get out (2017, dir. jordan peele)

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so this was good! just a very well-constructed thriller that synthesizes a lot of established works in horror and suspense that also function as allegories about racism (included in peele's recent bam showcase were night of the living dead and candyman) or are just total showcases of conspiracy and dread (imo stepford wives and the '70s invasion of the body snatchers are present, and the finale feels like an inverse funny games in the best possible way) into a movie that's also literally about racism, appropriation, miscegenation, microaggression, etc. hard to determine if this is necessarily a trend or just an observation about horror movies recently finding non-traditional audiences, but it feels potentially like a horror movie that people who don't watch horror movies will like a la babadook/it follows etc. but feels stronger than most of those bc the metaphor, though just as transparent, is much richer. (it's also a pretty funny movie, like there is literally a character who serves entirely as comic relief.) at first i was sort of underwhelmed with the cinematography, everything felt kinda drained of color (maybe on purpose) but about halfway through it settles into some very pretty kubrickian asymmetries. the score also rules

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Monday, 27 February 2017 18:45 (ten months ago) Permalink

this was surprisingly controversial in my circles. I really enjoyed it. the cast is great. with some very smart casting choices I won't get into for reasons.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 27 February 2017 18:47 (ten months ago) Permalink

i really liked it. great job of building tension, really creepy performances (especially the groundskeeper and maid but also all the party guests). my main quibbles were i could have done without the comic relief (dude was funny but the tonal shifts whenever he appeared were abrupt) and it kind of falls apart in the action scenes a bit (but this is a very common issue with high-concept horror/thriller movies).

na (NA), Monday, 27 February 2017 18:49 (ten months ago) Permalink

currently sitting at 100% on Rotten Tomatoes, guess I should go see it

frogbs, Monday, 27 February 2017 18:51 (ten months ago) Permalink

are we doing spoilers on this thread or no

na (NA), Monday, 27 February 2017 18:51 (ten months ago) Permalink

I think we probably should

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 27 February 2017 18:56 (ten months ago) Permalink

actually scratch my babadook/it follows categorization upthread, the recent horror film this resembles most is the invitation imo

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Monday, 27 February 2017 19:19 (ten months ago) Permalink

SPOILERS FOR A COUPLE OF MOVIES

what was funniest to me is that it very closely parallels the not as good A Cure for Wellness which came out the previous week - our hero hits a deer, then ends up in an idyllic, very white place where everyone is freakishly content, led by a friendly patriarch, discovers the seamy underbelly (and in both cases the truth evokes creepy eugenics shit and racial pseudoscience), there's a supernatural dimension to both revelations, the hero is rendered immobile during a key expository sequence, in the end the hero gets out alive with the help of their only ally after killing off the mad scientist and burning the place to the ground

obviously a lot of those are just general genre touchstones but there were some amusing similarities to me

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 27 February 2017 19:26 (ten months ago) Permalink

one of the best theater going experiences I've had in years. multiple applause breaks, cheering, people cracking jokes and the crowd laughing at them, total silence when it was tense.... an amazing experience, and a great great movie.

flappy bird, Monday, 27 February 2017 19:55 (ten months ago) Permalink

my audience's reaction to the cop car pulling up was profound

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 27 February 2017 20:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

i feel like i've seen a bunch of horror/thriller movies that start with the hero hitting an animal with their car (including the aforementioned "the invitation"). i think it's a new cliche. but it works well with the backstory in this case.

na (NA), Monday, 27 February 2017 20:03 (ten months ago) Permalink

can't think of direct precedents for some reason but it is definitely not a new cliche

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 27 February 2017 20:04 (ten months ago) Permalink

SPOILERS
it was pretty tightly plotted, but i wasn't sure why he kept asking rose for the car keys even after he knew she was involved in the plot. maybe he thought she was just hypnotized too, but even then, why would she be able to give him the keys?

na (NA), Monday, 27 February 2017 20:05 (ten months ago) Permalink

my audience's reaction to the cop car pulling up was profound

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, February 27, 2017 3:02 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DUDE. it was incredible

flappy bird, Monday, 27 February 2017 20:07 (ten months ago) Permalink

and then "man I told you not to go up there," roaring laughter

flappy bird, Monday, 27 February 2017 20:08 (ten months ago) Permalink

Horror is not my genre, esp the gory kind, so I'll hold off til i can watch this at home. If yer not in NYC you may want to replicate this Peele-programmed series:

http://www.bam.org/film/2017/jordan-peele

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 February 2017 20:09 (ten months ago) Permalink

this is really not very violent/gory fwiw (esp by contemporary standards), about as violent as say Under the Skin (which it echoes in some pretty specific ways)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 27 February 2017 20:12 (ten months ago) Permalink

there's only one particularly gooey scene

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Monday, 27 February 2017 20:13 (ten months ago) Permalink

yeah it's certainly not DON'T BREATHE, the last horror movie i saw theatrically. awful, way too gross...

