain’t going to happen.”

But it is this thwarted questing after pop perfection, which keeps them driving forward. “I should learn my lesson, but then I never learn my lesson, and neither does Stevie. I guess if we ever learned our lesson we would lay down our tools and go boating instead. Do something else. But we’ve still got work to do. I can see the sadness in his eyes and he can see the madness in mine.”

“Pretty much if each track doesn’t bring me to tears with relief and pleasure combined, they don’t get on the record,” Stuart says. “I’ve got a pretty low tear threshold, it must be said, but at least you know it’s costing us something.”

‘Roy Walker’ combines 50’s rock-and-roll, flickers of free form jazz and amazing Beach Boys harmonies. Further good vibrations arise in the first single, ‘Step Into My Office Baby’, with its saucy lyrics about “pushing for a raise” in the work environment, and other similar thinly-veiled entendres about dictation and “taking down everything she said”.

Elsewhere, ‘Piazza, New York Catcher’ - inspired by Stuart’s deep love of baseball - asks question everyone else was avoiding asking by enquiring “are you straight or are you gay?” of the Mets’ legendary and somewhat “ambiguous” star. Interestingly enough considering the producer’s rep, it is the 4-track demo of this track you will be hearing on the record.

Title track ‘Dear Catastrophe Waitress’, meanwhile, somehow manages to shoehorn a ludicrously big orchestral arrangement into its two minutes of off-the-wall strangeness. Sarah takes lead vocal on her own ‘Asleep On A Sunbeam’, though car or heavenly light is never entirely clear. In ‘Lord Anthony’ the Belles deliver a song written by Stuart in the days before B&S, which has long been a mainstay of bootlegging fans across the globe, and here it finally gets the lush strings it has always deserved.

In the end, over-running and up against it, the mixing of ‘Dear Catastrophe Waitress’ was finished with Stuart in his pyjamas, since all the band’s clothes and possessions had been sent home to Glasgow when the session was scheduled weeks previously. Cabin fever must have begun to set in because working titles for the album listed at the time on the band’s diary included ‘Nazi Sinatra’, ‘Wanker’s Forest’ and ‘If You’re Going To Get Hung For Stealing A Horse, You Might As Well Shag It’.


‘Dear Catastrophe Waitress’ – album tracklisting;

Step Into My Office Baby
Dear Catastrophe Waitress
If She Wants Me
Lord Anthony
Asleep On A Sunbeam
I’m A Cuckoo

You Don’t Send Me
Wrapped Up In Books
Piazza, New York Catcher
If You Find Yourself Caught In Love
Roy Walker
Stay Loose

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“It’s always going to be hard to put rich and abstract thoughts into words, but I suppose that's what I'm trying to do when I write a song. A good one at least,” says Stuart. “It starts with a feeling, just this odd feeling that springs up from nowhere, and I clumsily try turn the feeling into a song, because I want to pass the feeling on.

“I don't mean to claim that these thoughts are exclusive to me. I'm sure everyone gets them, and what people choose to do with them is unique and personal. Maybe you store them up, maybe you think about them when you're trying to get to sleep, maybe they're in your top ten daydreams when you're in a boring meeting and your eye is drawn to the window and the sky beyond.”
______________________________________________________________________________________

The first single,‘Step Into My Office Baby’, will be released by Rough Trade in November.

Following hot on the heels of the album, the band’s previous label Jeepster are to release an encyclopaedic DVD of their entire career to date (see separate press release).

Belle & Sebastian are playing three huge American shows in August ahead of planning UK performances for later in the year.

*August 19th, Prospect Park Bandshell, Brooklyn, NY.
*August 22nd, Greek Theatre on UC Berkeley Campus, Berkeley, CA.
*August 24th, Greek Theatre, Los Angeles, CA.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

this project has caused brilliant pavar0tti-related ripples

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

"Step Into My Office Baby" sounds staggeringly awful.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

this project has caused brilliant pavar0tti-related ripples

You mean it gets Ballerinas excited?

I am interested in hearing the Trevor Horn production.

Larcole (Nicole), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Instrumental mix U+K.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought you were nice, ned.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned didn't call for the vocalists for B&S to be tied to trees beaten with bricks while incontinent monkey frolic in the branches above them = Ned is nicer than I am.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I never thought you were nice, dan.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Too-shay.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm glad we're all agreed. Dan interprets my more atavistic urges in ways where I don't have to say anything.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

The press release makes it sound awful. Press releases always do.

Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)


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