How can you regain self confidence when it gets lost?

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I thought that buying a whole lot of new underpants and socks would help, but it didn't. When I go into shops with my friends, I am amazed at their lack of fear to speak with shop assistants. The girls in my band tried to teach me something new and I got uptight and had a panic attack and had to leave because I thought I wouldn't be able to do it. I wear variations on the same (boring) outfit day after day because I don't want to attract attention to myself. I am too scared to go to the hairdresser because the thought of anyone touching me makes me feel upset.

I know I am always bleating on about feeling bad on ILE and asking for advice, so I'm sorry if I sound like a depressing git. I think I used to have a healthy dose of arrogance, oh where oh where has it gone? How can I start feeling like I deserve to take up public space?

rainy (rainy), Saturday, 26 October 2002 02:06 (twenty-three years ago)

rainy i'm not very good at giving advice but i think you should treat yrself with a holiday. also - what i said to you yesterday. drinking makes me feel bad about myself.

di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 26 October 2002 02:11 (twenty-three years ago)

ps i don't think anyone should feel guilty for talking about their problems on ILE.

di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 26 October 2002 02:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Confidence comes with the realization that it, in itself, breeds success. In other words, be proud of your shortcomings and you will never fail.

Mike Hanle y (mike), Saturday, 26 October 2002 04:16 (twenty-three years ago)

this isn't any help, but what you describe above, rainy, isn't at all a lack of confidence in my view -- more like a lack of societal conditioning, or something. your feelings and reactions are actually the most rational and natural, it's just that they are inefficient and cause problems in a modern society.

so if you recognize these as roadblocks and want to change them, you just have to very purposefully face fears and take risks and do things you're not at all comfortable with, and it gets easier. but i say, like hanle y, appreciate who you are first and most.

Aaron A., Saturday, 26 October 2002 04:23 (twenty-three years ago)

rainy i know what you mean and i have been there many times myself.
dont know the easy answer, but i can say i have made it through times like that by bullshitting, basically. i try to focus on times when i have felt very confident, re-immerse myself in that feeling and just 'brazen' my way along with a facade of cockiness while inside i tremble ( but no one sees ). eventually it passes, and my usual 'up-myself' attitude returns haha.
and i agree with di, nothing wrong with talking about problems, better out than in. plus, yes, the 'downer' of the day after drinking also made me feel pretty bad too so take that into account.
anyway, i like your posts, and you definately deserve to take up plenty of space on this planet! more than some 'oxygen thieves' i know of!

donna (donna), Saturday, 26 October 2002 05:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Little by little it should come back. Try to take in the positive things that happen in your life, however small they may seem at the time. Don't worry about not chatting with shop assistants.

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 26 October 2002 07:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Some of what you say, Rainy, sounds a bit like the kind of self-esteem problems that I have experienced from depression. This is a common effect of clinical depression, so it may be worth seeing a doctor - antidepressants work well for quite a lot of people, so may be worth a try.

Otherwise, the acting advice is good - imagine you are playing the role of a fantastic, strong, confident person, and do small things (like interacting with shop staff) in this mindset. It does help - I've done this myself, and it has helped get me through some tough times.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 26 October 2002 10:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Rainy, if you can identify a couple of things you really enjoy or are good at(provided they're not destructive of course) and where possible, indulge them on a regular basis, this can have a powerful effect on your self-confidence and belief. It's more about focusing on what's effective and pleasant in your life rather than concentrating on the areas that are lacking. It's about nourishing yourself with good things and realising that you're worth it and deserving of respect. It's incredible really in that, just the smallest of steps in this area can have profound effects on the areas that need attention. Honestly, it really works. I hope you don't think this is too preachy - it's absolutely not intended to be.

Saskia, Saturday, 26 October 2002 10:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Others have had better advice to offer here, so I'll just say that there's much you do have to be confident about, whether it's your art or music or general friendliness or more! Let that be a source of strength, and don't forget there are tons of people who like you and care for you -- and plenty, like Di, right in town there. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 26 October 2002 13:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought that buying a whole lot of new underpants and socks would help, but it didn't.

There goes my Plan B. :-)

Some of the stuff in your post rainy, hints to me at more than just a self-confidence problem. You might want to give that some thought. Too, getting your confidence back often has a lot to do with how you lost it(and *what* you lost) in the first place. More thinking for you.