flappy bird, Monday, 27 February 2017 20:16 (ten months ago) Permalink

...though frankly that also had one incredible moment of audience reaction

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 27 February 2017 20:17 (ten months ago) Permalink

If yer not in NYC you may want to replicate this Peele-programmed series:

... Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?!

insidious assymetrical weapons (Eric H.), Monday, 27 February 2017 20:17 (ten months ago) Permalink

well there's obviously an influence/spin there.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 February 2017 20:20 (ten months ago) Permalink

besides the more obvious touchstones in his series it reminded me a little of those oddball suburban paranoia horror flicks of the late 80s like Society and Parents (albeit less eccentric)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 27 February 2017 20:24 (ten months ago) Permalink

or the original Stepfather

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 27 February 2017 20:26 (ten months ago) Permalink

the parents reminded me of the parents in HEATHERS ("Oh, you.")

flappy bird, Monday, 27 February 2017 20:27 (ten months ago) Permalink

There's a reason why The 'Burbs is included.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 February 2017 20:27 (ten months ago) Permalink

it feels potentially like a horror movie that people who don't watch horror movies will like

True in my case.

JRN, Monday, 27 February 2017 20:35 (ten months ago) Permalink

I loved it.

SPOILERD

the asking Rose for the keys thing...at that point I thought it was still possible that she was hypnotized, like maybe she keeps bringing people home and then is hypnotized to forget it. I wasn't sure until the final twist. With hindsight, her not being in on it doesn't make nearly as good a story.

And the cop car showing up at the end was great, I was at a pretty empty showing but that was the loudest it got, and a fun play on the Night of the Living Dead ending.

dan selzer, Monday, 27 February 2017 20:43 (ten months ago) Permalink

I am not a horror movie guy, but if more were like this, I would be converted easily. Key & Peele fans will be gratified if not surprised that this works so well. If you are this insightful at working an audience for both laughs and terror, you've got some formidable talent.

Chris L, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 17:49 (ten months ago) Permalink

hahahaha classic

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 23:50 (ten months ago) Permalink

White wrote of Peele’s film: “‘Get Out’ does not rank with America’s notable race comedies — Brian De Palma’s ‘Hi, Mom!’, Ossie Davis’s ‘Gone Are the Days! (Purlie Victorious)’, Robert Downey Sr.’s ‘Putney Swope,’ Melvin Van Peebles’s ‘Sweet Sweetback’, Hal Ashby’s ‘The Landlord,’ Rusty Cundieff’s ‘Fear of a Black Hat,’ or any of the genre spoofs by the Wayans family, … or the recent Eddie Murphy films that are so personal and ingenious, they transcend racial categorization.”

Still taking this in.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 23:51 (ten months ago) Permalink

So I had to double check and yes, he DID love Norbit:

http://www.nypress.com/norbit-well-fat-suited/

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 23:52 (ten months ago) Permalink

lol @ Armond calling "Sweet Sweetback" a "comedy"

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 23:52 (ten months ago) Permalink

it's that among other things

ppl caring about perfect RT scores -- ah internet + movies = DOOMSDAY

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 00:07 (ten months ago) Permalink

Whites review was ridiculous in many ways regardless.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 00:10 (ten months ago) Permalink

I fucking hate rotten tomatoes so much

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 00:12 (ten months ago) Permalink

I just read Armond's pan of Fences, which RT somehow lists as "fresh"

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 00:14 (ten months ago) Permalink

congrats to armond on managing to write something dumb and grossly offensive even by the standards of national review

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 00:18 (ten months ago) Permalink

I loved this. the comedy was great. I feel like Peele's plot developments were a bit familiar (I mean it was v similar to the plot of that shit movie The Skeleton Key which wasn't exactly original when it came out) but twists weren't the point really.

I liked the cheesy over the top horror moments like the evil latin music while Bradley Whitford was ...uhh....doing something that I won't reveal.

