Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

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For the uninitiated, CTH is a very popular (to the tune of $30k+ per month coming in via Pateron) podcast by a group of foul-mouthed socialists with a tendency to tear into liberals with just as much (if not more) zeal than conservatives. They were recently profiled/critiqued in the New Yorker. The episode in which they respond to the article (mostly by viciously mocking the author and the New Yorker in general) is a decent introduction. There's also a critique of the critique, of course.

I'm interested in this growing notion of the "dirtbag left" and the increasing ranks of the DSA, which I recognize are partly separate phenomena. (There is an amusing schism in their demo between the very young and the very old.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:11 (one year ago) Permalink

This was probably the best intro I ever read:

http://splitsider.com/2016/09/explaining-the-chapo-trap-house-podcast-to-the-uninitiated/

Which gets into the reference-heavy jag the show occasionally launches off on.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:17 (one year ago) Permalink

these dudes sound pretty unpleasant tbh

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:22 (one year ago) Permalink

I follow some dem socialists on Twitter and it took me like three goddamn months that it was a podcast and not just some sort of weird meme

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:23 (one year ago) Permalink

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:25 (one year ago) Permalink

I have only heard a few recent episodes, but the divide in airtime between vulgar comic riffs and actual discussion/intvws is pretty much 50/50

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:27 (one year ago) Permalink

to answer yr question more directly Tombot I have seen a *lot* of tweets w/ CTH fans flaunting their newly received Socialist Organizer mailers/cards, anecdotal certainly but not nothing

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:31 (one year ago) Permalink

They're still spending way too much time complaining about Hillary, the election and their critics. I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (one year ago) Permalink

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

iatee otm

illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (one year ago) Permalink

This sounds pretty 'edgy'. I'll be interested to see what these guys do once they're out of high school.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:38 (one year ago) Permalink

I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Agreed, I think this will be a necessity after the inauguration anyway

tbh I mostly enjoy their eviscerations of liberal commentators/thinkers - fish in a barrel, sure, but undeniably satisfying

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (one year ago) Permalink

Have never listened to the show, read the article, I think i follow a couple of them on twitter. I hadn't realized they responded to the article with vicious mockery on their show, that's kind of a bummer since I saw them responding to outraged CTH devotees on twitter with essentially "chill the fuck out, it was a pretty good profile."

JoeStork, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (one year ago) Permalink

in the following episode they emphasized that they were embarrassed by people defending them

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:40 (one year ago) Permalink

I think the 'jerks being jerks' stuff is overstated. I've listened to 10-12 eps now and there's nothing really offensive? They pick on dweeby Twitter people and pundits.

The episodes where they read from Ross Douthat and Megan McCardle's books are the best I've heard, followed by the interview with Adam Curtis.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:47 (one year ago) Permalink

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

It's an Air America show that can survive on its listener base, I don't think anyone's expecting them to start a revolution with a podcast. It's amusing to listen to a talk show with an actual left-wing viewpoint.

At least some of them are active with DSA and similar groups but they're also just relatively privileged liberal arts college NYC alt-media people.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:51 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm realizing I could have asked the same question about Das Racist (RIP) and gotten kind of the same answer and it would have been fine. Why I felt the need to ask it of a podcast as if that requires a different kind of "authentic" pedigree is weird, and my thinking needs unpacking on that

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to dirtbag causes?

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:35 (one year ago) Permalink

I think I need it explained to me how they are not directly related

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:20 (one year ago) Permalink

I've listened to most episodes, it's a great podcast. Their coverage of the primaries was often very funny. An early ep had a great guest who detailed the situation w teacher strikes in Mexico. Occasionally they do succumb to the more deluded and counter productive tendencies of hardcore Berners though.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:43 (one year ago) Permalink

i'll out myself. matt's a thoughtful guy. felix is lol in most moods and he reminds me eerily of turkey-obsessed college friends i miss; also i found his les mis reading compelling. will clearly guides the whole thing and holds episodes together but imo is the blankest when he goes on the attack. some episodes really are just them giggling at their own press clips. thought it was completely hilarious that their william f buckley impression was actually a capt. peter peachfuzz impression.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:40 (one year ago) Permalink

obviously the keep it negative dickhole zing crew should run podcasting

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:42 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't think "keep it negative" is a fair summation of their worldview