Otherwise, I think you overcome this sort of problem by continually *trying* to overcome it and not allowing any failures (or perceived failures) to set you back. It's a clear cut case of getting back up on that bicycle, this time, knowing that you're going to fall.

Sooner or later though, you get your rhythm, you get your balance, and one day you realize that you're swathed once more in that bufferous delight of feeling remarkably good at whatever it is you're doing.

Assuming that this lack of self-confidence isn't just masking something else, you sooner or later

ragnfild (ragnfild), Saturday, 26 October 2002 18:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Whoops! Strike that last line above from my post.

ragnfild (ragnfild), Saturday, 26 October 2002 18:58 (twenty-three years ago)

no advice, just an empathy post: your problem is my problem

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Saturday, 26 October 2002 20:03 (twenty-three years ago)

you have to pretend its there,

gareth (gareth), Sunday, 27 October 2002 21:21 (twenty-three years ago)

i have been thinking about this topic over the last few days and while i realise that being able to go out and about and interact in daily-life-situations is important, i also feel that we place a lot of pressure on ourselves to be 'confident' when in fact there is nothing wrong with being the opposite sometimes.
bythe look of the responses, very few people actually FEEL that confident in public situations all the time, but act it out instead, so we are a large group of actors playing roles a lot of the time.
feeling panic when faced with something new, or wanting to disappear into the background arent alien feelings to me and i do understand what it is like. i know it isnt 'healthy' to remain in that state, of course, but questioning ourselves when we get like that makes it worse. well, it does for me anyway. i actually find it better to accept how i feel, admit it and choose environments that give me a sense of safety and security for a while, without feeling guilty or odd or silly. then i pretend the confidence i lack and off i go, like everybody else.
yes, to remain trapped by insecurity can become an all-encompassing thing that obviously isnt good if it gets to the point where you cant go out, but the fact that everyone else seems to be feeling self-doubt indicates to me that if we just loosened up and behaved how we really felt, the pressure to be 'bla bla' wouldnt make us question ourselves so much, which leads to even less self-confidence.
am i being incoherent again? or does anyone get what i mean.?

donna (donna), Sunday, 27 October 2002 22:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I like Saskia's advice best. I think that perhaps one can only pretend so long. The pressure of trying to project an image that is the opposite of how you actually feel can also bring even more stress and frustration and insecurity. If you can begin to genuinely feel confident about one or two things you like and are good at, it might help you approach other things. But I could be wrong.

sundar subramanian, Sunday, 27 October 2002 22:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I think you are right Donna. I am in a job where I wear a suit and have meetings with some quite senior people within the university. Everyone, here and in other work situations, who I have got to know well enough to talk about this kind of thing, says that they feel like a fake when they act like high-powered confident professionals, like kids pretending to be proper adults. I certainly feel that way, but I'm told that I come across as cool and confident.

But how to drop this? We can in some circumstances, but not most, really. And we know few people well enough to confess to the act - and they are almost entirely not the ones for whom the act is needed. My old friends would just giggle if they saw me in professional meeting mode. If I acted in meetings the way I do with friends, I don't suppose I'd get taken seriously.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 27 October 2002 22:17 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, thats the thing. i know if i behaved how i really felt in some situations, i would not be taken seriously either and it is true that sometimes certain behaviour isnt appropriate.but thats a pity really.
perhaps i am an idealist in this way, wishing for a perfect world where we could say openly when we felt confused or unconfident and others would accept it for what it is.

donna (donna), Monday, 28 October 2002 02:25 (twenty-three years ago)

thank you so much everyone for your advice. You are all pretty much OTM in many ways. Today I feel okay because I have really good hair. I think I will concentrate on a lot of small good things as much as possible until I can handle the larger stuff.

rainy (rainy), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 01:41 (twenty-three years ago)

rainy it is no lie when i say you always have good hair.

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 05:49 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
two years later, my question is, how does one even gain self-confidence at all?

kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 05:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't look at us.

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 05:33 (twenty-one years ago)

too late

kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 05:34 (twenty-one years ago)

be more better.

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)

too late

kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 05:45 (twenty-one years ago)

never!

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 05:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Buy a gun.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 05:58 (twenty-one years ago)

too poor

kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 06:09 (twenty-one years ago)

knife a hobo

mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 06:35 (twenty-one years ago)

too messy

giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

hock lugies

Remy Snush (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 07:51 (twenty-one years ago)

what is a lugie? does hock mean pawned, same as in australia?

