this article about chapo and Jordan Peterson is too long and not all good, but I liked these bits:
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/10/clean-rooms-and-dirtbags/
Conservative Canadian professor Jordan Peterson and socialist Brooklynite podcast Chapo Trap House have a lot in common. They each make around a hundred thousand dollars a month from Patreon donations. They each inspire both adoration and revulsion, while rejecting, in different ways, forms of political correctness. And they share an audience—what Angela Nagle, writing in the Atlantic, called “lost boys” and what the Chapo guys call “failsons”—fans in their mid-20s, very frequently white, overwhelmingly male, with little direction in life but an aching need for purpose and meaning.
My best guess about what distinguishes a Peterson lost boy fan from a Chapo failson fan is that the two will tend to have different capacities. Peterson’s cleanliness emphasizes broad, shallow learning, aprioristic thinking, simplicity, symbolism, and sincerity. Chapo’s dirt emphasizes obsessive knowledge of various elements of modern culture (message boards, left-wing politics, film, anime, etc.), social reasoning, clever witticisms, complexity, the concrete, and irony. But Peterson’s logic does not really cohere in Twelve Rules for Life. And The Chapo Guide to Revolution isn’t a remotely clever book.
― soref, Thursday, 18 October 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
thanks for linking a pro trump publication itt
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 October 2018 19:40 (five years ago) link
the author seems like a really great guy and not an absolutely crushing bore "classical liberal" pretentious bard graduate https://arcdigital.media/what-being-a-liberal-used-to-mean-c84a11b3aae
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 October 2018 19:41 (five years ago) link
message boards, left-wing politics, film, anime, etc.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 18 October 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
Peterson and Chapo: a study in contrasts
― flappy bird, Thursday, 18 October 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link
con-traps
― President Keyes, Thursday, 18 October 2018 20:21 (five years ago) link
I never finished the Guide to Revolution, he's not wrong about it not being clever.
― louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:06 (five years ago) link
while I'm sure it isn't - i'll never read it, so i'll never know - "this book is not clever" is not a very compelling argument against an irreverent book by the hosts of what is essentially a political comedy podcast.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:10 (five years ago) link
and the utility in comparing it with peterson's book, which is deadly (self)serious, makes no sense.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:11 (five years ago) link
Wasn't 'failson' just a basically self-deprecating joke? I don't think it says much about the actual makeup of Chapo's audience.
― jmm, Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:15 (five years ago) link
they defined their fanbase as comprising of a majority of failsons, with a minority of success daughters, in the new yorker profile
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link
Jason Miller adds Will to his defamation suit, time to finally put those Chapo funds to good use
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-trump-adviser-jason-miller-sues-will-menaker-of-chapo-trap-house-over-tweet
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 18 October 2018 22:04 (five years ago) link
Amber and Will down, Dana White will probably sue Felix for whatever he says in the Jon Bois video.
― louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 18 October 2018 22:41 (five years ago) link
Virgil will end up in a CIA black site for his relationship to Ahmadinejad before he gets sued.
man people are really into this civility shit huh
Chapo is obnoxious as hell and abusive too. So while I admit that they should win, if they end up shutting down over legal fees I’ll still feel a little smug.— J.R. (@KYCol_JR) October 20, 2018
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 20 October 2018 15:06 (five years ago) link
"Behaviour or speech appropriate to civil interactions; politeness, courtesy, consideration. In later use frequently with negative overtones: the minimum degree of courtesy required in a social situation; absence of rudeness." so yeah ppl are into it, it's the underpinning of civilization.
― Mordy, Saturday, 20 October 2018 16:01 (five years ago) link
Enjoying it is one thing, taking delight in someone (hypothetically, in this case) sued into oblivion for trespassing against it is entirely another.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 20 October 2018 17:21 (five years ago) link
I think that goes beyond civility, sounds more like one of the many people who've never heard the show who believe the "racist Berniebros rating women on a scale of 10 or gulag" stuff.
