Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

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For the uninitiated, CTH is a very popular (to the tune of $30k+ per month coming in via Pateron) podcast by a group of foul-mouthed socialists with a tendency to tear into liberals with just as much (if not more) zeal than conservatives. They were recently profiled/critiqued in the New Yorker. The episode in which they respond to the article (mostly by viciously mocking the author and the New Yorker in general) is a decent introduction. There's also a critique of the critique, of course.

I'm interested in this growing notion of the "dirtbag left" and the increasing ranks of the DSA, which I recognize are partly separate phenomena. (There is an amusing schism in their demo between the very young and the very old.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:11 (one year ago) Permalink

This was probably the best intro I ever read:

http://splitsider.com/2016/09/explaining-the-chapo-trap-house-podcast-to-the-uninitiated/

Which gets into the reference-heavy jag the show occasionally launches off on.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:17 (one year ago) Permalink

these dudes sound pretty unpleasant tbh

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:22 (one year ago) Permalink

I follow some dem socialists on Twitter and it took me like three goddamn months that it was a podcast and not just some sort of weird meme

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:23 (one year ago) Permalink

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:25 (one year ago) Permalink

I have only heard a few recent episodes, but the divide in airtime between vulgar comic riffs and actual discussion/intvws is pretty much 50/50

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:27 (one year ago) Permalink

to answer yr question more directly Tombot I have seen a *lot* of tweets w/ CTH fans flaunting their newly received Socialist Organizer mailers/cards, anecdotal certainly but not nothing

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:31 (one year ago) Permalink

They're still spending way too much time complaining about Hillary, the election and their critics. I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (one year ago) Permalink

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

iatee otm

illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (one year ago) Permalink

This sounds pretty 'edgy'. I'll be interested to see what these guys do once they're out of high school.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:38 (one year ago) Permalink

I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Agreed, I think this will be a necessity after the inauguration anyway

tbh I mostly enjoy their eviscerations of liberal commentators/thinkers - fish in a barrel, sure, but undeniably satisfying

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (one year ago) Permalink

Have never listened to the show, read the article, I think i follow a couple of them on twitter. I hadn't realized they responded to the article with vicious mockery on their show, that's kind of a bummer since I saw them responding to outraged CTH devotees on twitter with essentially "chill the fuck out, it was a pretty good profile."

JoeStork, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (one year ago) Permalink

in the following episode they emphasized that they were embarrassed by people defending them

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:40 (one year ago) Permalink

I think the 'jerks being jerks' stuff is overstated. I've listened to 10-12 eps now and there's nothing really offensive? They pick on dweeby Twitter people and pundits.

The episodes where they read from Ross Douthat and Megan McCardle's books are the best I've heard, followed by the interview with Adam Curtis.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:47 (one year ago) Permalink

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

It's an Air America show that can survive on its listener base, I don't think anyone's expecting them to start a revolution with a podcast. It's amusing to listen to a talk show with an actual left-wing viewpoint.

At least some of them are active with DSA and similar groups but they're also just relatively privileged liberal arts college NYC alt-media people.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:51 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm realizing I could have asked the same question about Das Racist (RIP) and gotten kind of the same answer and it would have been fine. Why I felt the need to ask it of a podcast as if that requires a different kind of "authentic" pedigree is weird, and my thinking needs unpacking on that

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to dirtbag causes?

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:35 (one year ago) Permalink

I think I need it explained to me how they are not directly related

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:20 (one year ago) Permalink

I've listened to most episodes, it's a great podcast. Their coverage of the primaries was often very funny. An early ep had a great guest who detailed the situation w teacher strikes in Mexico. Occasionally they do succumb to the more deluded and counter productive tendencies of hardcore Berners though.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:43 (one year ago) Permalink

i'll out myself. matt's a thoughtful guy. felix is lol in most moods and he reminds me eerily of turkey-obsessed college friends i miss; also i found his les mis reading compelling. will clearly guides the whole thing and holds episodes together but imo is the blankest when he goes on the attack. some episodes really are just them giggling at their own press clips. thought it was completely hilarious that their william f buckley impression was actually a capt. peter peachfuzz impression.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:40 (one year ago) Permalink

obviously the keep it negative dickhole zing crew should run podcasting

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:42 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't think "keep it negative" is a fair summation of their worldview