(nb i have a vision of some poor person crippled by shyness desperately trying to pawn their own snot/phlegm in exchange for self-confidence)

gem (trisk), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 07:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Hawk a Loogie

This is a slang phrase with many variants. The verb is usually either hawk or hock and the subject varies between loogie, louie, lungie, and lunger. It means to cough up phlegm and dates to the 1970s.

Hawk is an old verb meaning to clear the throat or cough up phlegm. It dates to the late 16th century and is probably echoic in origin. Hock is a corruption of the original hawk.

Regarding the second half, lunger is probably the original. That word has meant a gob of phlegm since 1946, and a tuberculosis patient since the 1890s. The other forms are probably corruptions and variants on this original.

Remy Snush (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

ok so at least i had 'lugie' right i guess

gem (trisk), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 08:01 (twenty-one years ago)

best onscreen loogies include:

-Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey

kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
Revive, please. On a serious level, not one-liners. Is that too much to ask?

I used to have a lot of confidence, even to the point of being a bit bossy. But after perceived career failures, a major relationship breakup, and a host of other random "bad luck" type horrible things happening to me, my confidence is completely and totally shattered to the point where my utter insecurity and lack of self esteem is seriously compromising my life.

It's not a question of confidence with shop assistants and little stuff. It's a question of utter and complete FEAR stopping me from doing the big things in life. Pursue a career. Have a relationship. Start a new band/send out demo tapes. Even leave the house sometimes.

I can't pretend. That doesn't make me feel confident, it makes me feel like a fraud, it actually makes it worse. What should I do? Set myself little goals and pat myself on the back for accomplishing them? Take yoga? Go on anti-depressants for a while?

Anything, please.

Masonic Boom-Boom (kate), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry about this Kate - I'm a chronic suffer of confidence problems (which doesn't necessarily mean I have useful advice, but I can certainly empathise).

The last time I was incapacitated by fear, I couldn't make phone calls or apply for jobs or take any initiative, or even start the simplest tasks really. I was supposed to be doing some work from home for a charity, and I literally couldn't. And every minute I procrastinated just made me feel more and more useless. Vicious circle.

Things that helped:
1) I made list of small, achievable goals like you mention, and I did reward myself for achiveing them. Even if part of me was thinking 'that was pretty small'. It doesn't matter. Make it a habit and the small things will add up.
2) I made time to do things that I knew I was good at (not much, at that time, but every little helped). I didn't put pressures on the activities though - so I'd write a poem but I wouldn't try to publish it. Yet.
3) Telling myself it was ok to be going through this phase. Sometimes we do need to draw back and sort out internal stuff, before we can function fully in the 'outside' world. I was brought up having a lot of ambition and very high expectations of myself, I think, and I'd been asking too much of myself for so long that it all caved in on top of me. It's not *failure*.
4) Trying REALLY hard to stop judging myself against other people's successes. Involved daily reminders.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

agonise less over yourself. many people suck. get a mid-level job and try to achieve mediocrity. it is all that most of can ever hope to achieve....i'm kidding.....

d.arraghmac, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

i have to pretend its there,

charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Anti-depressants may well help, but I've got a friend who's been going through something like this in recent months and seems to be coming out of that now. I think what they actually needed was to get that feeling of possibility back - to work themselves into positions where they felt that there were new social connections being made, that may or may not develop into something. Not necessarily romantic, that's probably a bad idea right now. Just getting into situations that at the same time give that "hey, these people seem to like me" feeling.

This is an incredibly difficult barrier to cross I appreciate especially when you are in this situation (I myself was a year or so back), but once the breakthrough is made its such a boost that building on that becomes progressively easier.

What you shouldn't be doing is looking for things to fill a hole, because the chances are whatever it is *won't* fit, and that will make things worse.

This is all very vague and general, I've no idea if its any use - if not I'm sorry for being rub. (xpost - Archel is wise)

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Also the one thing to keep in mind is that there are many more people who like you than you may think right now. Don't lose sight of that.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I get so waylaid by the big things, that I find it next to impossible to concentrate on the small things.

I get so paralysed by the thought that "I *still* don't know what I want to do with my life" that I'm unable to do little things like apply for jobs or look for training to find an alternate job. I don't feel like it's acceptible or OK that I could somehow have reached the age of 33 and still not know what I want to be when I grow up. (Or, even worse, to have had an unrealistic goal, at which I totally failed.)