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:44 (one year ago) Permalink

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

maybe if we brainstormed some more descriptions of trump's hair

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (one year ago) Permalink

afaict they're in the same gen x/millenial straddler segment as a bunch of my peers, sneer at the gen x detachment and corporate institutions equally, and are well-versed in the web communities that predate the 4chan weird bullshit, parallel to or members of somethingawful and other shit of the time

idk it's a thing where every political opinion coming from them seems like a deep-seated reaction from living through the late 90s and early 00s and that's the lens

mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (one year ago) Permalink

douthat rip is savage

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4. By the time they're talking about current events, Trump's first term will be over

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:24 (one year ago) Permalink

I thoroughly enjoy the Chapo Trap House. When I first discovered it it felt like a real catharsis to hear other people roughly my age or a little younger shredding New Democratism and bad centrist punditry of both liberal and conservative varieties but not in a lefty crank, counterpunch sort of way.

I can't say I love the new format with more regulars and preferred the dynamic of just Felix-Matt-Will. I like Amber and Virgil Texas individually I just don't feel like the show works as well with them regularly participating.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:27 (one year ago) Permalink

ALSO as I think we talked about a little on the podcast thread, it seems harder for them to find their footing in a Trump world, now that the irrelevant centrist punditry has actually been rendered irrelevant.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:39 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4.

I've found that playback at 1.25x speed can be your friend.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:52 (one year ago) Permalink

i couldn't get through an episode of this, even though i generally agree with them

it just... isn't funny at all, or insightful. probably because the things that are funny and insightful in sad leftist twitter aren't funny outside of sad leftist twitter

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:16 (one year ago) Permalink

Whiney, just listen to the Freeway Ross Douthat episode then skip to current events. Discussing the conventions doesn't really work as entertainment six months after the fact.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:20 (one year ago) Permalink

being a completionist about a politics podcast is the most onion a/v club thing i've ever heard

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:22 (one year ago) Permalink

I tried to listen to an episode but I just found it unbearable, but I realize I should have listened before I read that interview they did with Paste, which is hands down the most embarrassing thing I read last year: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/07/chapo-trap-house-are-the-vulgar-brilliant-demigods.html

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:24 (one year ago) Permalink

i've encountered enough asshole know-it-all leftists on twitter (including at least one of the chapo guys, i think) that i haven't exactly been eager to give this a try.

Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:25 (one year ago) Permalink

"I haven't listened to this but I don't like it based on reading an article about it" is the most boring and non-contributing thing you can possibly say.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Except I did listen to it?

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:29 (one year ago) Permalink

Like, "I tried to listen to an episode" is the first goddamn thing I say in my post

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:30 (one year ago) Permalink

They do definitely reflect the worst of leftist Twitter at times. Like it's clear from recent episodes their way of continuing in Trump World will be to still hammer Clinton relentlessly land act like centrist democrats are worse than actual fascists. They are really mad at Hillary for losing to Trump when all I heard from them for months was that she was just as bad.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:13 (one year ago) Permalink

The show works better for me when Matt or Amber bring up something that show they've done a but more homework on this stuff.

My particular fave episodes are stuff like having on Adam Curtis, Matt Karp on his book on Antebellum American politics setting up race science and eugenics shit trickling down to Breitbart, or even the pilot ep of sorts where they excoriate the weird mentality behind Michael Bay's "13 Hours."

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:23 (one year ago) Permalink

xp p sure they're mad at hillary for beating bernie with the weight of the DNC behind her, propping up trump as an easy win and then running an embarrassing general election campaign built on "of course i'll win"

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:45 (one year ago) Permalink

and given that this toolbag seems to be the presumptive 2020 favorite of the DNC, which has not shown any indication of shifting platform aside from a few pockets of support for keith ellison, keeping the fire under the democrats might be the only thing that saves us from 4 additional years of actual fascism

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:49 (one year ago) Permalink

Nerderik P.

salthigh, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:17 (one year ago) Permalink

The "weight of the DNC" that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow. We can blame this vague "rigging" for Bernie's loss (and not acknowledge that maybe he should campaigned in the south) but can't admit the Comey letter had an effect on Hillary's?

