Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

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For the uninitiated, CTH is a very popular (to the tune of $30k+ per month coming in via Pateron) podcast by a group of foul-mouthed socialists with a tendency to tear into liberals with just as much (if not more) zeal than conservatives. They were recently profiled/critiqued in the New Yorker. The episode in which they respond to the article (mostly by viciously mocking the author and the New Yorker in general) is a decent introduction. There's also a critique of the critique, of course.

I'm interested in this growing notion of the "dirtbag left" and the increasing ranks of the DSA, which I recognize are partly separate phenomena. (There is an amusing schism in their demo between the very young and the very old.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:11 (one year ago) Permalink

This was probably the best intro I ever read:

http://splitsider.com/2016/09/explaining-the-chapo-trap-house-podcast-to-the-uninitiated/

Which gets into the reference-heavy jag the show occasionally launches off on.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:17 (one year ago) Permalink

these dudes sound pretty unpleasant tbh

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:22 (one year ago) Permalink

I follow some dem socialists on Twitter and it took me like three goddamn months that it was a podcast and not just some sort of weird meme

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:23 (one year ago) Permalink

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:25 (one year ago) Permalink

I have only heard a few recent episodes, but the divide in airtime between vulgar comic riffs and actual discussion/intvws is pretty much 50/50

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:27 (one year ago) Permalink

to answer yr question more directly Tombot I have seen a *lot* of tweets w/ CTH fans flaunting their newly received Socialist Organizer mailers/cards, anecdotal certainly but not nothing

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:31 (one year ago) Permalink

They're still spending way too much time complaining about Hillary, the election and their critics. I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (one year ago) Permalink

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

iatee otm

illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (one year ago) Permalink

This sounds pretty 'edgy'. I'll be interested to see what these guys do once they're out of high school.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:38 (one year ago) Permalink

I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Agreed, I think this will be a necessity after the inauguration anyway

tbh I mostly enjoy their eviscerations of liberal commentators/thinkers - fish in a barrel, sure, but undeniably satisfying

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (one year ago) Permalink

Have never listened to the show, read the article, I think i follow a couple of them on twitter. I hadn't realized they responded to the article with vicious mockery on their show, that's kind of a bummer since I saw them responding to outraged CTH devotees on twitter with essentially "chill the fuck out, it was a pretty good profile."

JoeStork, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (one year ago) Permalink

in the following episode they emphasized that they were embarrassed by people defending them

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:40 (one year ago) Permalink

I think the 'jerks being jerks' stuff is overstated. I've listened to 10-12 eps now and there's nothing really offensive? They pick on dweeby Twitter people and pundits.

The episodes where they read from Ross Douthat and Megan McCardle's books are the best I've heard, followed by the interview with Adam Curtis.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:47 (one year ago) Permalink

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

It's an Air America show that can survive on its listener base, I don't think anyone's expecting them to start a revolution with a podcast. It's amusing to listen to a talk show with an actual left-wing viewpoint.

At least some of them are active with DSA and similar groups but they're also just relatively privileged liberal arts college NYC alt-media people.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:51 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm realizing I could have asked the same question about Das Racist (RIP) and gotten kind of the same answer and it would have been fine. Why I felt the need to ask it of a podcast as if that requires a different kind of "authentic" pedigree is weird, and my thinking needs unpacking on that

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to dirtbag causes?

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:35 (one year ago) Permalink

I think I need it explained to me how they are not directly related

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:20 (one year ago) Permalink

I've listened to most episodes, it's a great podcast. Their coverage of the primaries was often very funny. An early ep had a great guest who detailed the situation w teacher strikes in Mexico. Occasionally they do succumb to the more deluded and counter productive tendencies of hardcore Berners though.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:43 (one year ago) Permalink

i'll out myself. matt's a thoughtful guy. felix is lol in most moods and he reminds me eerily of turkey-obsessed college friends i miss; also i found his les mis reading compelling. will clearly guides the whole thing and holds episodes together but imo is the blankest when he goes on the attack. some episodes really are just them giggling at their own press clips. thought it was completely hilarious that their william f buckley impression was actually a capt. peter peachfuzz impression.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:40 (one year ago) Permalink

obviously the keep it negative dickhole zing crew should run podcasting

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:42 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't think "keep it negative" is a fair summation of their worldview

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:44 (one year ago) Permalink