I get so paralysed by the thought that I'm 33 and I still haven't met the love of my life, got married, had children, or anything like that, and feel like an utter miserable failure, that I'm unable to even go on a date.

I've finally diasbused myself of the notion that I will meet someone and fall in love and that will Make Everything Better. I realise that's totally unrealstic and actually harmful, because doing that actually blows *me* off course when I get sucked into their dreams and desires instead of my own.

But that sort of confidence, that feeling of "I'm an OK person, I'm capable, people like me, I'm good at what I do" - that's just completely shattered and gone. Matt DC is utterly on the money. The sense of *possibility* is gone. I think of myself as a failure, as a loser, and so that is the attitude that I project. Which is self defeating. It's not just that I think other people don't like me, it's that I don't like myself.

Maybe Archel has the right idea about setting little, achievable goals, and getting into the habit.

Masonic Boom-Boom (kate), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 12:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Archel otm.

What I find helpful for me at least: When you want to do something but can't, ask yourself what's the worst that can happen. Rehearse it in your head. Still crippling fear? Imagine you are someone else watching you do the thing. Eg a new bandmate at your band's first rehearsal or someone who receives your demo or a colleague at your new job. Is it still so bad?

It doesn't help to say it now, I know, but it's cyclical and episodic and you'll be up soon.

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Beanz, I know what you're saying, and to a certain extent, I am manic depressive, and it is a cyclical thing. But this thing I'm experiencing right now is not cyclical. It's been an ongoing and growing thing which has been developping for about two years now, and it's not going away by itself.

Masonic Boom-Boom (kate), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry to hear this Kate. I would like to tell you what a lovely, intelligent, beautiful, talented & supportive person you are, but I know it doesn't really matter what other ppl think, it doesn't change the way you feel. I totally agree with you about making smaller goals. Work on it bit by bit (forgetting about the bigger things for now) & each time try to push yourself that little bit further. make lists of goals/tasks & you'll get a boost from crossing them off. If you can't manage something today, it is not a failure, it's a setback. What you do, is say "ok I didn't achieve that today, but I WILL try again tomorrow." Anti-depressants may help in as much as they will put you back on an even keal so that you may be better equipped to deal with these emotions.
Also, you know where I am & you have my number.

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I like you Kate. I wish I had some advice to give, but I can't think of anything to contribute other than what's already been said, so I hope just mentioning this helps some.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Stop looking at the big picture, I guess, and concentrate on the small things.

It's just hard for me to figure out what the small things are, when I feel like I don't have a master plan any more.

x-post :-)

Masonic Boom-Boom (kate), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Forget the master for now, concentrate on the day to day. I know it's hard, but you got to get through today before you can think about tomorrow. Start small & work up.

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Strange that this thread would come up actually, because after feeling like a complete failure for the majority of last night, I considered turning to a self-help book. However, every time I've glanced at these in book stores I'm always struck with how they seem to miss the point for me--they all seem to be giving good guidance for everyone else, but not me.

Consequently, I spent most of last night awake, constructing my own self-help book. A tailor-made one, just for me. It helped enourmously. It's on my desk now, and I still keep looking at it and feeling better.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

don't know what to add except to point out that everybody is introspective in january, it comes with the season. i spent two weeks thinking about 'might've's and 'what if?'s and didn't like what i saw but...

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

(Needless to say, I didn't finish an entire book in a night--it's a work-in progress, and most likely, will always be)

(x-post)

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Good luck tissp! I wrote stuff in an exercise book during the time mentioned above, and I did find one 'real' book helpful 'The Confidence to Be Yourself: how to boost your self-esteem' by Brian Roet. Obviously there are a million books on this out there, and they may not help at all, but it's a nice concrete starting point I think. Especially ones with exercises to do and stuff.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

This is going to sound weird, but how can you have the "confidence to be yourself" when you can't really remember or figure out who your self is, any more?

Masonic Boom-Boom (kate), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I get so paralysed by the thought that "I *still* don't know what I want to do with my life" that I'm unable to do little things like apply for jobs or look for training to find an alternate job. I don't feel like it's acceptible or OK that I could somehow have reached the age of 33 and still not know what I want to be when I grow up. (Or, even worse, to have had an unrealistic goal, at which I totally failed.)
I get so paralysed by the thought that I'm 33 and I still haven't met the love of my life, got married, had children, or anything like that, and feel like an utter miserable failure, that I'm unable to even go on a date.

