Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

a mistake is not a sin. and hanging out in the company of sinners is also not a sin (tho it's probably a bad idea in general since you can start to adopt the beliefs and ethos of the people you habitually find yourself among).

Again, you Americans have so weird responses when it comes to racism and fascism.

as usual yr carefully constructed not-ad-hom arguments have convinced me of the rightness of your difficult to discern opinion

how long, o lord, till fred gets banned again

There's just nothing to argue. Either you see racism/fascism as a personal blemish that you have to actively put on yourself, or you see it as a structural blemish you have some sort of personal responsibility to combat. And on here it feels as if it's always the first, and unless it's 150% obvious that someone has put this blemish on themself we should always give them the benefit of the doubt. And there's kinda no common ground to argue this.

Talking about 'sin' 'moral failures' and 'personal vices' is just obfuscation, imo, from the very clear and simple point that hanging around with fascists is, well, shitty.

oh lord i'm on freddy b's side

hey Virgil, you guys doing a periscope tonight of the state of the union? that would be really fun pic.twitter.com/IRdTbLdzyM

— Rick and Morty DSA🌹 (@RickandMortyS4) January 31, 2018

hell yeah we are. nobody is allowed to comment on where my television is placed https://t.co/l3AF0II7Xg

— Virgil Texas (@virgiltexas) January 31, 2018

Virgil & Matt gunna yell at the telly again

(Which will probly still be sitting on the floor of his apt)

hey Virgil, you guys doing a periscope tonight of the state of the union? that would be really fun pic.twitter.com/IRdTbLdzyM

— Rick and Morty DSA🌹 (@RickandMortyS4) January 31, 2018

hell yeah we are. nobody is allowed to comment on where my television is placed https://t.co/l3AF0II7Xg

— Virgil Texas (@virgiltexas) January 31, 2018

Virgil & Matt gunna yell at the telly again

(Which will probly still be sitting on the floor of his apt)

kinda feel like all this stuff belongs more in the general left thread or the US politics thread

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, January 30, 2018 1:44 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

unfortunately all left discourse on the internet must pertain to the funny podcast men as of roughly mid-2016. sorry but it's the law.

I mean we've always discussed other shit on here which is why I gave the thread a bit of a broader title, it might as well stay here

anyway if Manning was unrepentant or didn't get the gravity of what had happened I might understand Fred's lack of sympathy but that's clearly not the case. sorry if it lessens my antifa cred that I'm willing to give a bit more leeway to and be more patient with someone who's been through what she has

https://www.pscp.tv/w/bT_HfDFWR1F2d1hZV09LT2t8MWdxR3ZZckxRWEJLQiat73D7iBpvG3tMD5ddxUdJJv11-GrE7cIxW0DJ42iw

mean we've always discussed other shit on here which is why I gave the thread a bit of a broader title, it might as well stay here

― Simon H., Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:53 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Mostly just don't want Fred 'n' co shitting up our thread, so I'd prefer to redirect them to a decoy

she spent 7 years being tortured in a lawless prison for leaking state secrets. she's not a fucking fascist cos she went to a single party. her "gathering intel" line was probably to appease performative jackasses like Fred B who apparently have no qualms about entirely dismissing a trans victim of state abusive as a fascist if it makes him look good.

someone said it above but I agree she's probably terribly traumatized and honestly hope she does not try to enter the incredibly toxic work of running a campaign right now, like Kickstart as a trip to the beach and read books

i watched like 25 minutes of the SOTU periscope last night, so good, lmao @ all of them (accurately) describing trump as looking "extra wide." felix is right, he sounded pilled out- downers maybe the only way he can make it thru a canned speech w/o improvising. also lol "chuck schumer looking... awful"

fat jokes, so edgy

did they talk about his hair too

sorry i’m just a bit 🙄 about the cult of personality surrounding a bunch of cokehead rich media tyles

hell yeah

Like Hillary, their haters only make them stronger.

the notion of them as tryhard edgelord coke bros gets weirder to me every time there's a 20-minute discussion of arcane government procedure or ann hourlong history lesson or tim faust coming on to talk health justice, to name a few examples. there are a lot of valid criticisms to make about the whole phenomenon (folks on the subreddit were bitching about inaccuracies and wild conflations in matt's solo history episode), including plenty made on here, just not sure how many of them are coming from people who actually listened

virgil’s interview with kaniela ing today is great, and v much in the chapo wonklord tradition simon mentions