After the primary was pretty much over they called the differences between Trump and Clinton "a wash". Matt Christman perpetuated the deluded idea that the Bernie delegates at the Nevada caucus were "disenfranchised", just as one example. Granted it wasn't the job of the left to get Hillary elected (I'd have personally preferred Bernie for a number of reasons) but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign. Many Dems have been able to acknowledge that she was a vulnerable candidate that we were stuck with because not enough people ran but it seems like it would literally kill many on the left to just say "we got carried away".

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:23 (one year ago) Permalink

but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign

You kind of do? I listened to the post-DNC podcasts and a lot of commentary revolved around things that seemed iffy even at the time when it seemed like a lock - trotting out Mike Bloomberg, the lineup of neocon security/military people lining up for Hillary, etc.. It goes back to 2000/2002 - if you're going to present Republican-lite as the face of the party why wouldn't the voters who are into that just vote for real Republicans? They were also right back then on focusing on decency being poor judgement.

Were the Hillary fainting jokes in bad taste? Sure. That's still the most tiresome part of the podcast, but it's also a fairly small part of it.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:33 (one year ago) Permalink

Funny thing about Bloomberg is we was one of the few convention speakers who got kind of a positive reaction from the Bernie or busters there when he mentioned that he described himself as an "independent" what or John Lewis got anti-tpp chants. There was definitely messaging problems w HRC's campaign but given the consequences of the election (potential loss of social programs for one) people with visibility on the left seemed reluctant to encourage voting for the obviously better choice of the corny old lady and pickedvthr campsign apart for things all high level campaigns do becuae they were probably confident she was going to win anyway.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:55 (one year ago) Permalink

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, January 4, 2017 3:23 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think spreading memes has ever been productive in any direction

seriously didn't realize there were still people aside from high ranking democrat pols and frederik who think the answer to defeating trumpism over the next 4 years is to double down on the 2016 strategy

this is some gluing humpty dumpty together again shit

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:00 (one year ago) Permalink

that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow

yeah it's almost like these are two different candidates running on entirely different platforms with entirely different relationships to the DNC

how close are you to running out the "of course the DNC sank bernie, he wasn't a member of their party!" argument that was briefly popular 8 months ago in an entirely different america

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:04 (one year ago) Permalink

Yes, Mike Bloomberg is a well-known figure on the socialist lecture circuit. Hugely popular on the left. Yuge.

It is a reminder that the one thing worse than jokes about Hillary's medical problems is the narrative around BernieBros and "Bernie or Busters" where whatever ills that pop into your head can be ascribed to them.

The fundamental disconnect here appears to be your belief that the left's issue with Clinton is that she was "corny."

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (one year ago) Permalink

xxp obvs

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (one year ago) Permalink

I never said "everything was perfect w HRC's messaging except that leftist twitter and this podcast didn't like it". I'd have preferred a different candidate but Hillary won the primary, she was obviously the better candidate compared to Trump. When you vote for a candidate you are voting a coalition into office. Making equivrlrncies beyeeen her and Trump was ridiculous then (kind of offensive actually when you put in perspective ) and looks even more ridiculous now. Maybe you can post the photo of them at a party together I've seen a million times and I'll withdraw that.

We have social media, we know the left got "carried away" I don''t see the point in denying that base level reality. I mean people were literally crying st the convention because they thought Bernie would get the nomination somehow.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:12 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't think RS really works as a comedy podcast because they spend too much time on their dogshit opinions tbh

― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, October 4, 2018 1:52 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the comedy for me

flappy bird, Thursday, 4 October 2018 18:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink

if i wanna engage with dogshit opinions i’ll post on ilxor dot com thx

shrek and han solo kinda dress the same (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 4 October 2018 18:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

they spend too much time on their dogshit opinions

Probably a function of the fact that Anna takes up 75% of the airtime.

jmm, Thursday, 4 October 2018 18:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

but doctor i am paglia, c

All right! A new season! (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 4 October 2018 21:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

lmao

latebloomer, Thursday, 4 October 2018 21:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