Wierd. That's exactly, to the letter, my situation. Though going on dates is hardly top of my priorities - they're the last thing I can afford right now.
But it is difficult not to let feelings of hoplessness overwhelm you, or to feel completely exhausted by the situation. I'm not a depressive though, I'm just in the shit and every action seems to only take me deeper into it, which is, y'know, depressing. Spending the afternoon reading and posting on message boards really helps matters of course!

David Merryweather (DavidM), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

This is going to sound weird, but how can you have the "confidence to be yourself" when you can't really remember or figure out who your self is, any more?

OTFM

To me, to be myself, is to be a schitzophrenic, personality-hopping chameleon. And I don't like that one bit.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh I don't know. There are some people who seem to revel in burying themselves in a deep, dark hole of self-hatred, such that no one could ever hope to reach them or be expected to stay with them down there.

Rachel Verinder, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

*good thoughts for Kate*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Kate, in that situation you have to figure out who you want to be and work toward that. It's a lot more exciting that way.

alix (alix), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Whatever happened to that link that Carsmile posted the last time that I went through this (before all the setbacks of the past year)? Something about finding the adult equivalent of a career guidance counseller.

Masonic Boom-Boom (kate), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

*good thoughts for Kate*

What am I, chopped liver?
:)

Yeah, Rachel, you're probably right.

David Merryweather (DavidM), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

This is going to sound weird, but how can you have the "confidence to be yourself" when you can't really remember or figure out who your self is, any more?

I felt like this too. I think what I had to do was forget the preconceptions I had about who 'myself' was, and recognise that shit had happened, both externally and internally, that made that person impossible to get back, if she'd ever existed. Finally I accepted that I was probably going to come out of this as somebody different, and I had to start to learn to like THAT person rather than berate myself any more for not still being the person I THOUGHT I was.

Sorry, that was totally convoluted.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

A minor point, but starting bands and sending out demo tapes are not big things, they are trifles and should be enjoyed as such.

I have been updating my CV and it suddenly occurred to me that it was quite good. Now all I need is for someone to agree with me. And although I haven't done it yet, I've been thinking about writing a 'personal profile', a short text to tell potential employers what I can 'offer'. It's hard, nauseasting even, to try and think good things about yourself, but it does have positive effects on the old self-confidence.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

The trouble is, P, that whether something is trivial and fun or horrific and insurmountable is not objective. If you have a confidence problem, everything changes its hue.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

You are right. I was only trying to help.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

You're right too, in a way! I'm just saying...

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

A minor point, but starting bands and sending out demo tapes are not big things, they are trifles

Also, this depends entirely on the person, surely?

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Archel OTM there. It may seem trivial, but my confidence is so shot that it seems almost insurmountable. Also, there's a real fear in me, thinking "But all I really want to do is occasionally jam with a bunch of mates, and play the Bull and Gate once every few months. I don't want to be on TOTP or take over the world, I just want to have a good time for a few hours a week." and 1) not thinking that potential bandmates would understand, and 2) secretly not thinking that is a worthy goal.

I think what I had to do was forget the preconceptions I had about who 'myself' was, and recognise that shit had happened, both externally and internally, that made that person impossible to get back, if she'd ever existed. Finally I accepted that I was probably going to come out of this as somebody different, and I had to start to learn to like THAT person rather than berate myself any more for not still being the person I THOUGHT I was.

Wow, this is actually incredibly perceptive and useful. This is one of the most insightful things that anyone has said to me in a long time and I am going to have to think about it.

How did you go through this process? And how did you discover what the person that you turned out to be *was*?

Masonic Boom-Boom (kate), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

In fact, Archel so consistently OTM on this thread that I really want to give her a hug right now.

Masonic Boom-Boom (kate), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I used to have a real lack of confidence in my CV until I had to hire an assistant and saw some of the utter shite that got sent in. It made me feel so much better.