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:44 (one year ago) Permalink

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

maybe if we brainstormed some more descriptions of trump's hair

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (one year ago) Permalink

afaict they're in the same gen x/millenial straddler segment as a bunch of my peers, sneer at the gen x detachment and corporate institutions equally, and are well-versed in the web communities that predate the 4chan weird bullshit, parallel to or members of somethingawful and other shit of the time

idk it's a thing where every political opinion coming from them seems like a deep-seated reaction from living through the late 90s and early 00s and that's the lens

mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (one year ago) Permalink

douthat rip is savage

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4. By the time they're talking about current events, Trump's first term will be over

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:24 (one year ago) Permalink

I thoroughly enjoy the Chapo Trap House. When I first discovered it it felt like a real catharsis to hear other people roughly my age or a little younger shredding New Democratism and bad centrist punditry of both liberal and conservative varieties but not in a lefty crank, counterpunch sort of way.

I can't say I love the new format with more regulars and preferred the dynamic of just Felix-Matt-Will. I like Amber and Virgil Texas individually I just don't feel like the show works as well with them regularly participating.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:27 (one year ago) Permalink

ALSO as I think we talked about a little on the podcast thread, it seems harder for them to find their footing in a Trump world, now that the irrelevant centrist punditry has actually been rendered irrelevant.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:39 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4.

I've found that playback at 1.25x speed can be your friend.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:52 (one year ago) Permalink

i couldn't get through an episode of this, even though i generally agree with them

it just... isn't funny at all, or insightful. probably because the things that are funny and insightful in sad leftist twitter aren't funny outside of sad leftist twitter

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:16 (one year ago) Permalink

Whiney, just listen to the Freeway Ross Douthat episode then skip to current events. Discussing the conventions doesn't really work as entertainment six months after the fact.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:20 (one year ago) Permalink

being a completionist about a politics podcast is the most onion a/v club thing i've ever heard

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:22 (one year ago) Permalink

I tried to listen to an episode but I just found it unbearable, but I realize I should have listened before I read that interview they did with Paste, which is hands down the most embarrassing thing I read last year: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/07/chapo-trap-house-are-the-vulgar-brilliant-demigods.html

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:24 (one year ago) Permalink

i've encountered enough asshole know-it-all leftists on twitter (including at least one of the chapo guys, i think) that i haven't exactly been eager to give this a try.

Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:25 (one year ago) Permalink

"I haven't listened to this but I don't like it based on reading an article about it" is the most boring and non-contributing thing you can possibly say.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Except I did listen to it?

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:29 (one year ago) Permalink

Like, "I tried to listen to an episode" is the first goddamn thing I say in my post

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:30 (one year ago) Permalink

They do definitely reflect the worst of leftist Twitter at times. Like it's clear from recent episodes their way of continuing in Trump World will be to still hammer Clinton relentlessly land act like centrist democrats are worse than actual fascists. They are really mad at Hillary for losing to Trump when all I heard from them for months was that she was just as bad.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:13 (one year ago) Permalink

The show works better for me when Matt or Amber bring up something that show they've done a but more homework on this stuff.

My particular fave episodes are stuff like having on Adam Curtis, Matt Karp on his book on Antebellum American politics setting up race science and eugenics shit trickling down to Breitbart, or even the pilot ep of sorts where they excoriate the weird mentality behind Michael Bay's "13 Hours."

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:23 (one year ago) Permalink

xp p sure they're mad at hillary for beating bernie with the weight of the DNC behind her, propping up trump as an easy win and then running an embarrassing general election campaign built on "of course i'll win"

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:45 (one year ago) Permalink

and given that this toolbag seems to be the presumptive 2020 favorite of the DNC, which has not shown any indication of shifting platform aside from a few pockets of support for keith ellison, keeping the fire under the democrats might be the only thing that saves us from 4 additional years of actual fascism

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:49 (one year ago) Permalink

Nerderik P.

salthigh, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:17 (one year ago) Permalink

The "weight of the DNC" that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow. We can blame this vague "rigging" for Bernie's loss (and not acknowledge that maybe he should campaigned in the south) but can't admit the Comey letter had an effect on Hillary's?