AK’s schtick really hammers home for me just how empty and reactionary contrarianism is as a mode of commentary, since it can’t exist without something to bristle against. She would be lost without her lefty/liberal media peers to piss off.

latebloomer, Thursday, 4 October 2018 22:26 (two weeks ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUJUmMU4X7s

flappy bird, Monday, 15 October 2018 18:21 (one week ago) Permalink

The reading series are getting kind of exhausting too now unfortunately, way too much commentary and not enough reading the article. Having five people jumping all over a Rod Dreher piece really kills the fun.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 15 October 2018 18:33 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah, just listening to something stupid play out is much more fun than hearing people yelling "This is so stupid!" after every sentence

President Keyes, Monday, 15 October 2018 18:37 (one week ago) Permalink

They should cap people on the mic at three, including guests.

louise ck (milo z), Monday, 15 October 2018 19:16 (one week ago) Permalink

I do a show with four hosts - it can work as long as you have someone conducting/moderating, which I think Will tries and mostly fails to do. Even less of an excuse for crosstalk since they usually record in the same room.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 15 October 2018 19:33 (one week ago) Permalink

Bring back the talking stick/VHS box

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 15 October 2018 20:59 (one week ago) Permalink

I love jon bois but why on earth would anyone let Felix narrate a doc

working on stuff pic.twitter.com/iXKrHK2UZV

— Jon Bois (@jon_bois) October 16, 2018

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 03:58 (one week ago) Permalink

Must be a MMA video

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 05:04 (one week ago) Permalink

what do you usually post about sir?

— Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (@Ahmadinejad1956) October 16, 2018

okay lmao

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 16:18 (one week ago) Permalink

oh my god

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 16:32 (one week ago) Permalink

wokemadinejad one of the top 5 weirdest developments in a very weird year

voodoo chili, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 16:42 (one week ago) Permalink

mahmoud ahmadinejad, go on chapo

himalayan mountain hole (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 17:00 (one week ago) Permalink

lets fuckin go

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 17:00 (one week ago) Permalink

Dude’s been active and weird:

The #NFL season will start this week, unfortunately once again @Kaepernick7 is not on a NFL roster. Even though he is one of the best Quarterbacks in the league.#ColinKaepernick #NFL

— Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (@Ahmadinejad1956) September 3, 2018


Dear Mahmoud,

We have much bigger problems here. #Michigan is 8-8 in its last 16 games under @CoachJim4UM . #GoBlue

Also, college football is the only authentic football.

Cordially,

Fred

— fredzannarbor (@fredzannarbor) September 3, 2018


With a hard work ethic Inshallah the U of M will return to its glory days.

— Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (@Ahmadinejad1956) October 16, 2018

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 19:05 (one week ago) Permalink

great now my fav sports team has the mahmoud seal of approval

voodoo chili, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 19:13 (one week ago) Permalink

really confused by that tweet, if it weren't 2018 i would be befuddled by it

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 22:00 (one week ago) Permalink

the guy’s a born shitposter, glad he’s found his niche at last

himalayan mountain hole (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 22:04 (one week ago) Permalink

v good posting style imo

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 22:14 (one week ago) Permalink

His username having his birth year is a perfect touch.

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 01:09 (six days ago) Permalink

Only way to make it better would be Xahmadinejad1956X

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 01:10 (six days ago) Permalink

this article about chapo and Jordan Peterson is too long and not all good, but I liked these bits:

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/10/clean-rooms-and-dirtbags/

Conservative Canadian professor Jordan Peterson and socialist Brooklynite podcast Chapo Trap House have a lot in common. They each make around a hundred thousand dollars a month from Patreon donations. They each inspire both adoration and revulsion, while rejecting, in different ways, forms of political correctness. And they share an audience—what Angela Nagle, writing in the Atlantic, called “lost boys” and what the Chapo guys call “failsons”—fans in their mid-20s, very frequently white, overwhelmingly male, with little direction in life but an aching need for purpose and meaning.