― louise ck (milo z), Saturday, 20 October 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link
I wonder if they can even get personal jurisdiction over Menaker in a Florida court over a tweet.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 21 October 2018 19:14 (five years ago) link
It seems like there are some real due process concerns if a tweet becomes enough to bring someone into court anywhere in the US.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 21 October 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link
As much as I'm on his side here fwiw (100%), I think this was kind of dumb and irresponsible of him. Tweeting about a lawsuit involving someone close to you is a bad move.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 21 October 2018 20:48 (five years ago) link
Oh, he definitely knew it was dumb when he did it.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Sunday, 21 October 2018 20:59 (five years ago) link
Unless it has changed recently, Florida explicitly allows libel action against non-residents for online posts.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 21 October 2018 21:10 (five years ago) link
prophet matt strikes again
So apparently the sticker on the bombs said "Git Er Done" in a faux ISIS font with silhouetted mudflap ladies? What the hell.— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 24, 2018
@WarOnXMASVet @randygdub @GitRDoneLarry @mcurryfelidae07 @dankmtl @Stefan_BC "Git R Done"-- Larry the ISIS Guy, talking about jihad.— Matt "The Dang Deficit" Christman (@cushbomb) January 6, 2016
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 25 October 2018 01:49 (five years ago) link
Fuck me running
― flappy bird, Thursday, 25 October 2018 04:36 (five years ago) link
hahaha
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 25 October 2018 15:31 (five years ago) link
It's unmistakable.The pipe bombs are using a "Larry the Cable Guy"-inspired ISIS-like meme image. pic.twitter.com/6ob6tv058y— ➖Dustin Miller➖ 👻🎃 (@spdustin) October 25, 2018
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 25 October 2018 15:37 (five years ago) link
can't believe matt christman is the mail bomber smdh
― la bébé du nom-nom (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 25 October 2018 15:38 (five years ago) link
i was sure it was felix
good first-part of a piece on uk miners strike by amber
https://thebaffler.com/all-tomorrows-parties/nostalgia-mining-frost?fbclid=IwAR2KrLANcDfwLFERcVUU_GL8st3QhsrWQBsMRmly14ePW1EFB9Vlj2TteOw
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 25 October 2018 16:44 (five years ago) link
lmao at the latest episode opening with Ava Adore in the morning zoo bit
― flappy bird, Thursday, 25 October 2018 16:59 (five years ago) link
ok this is embarrassing but the Ava Adore music video autoplayed in another tab as I opened my computer and started listening to the new episode. the timing was perfect trust me
― flappy bird, Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:01 (five years ago) link
Amber hating on Crass, just another problematic position.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:13 (five years ago) link
wtf why?
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link
― la bébé du nom-nom (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:20 (five years ago) link
Ha
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:41 (five years ago) link
possibly the ultimate flappy bird post
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:41 (five years ago) link
lol
― jmm, Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:42 (five years ago) link
it fit so well with the bit and I literally only noticed something was off once the theme song was over. the levels were perfect and it was like yeah, of course Ava Adore would be the bed track for a morning zoo show. they're talking over it with the airhorn, three songs going at once. Damn
― flappy bird, Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:47 (five years ago) link
lmfao
Wrong on Crass but right on Billy Bragg tbf
― louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:48 (five years ago) link
i hate that he mixes up speedway announcer monster truck guy with morning zoo dj.
― XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:36 (five years ago) link
can we also talk about politipod herelatest episode how chapo out of the waterhttps://m.soundcloud.com/politipod
― XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:41 (five years ago) link
Uh, hard pass.
#WednesdayWisdom pic.twitter.com/jXIIHOiHwg— PolitiPod (@PolitiPod) October 24, 2018
― louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 25 October 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
yeah wtf is this homophobic garbage
― gbx, Thursday, 25 October 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link
https://www.thecut.com/2018/10/profile-red-scare-podcast.html
Say what you will about R*d Sc*re but if I had known all I would have to do to get paid for doing nothing is get a dogshit haircut and say the r word a lot i might have done it too— zooey béchamel (@floozyesq) October 25, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 25 October 2018 20:17 (five years ago) link
The podcast didn't "get a lift" from Dasha's video, it was founded directly afterwards, and would have maybe 1/30th the audience without it.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 25 October 2018 20:22 (five years ago) link
(that was in response to the Cut piece, I should clarify)
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 25 October 2018 20:26 (five years ago) link
I've never heard Red Scare, but it sounds like Fuse's Rad Girls to Cum Town's Jackass
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 25 October 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link
i've never listened to it either but going off of that profile they're... awful
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 25 October 2018 20:38 (five years ago) link