After the primary was pretty much over they called the differences between Trump and Clinton "a wash". Matt Christman perpetuated the deluded idea that the Bernie delegates at the Nevada caucus were "disenfranchised", just as one example. Granted it wasn't the job of the left to get Hillary elected (I'd have personally preferred Bernie for a number of reasons) but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign. Many Dems have been able to acknowledge that she was a vulnerable candidate that we were stuck with because not enough people ran but it seems like it would literally kill many on the left to just say "we got carried away".

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:23 (one year ago) Permalink

but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign

You kind of do? I listened to the post-DNC podcasts and a lot of commentary revolved around things that seemed iffy even at the time when it seemed like a lock - trotting out Mike Bloomberg, the lineup of neocon security/military people lining up for Hillary, etc.. It goes back to 2000/2002 - if you're going to present Republican-lite as the face of the party why wouldn't the voters who are into that just vote for real Republicans? They were also right back then on focusing on decency being poor judgement.

Were the Hillary fainting jokes in bad taste? Sure. That's still the most tiresome part of the podcast, but it's also a fairly small part of it.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:33 (one year ago) Permalink

Funny thing about Bloomberg is we was one of the few convention speakers who got kind of a positive reaction from the Bernie or busters there when he mentioned that he described himself as an "independent" what or John Lewis got anti-tpp chants. There was definitely messaging problems w HRC's campaign but given the consequences of the election (potential loss of social programs for one) people with visibility on the left seemed reluctant to encourage voting for the obviously better choice of the corny old lady and pickedvthr campsign apart for things all high level campaigns do becuae they were probably confident she was going to win anyway.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:55 (one year ago) Permalink

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, January 4, 2017 3:23 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think spreading memes has ever been productive in any direction

seriously didn't realize there were still people aside from high ranking democrat pols and frederik who think the answer to defeating trumpism over the next 4 years is to double down on the 2016 strategy

this is some gluing humpty dumpty together again shit

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:00 (one year ago) Permalink

that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow

yeah it's almost like these are two different candidates running on entirely different platforms with entirely different relationships to the DNC

how close are you to running out the "of course the DNC sank bernie, he wasn't a member of their party!" argument that was briefly popular 8 months ago in an entirely different america

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:04 (one year ago) Permalink

Yes, Mike Bloomberg is a well-known figure on the socialist lecture circuit. Hugely popular on the left. Yuge.

It is a reminder that the one thing worse than jokes about Hillary's medical problems is the narrative around BernieBros and "Bernie or Busters" where whatever ills that pop into your head can be ascribed to them.

The fundamental disconnect here appears to be your belief that the left's issue with Clinton is that she was "corny."

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (one year ago) Permalink

xxp obvs

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (one year ago) Permalink

I never said "everything was perfect w HRC's messaging except that leftist twitter and this podcast didn't like it". I'd have preferred a different candidate but Hillary won the primary, she was obviously the better candidate compared to Trump. When you vote for a candidate you are voting a coalition into office. Making equivrlrncies beyeeen her and Trump was ridiculous then (kind of offensive actually when you put in perspective ) and looks even more ridiculous now. Maybe you can post the photo of them at a party together I've seen a million times and I'll withdraw that.

We have social media, we know the left got "carried away" I don''t see the point in denying that base level reality. I mean people were literally crying st the convention because they thought Bernie would get the nomination somehow.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Oh god this guy is so insufferable

Whether or not I detest Bill Frist (for whom I have endless contempt) is orthogonal to the question of how to best move toward the goal of Medicare for all (which I fully support)

— Daniel Summers (@WFKARS) February 7, 2018


Uh... how the group's actions will advance that particular goal is on the group to promote. If it, say, offers policy proposals that assure people like me that revenues will be sufficiently stable to keep our practices open, I'd call that rather an important factor.

— Daniel Summers (@WFKARS) February 7, 2018

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 9 February 2018 18:57 (one week ago) Permalink

these people need to stop taking adderall and take a crash course in economy of words

flappy bird, Friday, 9 February 2018 19:00 (one week ago) Permalink

ok that tweet from that guy earnestly bitching about how people aren't considering how hard it'll be to implement medicare 4 all or argue for it is making me really angry how the fuck does that guy have a job in... whatever field hes in

flappy bird, Friday, 9 February 2018 19:01 (one week ago) Permalink

"It's so vexing watching everyone else not be as smart as me"

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 9 February 2018 19:03 (one week ago) Permalink

board description

brimstead, Friday, 9 February 2018 19:03 (one week ago) Permalink

hey "jobs" are just a launching pad for your thought leader career

President Keyes, Friday, 9 February 2018 19:04 (one week ago) Permalink

*protests police killings of innocent black people*
"It's very vexing from my end to see how people who are advocating this have not honestly thought through the political and logistical challenges of implementing it."

