Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

is the objection to the fogle jokes that they somehow harm victims of sexual abuse?

My objection is overuse and it's not a very good joke - they've never really connected it to a critique of capitalism and marketing (except one episode where they paused and mentioned that Subway actually covered up his assaults).

me & whiney are cool, in 10 years this won't matter when kids my nephews age can vote and President Notch and VP Pewdiepie are in charge

also a lot of their 'problematic' humor isn't bad because it's problematic but mostly because it's just not that funny? idk i looked up or saw some more of their supposedly troublesome stuff and it seemed like guys who thought they were way funnier than they were

who would be on an ideal ilx-derived us politics podcast

will start the bidding at whiney, fred, morbs and mordy. after 7 episodes they realise they need at least one woman and recruit luna

I always wanted me, maura, J0rdan S. and D-40 to start a snarky, inside-baseball music podcast but I think J0rdan rightly pointed out that we need to keep our jobs

or at least he did

lol

I’ve been waiting for the lagoon+iatee podcast for years

If the objection is just that the Jared/Cosby jokes aren't funny enough to warrant being offensive, I can get behind that.

As for CumTown, I can't even remotely defend it. It's just an hour a week of compartmentalized nihilism for me, but it's probably not good for the soul even at that.

I shudder at the subscribers who simply must have two hours of compartmentalized nihilism a week

holy shit the cum town guys make $27k a month from patreon?!

Yeah, it's pretty insane. Each of them make a very nice full-time living from doing two hour-long bs podcasts per week that also serves as great marketing for their standup gigs. I think Nick even does the "production," as it were, himself, which I can't imagine takes more than another few hours a week all-in. At least Chapo pay a separate guy to record and actually do some real editing.

I just wish we had a thread for actual dirtbag leftists instead of Rolling Perpetually Shocked that Amber's Roomate Says Retard

You’re in luck, we do.

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lol at eric garland

$81 a month is still too much obv

further amber-adjacent shenanigans, this time from some snowflake prof at nyu who needs a safe space

A New York University liberal studies professor known for his tweets fighting back against PC culture filed a defamation lawsuit against the school and four colleagues last week over a string of claims he said were false, the New York Post reported.

Plaintiff Michael Rectenwald's case named the school, associate professor Jacqueline Bishop, adjunct professor Amber Frost, professor Carley Moore and Theresa Senft, whom the Post described as an ex-assistant professor, as defendants.

Rectenwald alleged that a May email thread sent to more than 100 NYU staffers included “malicious” statements -- and that NYU didn’t prevent the “nasty screed,” the Post reported. The emails reportedly called him an “Adderall-filled bully” and “right-wing misogynist,” among other things.

Rectenwald is known for using the Twitter handle @antipcnyuprof and tweeting under the pseudonym “Deplorable NYU Prof.” He came forward in October 2016.

His lawsuit claimed Senft made fun of him in an email to the liberal studies department in May 2017 -- one day after he tweeted about a “deplorable prof”-related advance from a publisher, the Post added.

Bishop, Frost and Moore are among those accused of making disparaging remarks.

Frost allegedly said Rectenwald was a “right-wing misogynist,” while Bishop allegedly claimed Rectenwald arrived at staff meetings “high and incoherent with your tongue sticking out the side of your mouth.”

“It’s very painful to be accused of things that you haven’t done and have no basis in fact,” Rectenwald told the newspaper.

A NYU spokesman told the Post, “This lawsuit is without merit.”

The university and the other defendants did not immediately respond to Fox News' requests for comment.

lmao

good production joke at the very end of this latest one

this guy was doomed from birth by the surname 'rectenwald', honestly

literally translates as "Rectal Forest"

the woods are lovely, dark and deep

and I have leftists to make weep

black lives to troll before I sleep

this is good praxis comrades

speaking of good praxis, so we're all giving chelsea manning our money right

were i not a filthy foreigner i probably would, aye

who is she primarying?