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 00:41 (ten months ago) Permalink

not really 'scary' but I'm hard to scare so I'm not a good metric for that

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 00:41 (ten months ago) Permalink

one of the best theater going experiences I've had in years. multiple applause breaks, cheering, people cracking jokes and the crowd laughing at them, total silence when it was tense.... an amazing experience, and a great great movie.

― flappy bird, Monday, February 27, 2017 2:55 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah the audience was howling at the TSA guy throughout. it was one of the few times I enjoyed being in a packed theatre.

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 00:44 (ten months ago) Permalink

i really liked this a lot. there were echoes of a lot of other horror films (one that kept coming to mind was "house of the devil," which had a similar scene where the main character has an important revelation through stumbling on some old photographs) but it all felt surprising and fresh. i saw it a couple days ago and i'm still thinking about it a lot, which is unusual for me.

spoiler

rose's sudden change was really chilling, she dragged that scene out just long enough where i genuinely wasn't sure whether she was in on it or not, and then that ice-cold delivery of that single line: "you know i can't give you the keys." creepiest scene in the movie for me.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 00:52 (ten months ago) Permalink

yeah I loved that. I was fairly certain given the reveal a moment prior but her transition (and then her subsequent acting job on the phone call) were chilling.

her "you were my favorite" and kiss blow too.

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 00:55 (ten months ago) Permalink

*one of my favorites

that was the creepiest line for me

flappy bird, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 00:57 (ten months ago) Permalink

her not noticing the commotion due to listening to (I've Had) the Time of My Life on headphones was funny as hell too

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 00:59 (ten months ago) Permalink

Speaking of Eddie Murphy the film's title is taken from this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IH6IeiLtts

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 01:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

This was so good.

Fiddle Catstro (latebloomer), Thursday, 2 March 2017 04:14 (ten months ago) Permalink

the Jeffrey Dahmer sequence w/ the TSA guy is perhaps the most I've laughed in a movie theatre in eons. the whole theatre was roaring to where I almost couldn't hear dialogue.

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Thursday, 2 March 2017 04:19 (ten months ago) Permalink

kind of nice to see horror with actual comedy as the moments of levity rather than the stilted laughs you typically see in horror films.

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Thursday, 2 March 2017 04:20 (ten months ago) Permalink

oh no, a good jump scare done well is amazing. a film full of them is the worst

Shat Parp (dog latin), Friday, 22 September 2017 14:27 (three months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp_8h-AbQ98

dan selzer, Friday, 22 September 2017 14:28 (three months ago) Permalink

there's a few jump scares in this film, not excessive

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 22 September 2017 16:28 (three months ago) Permalink

usually waht scares me about jump scares are the 17 year olds who shriek in my ear when they happen

Neanderthal, Friday, 22 September 2017 18:41 (three months ago) Permalink

fool me into thinkin i like a movie and then get home and realize I was only scared cos people were rupturing my ear drums

Neanderthal, Friday, 22 September 2017 18:41 (three months ago) Permalink

i have always hated jump scares, they're totally unpleasant and cheap

ogmor, Friday, 22 September 2017 20:05 (three months ago) Permalink

if I ever make a horror movie, anytime anyone stops to look at or behind anything, they will be immediately killed, then licked by a passing cat a few beats later

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 22 September 2017 20:06 (three months ago) Permalink

jump scares are a lazy trope but worse are the current crop of Catholic-guilt demons-among-us horror films because basically all it is = invincible malevolent forces shapeshifting into whatever they feel like for 2 hours with no ground rules and no Argento-like visual treatery to make it worthwhile.

Annabelle sucked balls.

Neanderthal, Friday, 22 September 2017 20:26 (three months ago) Permalink

That's good to hear, thanks everyone! Definitely gonna check this out soon.

Personally I hate jump scares and I've really started to take more of an interest in horror after realizing that good horror films involve much more than obnoxious surprises, but I will admit that I like a well-done jump scare. a good example = the winkys diner scene in mulholland drive.

josh az (2011nostalgia), Friday, 22 September 2017 23:23 (three months ago) Permalink

Oh man there's so much good horror that has no interest whatsoever in making you jump out of your seat and shriek, so much of it.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 September 2017 23:30 (three months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

I finally watched this as part of my year-end catch-up.

The constant ebb and flow of wondering whether these people are for real, or if they're presenting a veneer over something evil, kept me on the edge of my seat. I think the tension of being a fish out of water, this entire white people country club life that the protagonist is dropped into, was really well done. It's a position I've experienced few times, but every part of the party gathering was hitting my fight-or-flight instinct and it's a testament to Peele's writing and directing that it seems so relatable, but he has Chris keeping his cool because this is how life is for him all the damn time. And that's why he's noticing things but navigating through it until we get to that crucial photo reveal.