My best guess about what distinguishes a Peterson lost boy fan from a Chapo failson fan is that the two will tend to have different capacities. Peterson’s cleanliness emphasizes broad, shallow learning, aprioristic thinking, simplicity, symbolism, and sincerity. Chapo’s dirt emphasizes obsessive knowledge of various elements of modern culture (message boards, left-wing politics, film, anime, etc.), social reasoning, clever witticisms, complexity, the concrete, and irony. But Peterson’s logic does not really cohere in Twelve Rules for Life. And The Chapo Guide to Revolution isn’t a remotely clever book.

soref, Thursday, 18 October 2018 19:33 (five days ago) Permalink

thanks for linking a pro trump publication itt

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 October 2018 19:40 (five days ago) Permalink

the author seems like a really great guy and not an absolutely crushing bore "classical liberal" pretentious bard graduate https://arcdigital.media/what-being-a-liberal-used-to-mean-c84a11b3aae

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 October 2018 19:41 (five days ago) Permalink

message boards, left-wing politics, film, anime, etc.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 18 October 2018 19:59 (five days ago) Permalink

Peterson and Chapo: a study in contrasts

flappy bird, Thursday, 18 October 2018 20:15 (five days ago) Permalink

con-traps

President Keyes, Thursday, 18 October 2018 20:21 (five days ago) Permalink

I never finished the Guide to Revolution, he's not wrong about it not being clever.

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:06 (five days ago) Permalink

while I'm sure it isn't - i'll never read it, so i'll never know - "this book is not clever" is not a very compelling argument against an irreverent book by the hosts of what is essentially a political comedy podcast.

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:10 (five days ago) Permalink

and the utility in comparing it with peterson's book, which is deadly (self)serious, makes no sense.

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:11 (five days ago) Permalink

Wasn't 'failson' just a basically self-deprecating joke? I don't think it says much about the actual makeup of Chapo's audience.

jmm, Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:15 (five days ago) Permalink

they defined their fanbase as comprising of a majority of failsons, with a minority of success daughters, in the new yorker profile

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:17 (five days ago) Permalink

Jason Miller adds Will to his defamation suit, time to finally put those Chapo funds to good use

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-trump-adviser-jason-miller-sues-will-menaker-of-chapo-trap-house-over-tweet

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 18 October 2018 22:04 (five days ago) Permalink

Amber and Will down, Dana White will probably sue Felix for whatever he says in the Jon Bois video.

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 18 October 2018 22:41 (five days ago) Permalink

Virgil will end up in a CIA black site for his relationship to Ahmadinejad before he gets sued.

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 18 October 2018 22:41 (five days ago) Permalink

man people are really into this civility shit huh

Chapo is obnoxious as hell and abusive too. So while I admit that they should win, if they end up shutting down over legal fees I’ll still feel a little smug.

— J.R. (@KYCol_JR) October 20, 2018

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 20 October 2018 15:06 (three days ago) Permalink

"Behaviour or speech appropriate to civil interactions; politeness, courtesy, consideration. In later use frequently with negative overtones: the minimum degree of courtesy required in a social situation; absence of rudeness." so yeah ppl are into it, it's the underpinning of civilization.

Mordy, Saturday, 20 October 2018 16:01 (three days ago) Permalink

Enjoying it is one thing, taking delight in someone (hypothetically, in this case) sued into oblivion for trespassing against it is entirely another.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 20 October 2018 17:21 (three days ago) Permalink

I think that goes beyond civility, sounds more like one of the many people who've never heard the show who believe the "racist Berniebros rating women on a scale of 10 or gulag" stuff.

louise ck (milo z), Saturday, 20 October 2018 19:26 (three days ago) Permalink

I wonder if they can even get personal jurisdiction over Menaker in a Florida court over a tweet.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 21 October 2018 19:14 (two days ago) Permalink

It seems like there are some real due process concerns if a tweet becomes enough to bring someone into court anywhere in the US.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 21 October 2018 19:15 (two days ago) Permalink

As much as I'm on his side here fwiw (100%), I think this was kind of dumb and irresponsible of him. Tweeting about a lawsuit involving someone close to you is a bad move.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 21 October 2018 20:48 (two days ago) Permalink

Oh, he definitely knew it was dumb when he did it.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Sunday, 21 October 2018 20:59 (two days ago) Permalink

Unless it has changed recently, Florida explicitly allows libel action against non-residents for online posts.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 21 October 2018 21:10 (two days ago) Permalink


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