I dunno, is Ben Cardin worth primarying?

btw, if you want a really promising up-and-coming young berniecrat to support, I also recommend Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, running for the house in NY-14. Current holder is a shithead machine dem and there's not going to be a serious republican challenger so the primary is the race.

who is she primarying?

Benjamin L. Cardin, apparently. An amusing wrinkle:
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-11-24/news/bs-md-cardin-espionage-20111124_1_cardin-bill-bradley-manning-diplomatic-cables

cardin sux

manning won't win the primary but it's sure gonna be an interesting uh national conversation that'll happen about this, such as it is

I don't know much about Cardin other than his not being a particularly charismatic but reliable Democratic vote (and I knew about his Espionage Act crap already).

Ben Cardin is exactly the kind of Dem that should be primaried, in my very limited understanding.

manning won't win the primary but it's sure gonna be an interesting uh national conversation that'll happen about this, such as it is

it's gonna be a horrible shitshow on numerous levels for sure

gotta admire chelsea's courage in deciding to stand in the face of it anyway

does this mean it will be cool to like wikileaks again

no

Pareene another one of those guests who slots in perfectly as a co-host.

But goddamn do they need to use headphones and more robust hosting since they continually talk over each other

a friend of mine is dating manning & she's been vaguebooking all week about "something big coming"

this is not what i thought it'd be

how could u have guessed it would be that she would be outed as a russian disinformation agent on social media by some guy who, confusingly, shares her surname

well Peyton's got a lot of time on his hands now

Ev’rybody gotta have a hobby

The NYT, which helped lie out way into an illegal, immoral war, has opinions in it's headlines. https://t.co/syNQXDUU6S

— David Kaib (@DavidKaib) January 14, 2018

Chelsea Manning, who was found guilty of leaking more than 700,000 government files to WikiLeaks, files for a Senate run in Maryland. https://t.co/nsry7wOetT

— NYT Politics (@nytpolitics) January 13, 2018

I'm not sure what 'dirtbag' means in this context. Can someone define it?

having your mattress directly on the ground

A more precise label might be the Dirtbag Left, a term coined by the writer Amber A’Lee Frost, who is Biederman’s roommate, and who, this week, officially joined the “Chapo” roster. In an essay for Current Affairs, Frost argued that while vulgarity isn’t “inherently subversive,” it can help tarnish the unearned prestige of the powerful—something that many Democrats, as well as Republicans, hunger to do. We can either “reclaim vulgarity from the Trumps of the world,” she wrote, or “find ourselves handicapped by civility.”

“Chapo Trap House” has embraced this mission. “If you sleep on a mattress on the floor and fuck in a sleeping bag, then you just might be the dirtbag left!” Menaker told Paste. “If you’re the only dude at a function not wearing a pocket square in a linen blazer and adulting like a boss, then you’re in the dirtbag left!” People who belong to the Dirtbag Left, Christman said, aren’t afraid “to offend the sensibilities of ‘leftist’ language police whose only goal is sabotaging social solidarity in order to maintain their brands as arbiters of good taste and acceptable speech.”

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/05/the-necessity-of-political-vulgarity

this is the Amber essay referred to.

That language police line set the stage for a lot of the cliches about them, I think, when Amber's essay is more on the mark. It's not a "why can they say it" response to language policing but reveling in cheering on John McCain's brain tumor.

You have to apply a sense of leniency considering the terrible ordeal she’s been through but Manning’s politics tweets are reliably among the dumbest version of any “both sides are the same” thing you’ve ever heard. She’s obviously not part of any “Russian plot” or whatever but her defining role in the discourse has been as an almost uniformly “anti anti Trump” voice which obviously resonates with some.

which tweets did you have in mind

I think the difference between what Amber advocates and what, say, the alt-right does is that, at least in theory, the "dirtbag left" types are arguing that "civility" is a barrier to effective political discourse and action, and therefore we should ignore it when necessary, whereas the alt right is specifically interested in tearing down civility so they can be more racist, sexist, etc., because that's their agenda.

i cannot parse that nerdstrom post

I think it's "let's not fear offensiveness so much that it trumps other more important goals" vs "we have offensive goals"