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

maybe if we brainstormed some more descriptions of trump's hair

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (one year ago) Permalink

afaict they're in the same gen x/millenial straddler segment as a bunch of my peers, sneer at the gen x detachment and corporate institutions equally, and are well-versed in the web communities that predate the 4chan weird bullshit, parallel to or members of somethingawful and other shit of the time

idk it's a thing where every political opinion coming from them seems like a deep-seated reaction from living through the late 90s and early 00s and that's the lens

mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (one year ago) Permalink

douthat rip is savage

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4. By the time they're talking about current events, Trump's first term will be over

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:24 (one year ago) Permalink

I thoroughly enjoy the Chapo Trap House. When I first discovered it it felt like a real catharsis to hear other people roughly my age or a little younger shredding New Democratism and bad centrist punditry of both liberal and conservative varieties but not in a lefty crank, counterpunch sort of way.

I can't say I love the new format with more regulars and preferred the dynamic of just Felix-Matt-Will. I like Amber and Virgil Texas individually I just don't feel like the show works as well with them regularly participating.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:27 (one year ago) Permalink

ALSO as I think we talked about a little on the podcast thread, it seems harder for them to find their footing in a Trump world, now that the irrelevant centrist punditry has actually been rendered irrelevant.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:39 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4.

I've found that playback at 1.25x speed can be your friend.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:52 (one year ago) Permalink

i couldn't get through an episode of this, even though i generally agree with them

it just... isn't funny at all, or insightful. probably because the things that are funny and insightful in sad leftist twitter aren't funny outside of sad leftist twitter

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:16 (one year ago) Permalink

Whiney, just listen to the Freeway Ross Douthat episode then skip to current events. Discussing the conventions doesn't really work as entertainment six months after the fact.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:20 (one year ago) Permalink

being a completionist about a politics podcast is the most onion a/v club thing i've ever heard

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:22 (one year ago) Permalink

I tried to listen to an episode but I just found it unbearable, but I realize I should have listened before I read that interview they did with Paste, which is hands down the most embarrassing thing I read last year: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/07/chapo-trap-house-are-the-vulgar-brilliant-demigods.html

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:24 (one year ago) Permalink

i've encountered enough asshole know-it-all leftists on twitter (including at least one of the chapo guys, i think) that i haven't exactly been eager to give this a try.

Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:25 (one year ago) Permalink

"I haven't listened to this but I don't like it based on reading an article about it" is the most boring and non-contributing thing you can possibly say.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Except I did listen to it?

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:29 (one year ago) Permalink

Like, "I tried to listen to an episode" is the first goddamn thing I say in my post

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:30 (one year ago) Permalink

They do definitely reflect the worst of leftist Twitter at times. Like it's clear from recent episodes their way of continuing in Trump World will be to still hammer Clinton relentlessly land act like centrist democrats are worse than actual fascists. They are really mad at Hillary for losing to Trump when all I heard from them for months was that she was just as bad.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:13 (one year ago) Permalink

The show works better for me when Matt or Amber bring up something that show they've done a but more homework on this stuff.

My particular fave episodes are stuff like having on Adam Curtis, Matt Karp on his book on Antebellum American politics setting up race science and eugenics shit trickling down to Breitbart, or even the pilot ep of sorts where they excoriate the weird mentality behind Michael Bay's "13 Hours."

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:23 (one year ago) Permalink

xp p sure they're mad at hillary for beating bernie with the weight of the DNC behind her, propping up trump as an easy win and then running an embarrassing general election campaign built on "of course i'll win"

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:45 (one year ago) Permalink

and given that this toolbag seems to be the presumptive 2020 favorite of the DNC, which has not shown any indication of shifting platform aside from a few pockets of support for keith ellison, keeping the fire under the democrats might be the only thing that saves us from 4 additional years of actual fascism

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:49 (one year ago) Permalink

Nerderik P.

salthigh, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:17 (one year ago) Permalink

The "weight of the DNC" that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow. We can blame this vague "rigging" for Bernie's loss (and not acknowledge that maybe he should campaigned in the south) but can't admit the Comey letter had an effect on Hillary's?

After the primary was pretty much over they called the differences between Trump and Clinton "a wash". Matt Christman perpetuated the deluded idea that the Bernie delegates at the Nevada caucus were "disenfranchised", just as one example. Granted it wasn't the job of the left to get Hillary elected (I'd have personally preferred Bernie for a number of reasons) but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign. Many Dems have been able to acknowledge that she was a vulnerable candidate that we were stuck with because not enough people ran but it seems like it would literally kill many on the left to just say "we got carried away".