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 9 February 2018 19:04 (one week ago) Permalink

"By the way I'm totally for not killing innocent black people. But how are you going to ensure police safety for example? I'd consider that *rather important*"

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 9 February 2018 19:05 (one week ago) Permalink

literally kill these people

difficult listening hour, Friday, 9 February 2018 23:27 (one week ago) Permalink

Katie Halper has Adam Johnson on her regular show today, and Tim Faust on the patron-supported one

They both dump on the astroturf group

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 10 February 2018 00:06 (one week ago) Permalink

That’s queued up for me for doing the dishes tonight. Adam Johnson is very good. Has he goed on Chapo? I don’t think so. His citations needed podcast is good too.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Saturday, 10 February 2018 02:41 (one week ago) Permalink

he has not.

Simon H., Saturday, 10 February 2018 08:19 (one week ago) Permalink

Halper is good politically but I find her show a bit dull tbh

Simon H., Saturday, 10 February 2018 08:20 (one week ago) Permalink

Depends on the guest, I figure

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 10 February 2018 09:52 (one week ago) Permalink

every time someone says something to the effect of "I don't feel comfortable picking on Garland, he seems unstable" I'm gonna remind them he makes a decent chunk of change churning out shit like this

I don't wanna get all Game Theory, but I'm beginning to wonder if some people here in 2014 kinda liked what happened in Ferguson. As a PsyOp.

— Eric Garland (@ericgarland) February 9, 2018

Simon H., Saturday, 10 February 2018 18:21 (one week ago) Permalink

oof that is a Bad Take

he facked his death (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 10 February 2018 18:41 (one week ago) Permalink

If eric garland thinks BLM is a russian psy-op i guess he's on board with white supremacist cops murdering their activists on the reg then

But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 10 February 2018 19:26 (one week ago) Permalink

let me be the first to say this looks like a bad idea

https://www.amazon.com/Chapo-Guide-Revolution-Manifesto-Against-ebook/dp/B079RLXFYB/

The creators of the cult-hit podcast Chapo Trap House deliver a manifesto for everyone who feels orphaned and alienated—politically, culturally, and economically—by the bloodless Wall Street centrism of the Democrats and the lizard-brained atavism of the right: there is a better way, the Chapo Way.

In a manifesto that renders all previous attempts at political satire obsolete, The Chapo Guide to Revolution shows you that you don’t have to side with either the pear-shaped vampires of the right or the craven, lanyard-wearing wonks of contemporary liberalism. These self-described “assholes from the internet” offer a fully ironic ideology for all who feel politically hopeless and prefer broadsides and tirades to reasoned debate.

Learn the “secret” history of the world, politics, media, and everything in-between that THEY don’t want you to know and chart a course from our wretched present to a utopian future where one can post in the morning, game in the afternoon, and podcast after dinner without ever becoming a poster, gamer, or podcaster.

The Chapo Guide to Revolution features illustrated taxonomies of contemporary liberal and conservative characters, biographies of important thought leaders, “never before seen” drafts of Aaron Sorkin’s Newsroom manga, and the ten new laws that govern Chapo Year Zero (everyone gets a dog, billionaires are turned into Soylent, and logic is outlawed). If you’re a fan of sacred cows, prisoners being taken, and bars being held, then this book is NOT for you. However, if you feel disenfranchised from the political and cultural nightmare we’re in, then Chapo, let’s go...

