yeah I see "men are scrum" / "male tears" type stuff everywhere lately
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link
they do love a good scrum tho
― lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
hahaha woops
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link
we just moved to agile at work so clearly I have issues to work out
politics should be libidinal, visceralew― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:55 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ew
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:55 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
in less, er, bodily terms - notions of compromise, nobility, and civility are obsolete when you're up against a ruthless, atavistic party that will give you no quarter even if you behave properly.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
that libidinal, visceral matt christman in full
https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/0*IRHQxPXVATAz2sFa.jpeg
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:04 (six years ago) link
otm xp
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:05 (six years ago) link
I wouldn't say Rush Limbaugh, more like The Daily Show for the left. Instead of wry smirks and rallies about why don't we all just agree to disagree, it's irony and anger.
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:05 (six years ago) link
maybe there is value is relentlessly mocking all the terrible centrist pundits I agree are terrible. I just am not sure it's really subversive or anything and the level of analysis i see from the main hosts doesn't seem to go that far beyond mocking centrists for self-servingly hiding behind identity politics. (it's different sometimes when there are guests and i know from reading amber's writing that she is more interesting than the other guys).
i might just be too burned out on US politics to appreciate this show. i wish i could stop consuming media related to US politics but i'm scared to discover the void that i've been filling with that consumption all these years.
― Treeship, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:05 (six years ago) link
i was definitely not making an argument that i am offended by "male tears" jokes wtf. i'm not even "offended" by the show, but i'm not going to cheer on eDgY celebrations of state censorship when i see them
― Treeship, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:07 (six years ago) link
the sort of tribalism on the left that's grown so much in the wake of the democratic primary is itself a tragedy. there is so much posturing and bullshit and the battle lines are completely stupid. "bernie bros," "hilbots," "brocialists," "identitarians," "the resitance," please shoot me into the sun
― Treeship, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:12 (six years ago) link
it's not a fun good time
I think Twitter makes all that seem like more of a real division than it actually is tbh, the vast majority of Hillz voters like Bernie (the reverse is also likely true), and most DSA types are not on social media at all
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link
yeah i agree. that contributes to the bizarre unreality of the discourse chapo has exported in podcast form
― Treeship, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link
and most DSA types are not on social media at all
idk about this...
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
take it with a grain of salt if you like, but I've seen quite a few instances of chapter heads asking their membership how many even have a Twitter acct and finding out it's very low
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:19 (six years ago) link
from the UK perspective (and I gather there are similarities in the US), the issue has been that centrist pundits (rentoul/hodges/deerin/lewis/cohen/freedland/behr/ganesh etc) have just turned out to be consistently wrong and increasingly so, and so smug, condescending and unwilling to engage with it nor willing to update their analyses for the world as it now actually is. all the while getting paid handsomely to regurgitate their tepid analyses. imo you should be given these platforms (and chunky salaries) based on your insight and demonstrable understanding of the political context imo otherwise its the philosophers' ship* for you. especially when 40% of ppl have just voted for a left platform, it's time that the left gets represented (toynbee doesn't count).
*retirement
― ||||||||, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
no major US newspaper or TV network has an outspoken leftist (as in left-of-the-DNC) on staff that I know of
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
so no, not just a UK problem
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link
PK if anyone ever shoots up the NYT offices in a baseball crank shirt I will take back everything I've said in support I promise― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), 5. juli 2017 16:44 (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkHow about if someone tries to kill Republican congressmen while they practice baseball?― Frederik B, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:36 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkC-― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:38 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), 5. juli 2017 16:44 (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
How about if someone tries to kill Republican congressmen while they practice baseball?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:36 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
C-
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:38 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this was good
― Treeship, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
does fred know that it's centrist maddow-types that are pushing the fifth column/russia stuff and not leftists?