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:23 (one year ago) Permalink

but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign

You kind of do? I listened to the post-DNC podcasts and a lot of commentary revolved around things that seemed iffy even at the time when it seemed like a lock - trotting out Mike Bloomberg, the lineup of neocon security/military people lining up for Hillary, etc.. It goes back to 2000/2002 - if you're going to present Republican-lite as the face of the party why wouldn't the voters who are into that just vote for real Republicans? They were also right back then on focusing on decency being poor judgement.

Were the Hillary fainting jokes in bad taste? Sure. That's still the most tiresome part of the podcast, but it's also a fairly small part of it.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:33 (one year ago) Permalink

Funny thing about Bloomberg is we was one of the few convention speakers who got kind of a positive reaction from the Bernie or busters there when he mentioned that he described himself as an "independent" what or John Lewis got anti-tpp chants. There was definitely messaging problems w HRC's campaign but given the consequences of the election (potential loss of social programs for one) people with visibility on the left seemed reluctant to encourage voting for the obviously better choice of the corny old lady and pickedvthr campsign apart for things all high level campaigns do becuae they were probably confident she was going to win anyway.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:55 (one year ago) Permalink

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, January 4, 2017 3:23 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think spreading memes has ever been productive in any direction

seriously didn't realize there were still people aside from high ranking democrat pols and frederik who think the answer to defeating trumpism over the next 4 years is to double down on the 2016 strategy

this is some gluing humpty dumpty together again shit

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:00 (one year ago) Permalink

that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow

yeah it's almost like these are two different candidates running on entirely different platforms with entirely different relationships to the DNC

how close are you to running out the "of course the DNC sank bernie, he wasn't a member of their party!" argument that was briefly popular 8 months ago in an entirely different america

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:04 (one year ago) Permalink

Yes, Mike Bloomberg is a well-known figure on the socialist lecture circuit. Hugely popular on the left. Yuge.

It is a reminder that the one thing worse than jokes about Hillary's medical problems is the narrative around BernieBros and "Bernie or Busters" where whatever ills that pop into your head can be ascribed to them.

The fundamental disconnect here appears to be your belief that the left's issue with Clinton is that she was "corny."

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (one year ago) Permalink

xxp obvs

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (one year ago) Permalink

I never said "everything was perfect w HRC's messaging except that leftist twitter and this podcast didn't like it". I'd have preferred a different candidate but Hillary won the primary, she was obviously the better candidate compared to Trump. When you vote for a candidate you are voting a coalition into office. Making equivrlrncies beyeeen her and Trump was ridiculous then (kind of offensive actually when you put in perspective ) and looks even more ridiculous now. Maybe you can post the photo of them at a party together I've seen a million times and I'll withdraw that.

We have social media, we know the left got "carried away" I don''t see the point in denying that base level reality. I mean people were literally crying st the convention because they thought Bernie would get the nomination somehow.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:12 (one year ago) Permalink

I like ContraPoints a lot. Not a huge fan of the vlog format but can't fight the future man.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 7 May 2018 12:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah, the vlog format loses a lot of the convenience of pods for me (not great on transit or at work) but I'm glad there's finally a growing ecosystem to counter the chud glut. I did watch her Peterson video and thought it was hilarious and pretty thorough.

Simon H., Monday, 7 May 2018 13:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Contra's doing excellent work. Nice that she's getting more attention.

jmm, Monday, 7 May 2018 17:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Oliver North back in the news as well

Google lobster hierarchies (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 08:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Seemed like the most appropriate place to stick this trash

Here are some things that you will hear when you sit down to dinner with the vanguard of the Intellectual Dark Web: There are fundamental biological differences between men and women. Free speech is under siege. Identity politics is a toxic ideology that is tearing American society apart. And we’re in a dangerous place if these ideas are considered “dark.”

I was meeting with Sam Harris, a neuroscientist; Eric Weinstein, a mathematician and managing director of Thiel Capital; the commentator and comedian Dave Rubin; and their spouses in a Los Angeles restaurant to talk about how they were turned into heretics. A decade ago, they argued, when Donald Trump was still hosting “The Apprentice,” none of these observations would have been considered taboo.

Today, people like them who dare venture into this “There Be Dragons” territory on the intellectual map have met with outrage and derision — even, or perhaps especially, from people who pride themselves on openness.