Simon H., Wednesday, 14 February 2018 12:51 (four days ago) Permalink

‘Aaron Sorkin’s Newsroom manga’

this is a p good joke tbh

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:35 (four days ago) Permalink

does garland actually make a decent chunk of change though? i thought his patreon was like 12 dollars a month

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:36 (four days ago) Permalink

I can't seem to open his page rn, but whatever he was making on Patreon + the paid subscribers to his locked twitter feed + whatever other grifts he's got going = more than he should be making to be an utter fraud. (obv nothing close to chapo bucks)

Simon H., Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:40 (four days ago) Permalink

yeah, the book feels like it's going to overly spell out the theory of things that is already implied by the podcast and better left that way

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:58 (four days ago) Permalink

#1 New Release in Radical Political Thought

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:58 (four days ago) Permalink

‘a fully ironic ideology’ noooooooo

i’ve really enjoyed the stuff i’ve read from amber, felix and virgil in the past but i dunno if the world needs a chapo book

will probably torrent it at some point for maximum dirtbag points

albondigas con gas (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 15:08 (four days ago) Permalink

like I feel like it's going to be bad for the same reason the live shows are bad. Podcasting is a particular genre and skillset. It's not the same thing as performing or doing stand-up, and it's not the same thing as writing a book.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 15:34 (four days ago) Permalink

Sounds like America: The Book

flappy bird, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 15:40 (four days ago) Permalink

I hope the physical edition is just Lenin and Trotsky reprints.

Simon H., Wednesday, 14 February 2018 15:48 (four days ago) Permalink

God save us from the teenage boys who take this at face value

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 16:59 (four days ago) Permalink

i'll check it out of the library someday but I'm no rush to read it

khat person (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 17:06 (four days ago) Permalink

This is so that Daily Show march once again, isn't it?

Frederik B, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 17:39 (four days ago) Permalink

it's like the America book & the march combined yeah. because time is accelerated now

flappy bird, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 17:40 (four days ago) Permalink

This is so that Daily Show march once again, isn't it?

maybe, though Daily Show's decline in relevance / influence didn't start till well after they published a book (iirc)

Simon H., Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:00 (four days ago) Permalink

silby otm

gbx, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:02 (four days ago) Permalink

how did they get the rights to reprint the baseball crank on their cover

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:02 (four days ago) Permalink

has to be fair use, even if there is a valid trademark or copyright, which I'm not sure there would be

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:03 (four days ago) Permalink

cover is also very boring imo

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:03 (four days ago) Permalink

yeah it's not good

Simon H., Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:04 (four days ago) Permalink

i really doubt reprinting someone's original illustration for the personal account of some National Review nobody counts as "fair use"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:05 (four days ago) Permalink

it's incorporated into a larger graphic, it's parody

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:06 (four days ago) Permalink

maybe they're hoping he'll sue so they can milk the publicity lol

Simon H., Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:07 (four days ago) Permalink

yeah, but it's parody of such a small, niche thing that you could argue that Baseball Crank doesn't count as a "public figure" in the same way as like, Roy Orbison

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:08 (four days ago) Permalink

"a manifesto against logic, facts, and reason"

i'm sure they have some claim that these things are (ab)used by certain pundits and it isn't a broadside against rationality itself, just how it's deployed, but still this is an inauspicious subtitle

Mordy, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:09 (four days ago) Permalink

No fucking book company on the level of SIMON AND SCHUSTER is gonna take a chance like that for the lulz

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:10 (four days ago) Permalink

i'm sure they have some claim that these things are (ab)used by certain pundits and it isn't a broadside against rationality itself, just how it's deployed, but still this is an inauspicious subtitle

this is commonly known as a "joke"

Simon H., Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:13 (four days ago) Permalink

thank you for pointing it out it's hilarious

Mordy, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:13 (four days ago) Permalink

gonna be a lot of pictures and lists... charts too

flappy bird, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:22 (four days ago) Permalink

I place decent odds at the book being passable and better than the live event from their collected backgrounds: Will was an editor at a publishing house, Amber is a longtime writer, teaches intro-comp, and edits at Current Affairs, Virgil & Felix were (sporadic) writers. Matt’s the one who’s self-admittedly horrible at writing, if better at the theoretical bits.

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 19:44 (four days ago) Permalink

i know they all came up as twitter funnymen but their humor doesn't really work in text imo, needs their goofy voices and delivery. their email newsletter is pretty whatever for the same reason. amber's writing is good but isn't really the same as the chapo house style.

anyway i'm curious about this but as a young white brooklynite in the music industry i would rather ritually disembowel myself than be seen reading this in public.

oiocha, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 19:57 (four days ago) Permalink

Richard Wolff is going to guest, so I might listen. (Been enjoying his series on Marx)

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Thursday, 15 February 2018 21:12 (three days ago) Permalink


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