― Treeship, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
apparently not, speaking of which this is probably good but no way in hell am I listening to all of it w/ this audio quality
https://soundcloud.com/expandthediscourse/the-russia-thing-pt-1-six-degrees-of-attribution?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=twitter
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link
I agree with this in the sense that I would prefer Chapo style stuff to act as a *part* that discourse but not dominate it - the problem is of course that there is so little US left media with any kind of reach. I suspect this will change over the next couple of years.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link
lmao @ "expand the discourse"
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
now that's libidinal
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:47 (six years ago) link
I like that CTH has inspired a ton of leftists (many of whom are very sharp!) to start podcasts but I wish they'd invest even 100 bucks in basic recording equipment and/or EDIT the damn things
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link
no way. our HD society is oppressive. we need more stuff that looks and sounds bad.
― Treeship, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:53 (six years ago) link
can't tell if joking or not but I really think this is a problem! centrist/lib blowhards shouldn't have a monopoly on polish. it's a barrier to entry.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
― Treeship, 5. juli 2017 19:27 (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Just out of curiosity, what does this have to do with anything?
Not saying that CTH had anything to do with the Scalise-shooting. Just a dark laugh at Simon H and his fake promises.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:08 (six years ago) link
nothing fake about that promise freddie boy
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:09 (six years ago) link
it is a stretch for me to be listening to a podcastdouble stretch for one called "chapo trap house"
so not gonna listen to something called cum town
― mh, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:42 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otmmmmmmmmm
― marcos, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:10 (six years ago) link
I don't listen to it either tbh, just saying, if you think CTH is distasteful....
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:10 (six years ago) link
― Frederik B, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:08 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the shooter's motivation was the lib-russia-panic iirc
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:11 (six years ago) link
Um. Link, please?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
tbh I've seen plenty on the guy's pro-Bernie/anti-Trump tirades but nothing specific to Russiagate
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
honestly if you're bothered by the smugness of CTH (I am), you'll enjoy the candor of Cum Town. there's a lot of intersection/crossover with topics discussed and yes they are actually intelligent and well spoken people and not rock fuck stupid like O&A.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link
x-post: And we can all agree it has more to do with bad mental health care system and easy access to guns, right?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:25 (six years ago) link
well yeah
O&A?
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
Opie & Anthony
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link
ahhh.
the couple times I deigned to try out CT some of the gags were beyond the pale even for me tbh
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:28 (six years ago) link
― Frederik B, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:16 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
his Facebook was taken down not long after the shooting, but it was lots of posts about russiagate and how trump was a traitor to US democracy, including sharing of rachel maddow shit.
he signed this petition:
https://www.change.org/p/impeach-legal-removal-of-president-vice-president-et-al-for-misprision-of-treason
he shared this:
https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/posts/1540632146029834
and this
https://www.facebook.com/therachelmaddowshow/posts/10154597411979067
etc.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:40 (six years ago) link
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link
i hate O&A but i'm a big Stern fan - again, ymmv if you are repulsed by talk radio, but Cum Town is so much smarter than those shows and yes, less smug than CTH. it's not a political show but if you're looking for good podcasts where the hosts don't use "NPR voice" and talk in questions, it's great
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:44 (six years ago) link
fred my dude what is going on with you
xp. you can find images of his Facebook posts if you wish, a quick google would work. i don't feel like spamming the page with images. the original page is no longer up, as i mentioned in my post. i did peruse it before it was taken down though.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link
Ok. I ask again, because the idea that because he shared a video of Rachel Maddow it was that video that made him do it is self-evidently bullshit, and I'd like to know if there's more to it. And I'd like to know where you and apparently Treeship get this sort of bullshit from.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
ok his shitposting lib garbage about russia had nothing to do with the shooting, only his love of bernie sanders. you win freddy b. you total fucking bore.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:52 (six years ago) link
Frederik B is the Chapo Trap House to our centrist ilx opinions
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:54 (six years ago) link
quick someone make an expanding brain meme about this ^
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:55 (six years ago) link
I don't think the baseball practice shooter was shitposting in facebook, I think he really believed all the conspiracy angle shit
also he was incredibly abusive to his family iirc
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:57 (six years ago) link