It’s a pattern that has become common in our new era of That Which Cannot Be Said. And it is the reason the Intellectual Dark Web, a term coined half-jokingly by Mr. Weinstein, came to exist.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/opinion/intellectual-dark-web.html

Simon H., Tuesday, 8 May 2018 12:51 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It almost deserves it's own thread. Fucking hell, that was an exhausting read.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, even by the dim standards of the NYT op-ed page it's a real ordeal to get through. Klion's thread p much covers it for me

The piece is extremely bad, and Weiss and Bennet alone can’t be blamed for that. NYT assigned a Pulitzer-winning photojournalist who covered the Obama campaign to do a flattering spread of some of the biggest charlatans in the country. This is appalling, an affront to journalism.

— David Klion (@DavidKlion) May 8, 2018

Simon H., Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

EXCLUSIVE: I got some hacker friends to help me find images from Bari Weiss' Dark Web. It's chilling, shocking, and appalling what these brave dissidents have had to resort to - the dangerous places they've been forced to go to - just to be heard. pic.twitter.com/lA6RiX8wAr

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) May 8, 2018

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Was Bari Weiss the one who complained about being called out for using tweets by bots? Or am I confusing the very bad people at NYT?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

If we want to take these fraudsters seriously (which doesn't mean taking them at their word, obviously) this is the central paragraph:

But they all share three distinct qualities. First, they are willing to disagree ferociously, but talk civilly, about nearly every meaningful subject: religion, abortion, immigration, the nature of consciousness. Second, in an age in which popular feelings about the way things ought to be often override facts about the way things actually are, each is determined to resist parroting what’s politically convenient. And third, some have paid for this commitment by being purged from institutions that have become increasingly hostile to unorthodox thought — and have found receptive audiences elsewhere.

I almost want to do a point by point demolition, but then I realized that it begins with describing qualities that they 'all' share, and then the third point is that 'some' have been purged. It's inconsistent on the most basic level of argument, just an absolute embarrassment.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i look forward to matt christman screaming his way through the chapo nuking-from-space of this garbage

Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

lmao everyone is dunking on this POS

Until now, I didn't realize how oppressed I am. I mean, sure, I get to write for the Times, am very well paid, and am invited to speak to audiences all over the world. But sometimes people criticize me and my ideas. Why, it's positively Stalinist! https://t.co/zj9yBuZ0WI

— Paul Krugman (@paulkrugman) May 8, 2018

Simon H., Tuesday, 8 May 2018 14:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

lollllll

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 14:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

comedian Dave Rubin

i just

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 15:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

anyone who gives the NYT any money needs to reconsider

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 16:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

And yet, when Ms. Owens and Charlie Kirk, the executive director of Turning Point USA, met last week with Mr. West at the Southern California Institute of Architecture, just outside of the frame — in fact, avoiding the photographers — was Mr. Weinstein. He attended both that meeting and a one-on-one the next day for several hours at the mogul’s request. Mr. Weinstein, who can’t name two of Mr. West’s songs, [...]

'Well, there's 'Jesus Walks', obviously. And then you got your 'N***as in'... n***as in.. hmm, now where were those n***as?'

kinder, gentler (sleepingbag), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 16:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

is that the Evergreen guy?

flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 16:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

ya

kinder, gentler (sleepingbag), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 16:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i haven't read the weiss piece and i don't think i will. i have a very specific and detailed hatred of everyone involved, i don't need this shit.

goole, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 18:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Attn Simon:

https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-36-maplewashinglooking-behind-canadas-progressive-veneer

Episode 36: Maplewashing — Looking Behind Canada’s Progressive Veneer

May 9, 2018

For decades, Canada has been a go-to point of reference for American progressives as a country the United States can and should strive to be. And while there are many parts about Canadian society that are measurably preferable, leftists in Canada find their country's glossy, socialist paradise image to be overblown and often a barrier to meaningful change.

This episode examines this tension, the reality versus perception, what we can learn from each other, and the common and existential thread we share of white settler-colonialism.

With guests Eriel Tchekwie Deranger of Indigenous Climate Action and writer Luke Savage.

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 22:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

lmao I downloaded that to my phone like two hours ago, will listen on the commute tomorrow

so far it's very easy to read every article from Resistancehole in Felix's lib-mocking voice

Simon H., Wednesday, 9 May 2018 22:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Barbara Ehrenreich, fuck yeah

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 10 May 2018 02:31 (one week ago) Permalink

good get!