I hadn't heard of Ing before but he seems very cool!

yeah me neither but he seems super-good

pretty easy on the ol’ eyes too

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Kaniela_Ing_for_Congress.png

1. DSA member judge Mik Pappas seems to be doing good work in Pittsburgh
2. This interview is one of the funniest I've seen in a long time just for the reporter's hilariously dismissive tone and signoff line

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/02/02/mik-pappas-no-cash-bail-policy-criticism/

“I’ve never, ever had or heard of a magistrate trying to invoke contempt powers whenever they don’t have them, number one, and number two, I clearly was not in contempt in any event,” DePasquale said.

he's not mad he's actually laughing about it

everyone is dunking on PSA's Jon Favreau for joining up with a health care initiative whose aim is Definitely Not to derail the M4A fight

You know that life or death political struggle you're invested in? Our mission is to remove it from the realm of politics by making it human pic.twitter.com/fqtDtazruF

— Will🦕Menaker (@willmenaker) February 7, 2018

the path already exists. the movement already exists. the political will exists. what’s lacking is a willingness to stand up for values that people already agree with for fear of alienating people like bill frist https://t.co/clB2I11KFd

— robot emma (@emmaroller) February 7, 2018

Felix is on the Michael Brooks Show episode playing a game of Gulag or Reeducation Camp

I think it's unproductive to ascribe nefarious motives to Favreau's stance here, that he's primarily concerned with carving out a professional niche for himself and his ilk in the future healthcare landscape as opposed to his stance just representing a disagreement on tactics/approach/pragmatism. but I also think he's dead wrong, the time for Medicare for All is right fucking now.

im sure the group jonfav is joining is sketchy and neoliberal or whatever but it does annoys me when ppl seem think you just push a button that says universal ur a puny moral feeb if you raise questions about policy. single payer isnt even the most socialist healthcare it actually has the potential to be p neolib

it's hard to say nefarious or not because those people literally don't know any other way to "solve" problems, they are technocrats. But I wouldn't be surprised if he very sincerely thinks "oh no, this medicare for all movement is so extremist and simplistic, we need to *think* our way out of this problem and find sensible solutions" as though that isn't exactly what obamacare made a herculean effort to do and still failed to do.

I mean yeah tbh it probably is an attempt to derail M4A

cozying up with the likes of Bill Frist gets a real big "Fuck You" from me

"Pod save America? NO NO NO
Pod DAMN America!" pic.twitter.com/iFcOQ2qnup

— Gore Vidal Sassoon (@JimmyJazz1968) February 7, 2018

glenn greenwald done went on chapo

das vedanya tovarich kompromat

more on that think tank

A few thoughts on the @USofCare group, launched today. To be fair, they haven't endorsed any particular policy platform yet, but I'm rather ... skeptical about what we'll see.

— Adam W Gaffney (@awgaffney) February 7, 2018

greenwald thankfully sticking mostly to his stronger subject areas

Was greenwald not already on Chapo once? Did I imagine that? Maybe it was one of the other leftpods I listen to.

Well he took over Scahill’s podcast and interviewed Tucker Carlson that one time

o yeah, I might be thinking of that. That was an interesting interview but I thought he was a little too credulous toward Carlson

I had a hate-obsession with McArdle for years so it's sort of gratifying to see I'm not the only one

honestly I'm worn out on the McArdle segments, I feel like there are lots of more interesting chud targets

that jimmy jazz tweet lmao

Reading series on McArdle is like a movie on MST3K that's so bad that even making fun of it doesn't quite displace the depressing fact of watching it in the first place.

I liked their commentary on the super bowl commercials, that hyundai ad really is dystopian in a world where it's getting tired to call things dystopian. Mark Leyner was the right reference point.

SMDH they didn't press record on the first Glen Greenwald interview.

indeed, tho ime mistakes like that usually result in a superior second take

I always enjoy mcardle dunking but yea i agree this last one was essentially interchangeable with any of the others in the past. i'm digging the new episode w/ GG so far.