The logical extension of this is that you should hang around with some complete losers for the sake of perspective*. Kate, if you want, I can give you the number of this guy I know. At the age of 35 he decided he needed to change his life, went back to college, spent two years doing A-Levels, worked to save up enough to go to university... and then quit after a term because he was bored. He then went and got a job throwing dead chickens onto a conveyer belt. Last thing I heard from him, he was living in a tent somewhere near Dover picking fruit for a 'living'. He was the only person living there who wasn't an immigrant being ruthlessly exploited. He was just being exploited.

I've never known anyone who flushed his life down the toilet to such an extent for no reasons whatsoever. I've still no real idea why he did it.

*This is not remotely constructive advice. Please do not follow it.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, but is he happy?

Rachel Verinder, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Not at the time. But this was four years ago, he could be blissfully happy now for all I know.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Precisely.

Rachel Verinder, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Aw. Consider me hugged and right back at you :)

Anyway, I'm not sure how I did it really. I don't claim that I'm totally self-confident now. Taking life a day at a time, gradually building up those small achievements, it all helped. Going back to university to do a masters was I guess the big decision at the end of all the small ones. I'd been delaying it as I wasn't totally SURE about going into librarianship. But a step in ANY direction suddenly seemed preferable to standing still. And then, rather than having an epiphany about who I was, it was more like just learning to live with a piecemeal me. I'd been trying to construct a grand narrative, but people aren't heroes in real life. Now I just muddle along.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

One of my dad's contemporaries at university who was the best student there became a binman upon leaving. People do that kind of thing.

why must we cut onions? (Lynskey), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I rather like that.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know if this will help anybody but the thing that really helped me, to say gaining any kind of self confidence would be exaggaration, but more to get a perspective of myself, was actually to go through a lot of failure.

Every now and then I get the urge to really try out something that I will possibly be shit at, and having fun at the failure. I mean, maybe that is the ultimate in low self-confidence/esteem that you just give up caring and try everything. And finding out what I'm bad at was actually more helpful than telling myself anything like "i'm great" without believing in it. Because now I KNOW exactly how good/bad I am at certain things, and I have a definite line that I can try and push forward.

And when I do mess up I know that it doesn't matter (i mean it depends on what exactly you're doing) if I acknowledge it. I never pretended to be good. And God that is a good feeling. I think the first time I felt this way (around the halfway through last year) was the first time I was like "oh my god I think I'm growing up"

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

And then when I do find something that I'm awesome at then it's GET IN.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I have zero confidence in my ability to do anything 'new' or out of the ordinary, or get things done or make a change/take a risk - I don't blame anyone or myself for this, it's just the way I've turned out. I'm fine with the familiar and mundane everyday things. A lot of the time I have to admit that I'm okay with this, I can get by and be quite happy, I fear one day I'll be really angry with myself for not trying a little bit more...but anyway, yeah, I guess the incramental thing is the way to go, small steps...

"But all I really want to do is occasionally jam with a bunch of mates, and play the Bull and Gate once every few months. I don't want to be on TOTP or take over the world, I just want to have a good time for a few hours a week."

This sounds really okay as a way to live to me!!

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

That's exactly, to the letter, my situation. Though going on dates is hardly top of my priorities - they're the last thing I can afford right now.

Slightly off topic, but this made me realize that, for women, romance is often a reason for being, and that it isn't necessarily so for men.

Archel, what you shared was really helpful, especially because you seem really together.

youn, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

This is a lovely, positive and inspirational thread. I should really print it out and read it when I'm feeling low. That's much more constructive for me.

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Saturday, 5 February 2005 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a good thread, I had missed it the first time around.

I was brought up having a lot of ambition and very high expectations of myself, I think, and I'd been asking too much of myself for so long that it all caved in on top of me. It's not *failure*.

Yeah, I know what that's like! phew. OK, so I'm not the only one.

daria g (daria g), Sunday, 6 February 2005 06:25 (twenty-one years ago)

thirteen years pass...

I think what they actually needed was to get that feeling of possibility back - to work themselves into positions where they felt that there were new social connections being made, that may or may not develop into something.

This is a really timely post for me to read. I've been putting in a lot of long term work trying to sort through the reasons why I've never had confidence in the first place and I think I'm making inroads, but what I really struggle with right now is the inability to take advantage of it. Mostly in terms of, like, life goals and what I want to be doing with my life, but also with not having any friends at this stage of life. But my day-to-day life is just so crushingly the same, every day after every day, that I don't even feel the possibility of meeting any new people at all, much less developing anything resembling a friend.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 15:03 (eight years ago)


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