Simon H., Thursday, 10 May 2018 13:22 (one week ago) Permalink

I was amused to learn they cut most of Felix's audio from when he appeared on one of the Pod Save America guys' shows in LA. I did listen to that some time ago and I was surprised at how tame it was...

Simon H., Thursday, 10 May 2018 13:23 (one week ago) Permalink

Chapo Trap House is a great name for this podcast because just hearing that name with no other information at all you know it's lib white guys

rip van wanko, Thursday, 10 May 2018 13:55 (one week ago) Permalink

dead-on apart from the part about libs

and white guys

Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 10 May 2018 13:58 (one week ago) Permalink

they have an asian male AND a woman, sir

Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 10 May 2018 13:58 (one week ago) Permalink

does she have a beard because I'm looking through gis and

rip van wanko, Thursday, 10 May 2018 14:12 (one week ago) Permalink

anyway

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 10 May 2018 14:14 (one week ago) Permalink

noted dsa activist and bearded lady amber a'lee frost

Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 10 May 2018 14:15 (one week ago) Permalink

anyway

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 10 May 2018 14:18 (one week ago) Permalink

But it was the three white guys who chose the name, right? ;)

anyway

Frederik B, Thursday, 10 May 2018 14:22 (one week ago) Permalink

it's culturally appropriative of drug kingpins

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 10 May 2018 14:24 (one week ago) Permalink

wait, I checked and they're right

https://addtext.com/X2V2ijq?_loc=photo_next_modal_share

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 10 May 2018 14:37 (one week ago) Permalink

anyway

Frederik B, Thursday, 10 May 2018 14:42 (one week ago) Permalink

https://ibb.co/cTRWgJ

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 10 May 2018 14:46 (one week ago) Permalink

lol, hotlinking is not working for me today

anyway

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 10 May 2018 14:46 (one week ago) Permalink

you can expect a fresh round of "who do these assholes think they are?!" takes when they hit 100k on Patreon, which will be in the near future

(I think they've made more than enough money as it is, #BlackWolfFeed forever)

Simon H., Thursday, 10 May 2018 14:47 (one week ago) Permalink

I like that they included a "Come to Amber's workshop on canvassing" spot recently. I wish there was more of that and less America the Book plugging

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 10 May 2018 15:16 (one week ago) Permalink

you can expect a fresh round of "who do these assholes think they are?!" takes when they hit 100k on Patreon, which will be in the near future

(I think they've made more than enough money as it is, #BlackWolfFeed forever)


they should make more imo

flappy bird, Thursday, 10 May 2018 15:27 (one week ago) Permalink

Black Wolves must be hunted down

flappy bird, Thursday, 10 May 2018 15:27 (one week ago) Permalink

This was a great ep btw, except the part when Ehrenreich was like “mammograms and colonoscopies don’t prevent disease” gtfooooooo

flappy bird, Thursday, 10 May 2018 15:29 (one week ago) Permalink

I haven't read her book yet but it sounds like it works more as a meditation on our societal attitudes toward health and death than as sound analysis of specific procedures and treatments.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 10 May 2018 15:45 (one week ago) Permalink

iirc there is some dispute over the effectiveness of mammograms?

Simon H., Thursday, 10 May 2018 15:50 (one week ago) Permalink

There is dispute over how broadly and at what age mammograms and colonoscopies should be recommended. I think there is no dispute over whether they prevent disease, but some dispute (at least in the colonoscopy case, which I know about a little more) about whether a broadened testing regime leads people to get surgeries to remove slow-growing tumors they could have just unknowingly lived with for the rest of their life, and out of every 1000 surgeries, especially with older patients, you're gonna have some bad outcomes. But I wouldn't say they "don't prevent disease," just that there are health costs in addition to the health benefits.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 10 May 2018 15:55 (one week ago) Permalink

apparently quite a lot of women get false positives on mammograms and end up getting cancer treatment they don't need. so there is some dispute as to how early and how often women should get them when you weigh up the benefits of early detection vs these false positives.

there will be some article on the NYT or similar about it if you have a google

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 May 2018 16:16 (one week ago) Permalink

there's also the whole "breast cancer industry" thing.

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 May 2018 16:17 (one week ago) Permalink

ah word

flappy bird, Thursday, 10 May 2018 16:49 (one week ago) Permalink


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