Seeing the film nominated for comedy categories initially made me irritated, but it's true: it's a dark satire, a comedic allegory. The film itself is completely horror (phone calls with TSA hero buddy notwithstanding) but outside the context of the film's world we recognize satire as humor, although this is a work that makes me really question that.

And yeah, the police car pulling up had me on the edge of my seat but the door swinging open to reveal it says "Transportation Safety" had me cheering.

mh, Monday, 1 January 2018 22:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

kept me on the edge of my seat

my literal experience too, from beginning to end

difficult listening hour, Monday, 1 January 2018 23:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I did enjoy the ads running in trade press telling me to vote for this movie In All Categories Including Best Picture

El Tomboto, Monday, 1 January 2018 23:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

that is awesome. i think a best picture nom is a v safe bet, and after last year a win isn't implausible either, which is pretty remarkable

happy to hear that people are having the same edge of the seat experience at home as i had in a packed theater on opening weekend

flappy bird, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 03:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

We liked it in Miami!!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 04:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

So the first 70 minutes or so of this were pretty good. Unfortunately it then becomes a full-blown conventional horror film, ie the dumbest genre. The Plot of the locals, when revealed, didn't really make any kind of sense to me. And I was not scared for a minute -- the most 'horror' in the general sense was probably all the White People Remarks to Chris, cuz you know they've all been said.

Kaluuya was fine (I can't say the same for the endless tics of Allison Williams). My favorite performances were by the TSA friend and Stephen Root.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 14:24 (one week ago) Permalink

And have you watched the original bleak ending on the DVD? Much better.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 14:25 (one week ago) Permalink

I've seen the alternate ending. I prefer the one Peele used for how my theatrical audience reacted to it (audible relief)

Simon H., Wednesday, 3 January 2018 14:40 (one week ago) Permalink

surprised Peele didn't do anything to wrap up the "Logan King/Andre" character arc in a post-credits sequence

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 14:49 (one week ago) Permalink

Mike D'Angelo generally OTM:

Kaluuya, who was so quietly impressive in Sicario, turns in one of the most expressively reactive performances I can recall, projecting Chris' true emotions—half-pained, half-amused at self-serving proclamations of allyship; dumbfounded by casual overt racism—through a credible scrim of politeness. (Casting a dramatic actor, rather than Key or himself, was an inspired choice on Peele's part. Kaluuya is already my choice to beat for lead male this year.) The big twist, however, kinda defangs the movie. "Why us? Why black people?" Chris asks, and the answer feels *ad hoc*, because race isn't really intrinsic to the (fairly decent, if familiar) horror-movie idea Peele came up with. Elderly or disabled people wanting to inhabit younger, healthier bodies makes perfect sense in any context; there are potentially pointed and discomfiting reasons to demand African-American vessels, but Get Out, surprisingly (given how consistently sharp the setup is), doesn't dig in. I suspect that's because Peele recognized that it's much creepier for the groundskeeper and the maid to be Stepford-y rather than, say, clumsily "black" (i.e. appropriation as possession, which seems like the obvious thematic choice if you're shrewdly taking aim at "the good ones" rather than deplorables). The satire and the horror mesh so weakly that strengthening one inevitably means diminishing the other. And revealing the ostensibly well-meaning white liberals as pure evil, rather than deluded, lets them (me) off the hook.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 14:57 (one week ago) Permalink

Whichever ending doesn't matter because the point of the entire movie is embodied in the viewer putting two and two together when the cop car initially shows up

mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:01 (one week ago) Permalink

The big twist, however, kinda defangs the movie. "Why us? Why black people?" Chris asks, and the answer feels *ad hoc*, because race isn't really intrinsic to the (fairly decent, if familiar) horror-movie idea Peele came up with. Elderly or disabled people wanting to inhabit younger, healthier bodies makes perfect sense in any context; there are potentially pointed and discomfiting reasons to demand African-American vessels, but Get Out, surprisingly (given how consistently sharp the setup is), doesn't dig in.

idk i think this is kind of backwards or at least i don't think the movie needed to dig in much more than it did, it's p. obvious that the idea was to take white fascination with/appropriation of blackness when convenient to an extreme conclusion. when listening to black ppl talk about this movie the reaction was more "well of course, they're always taking from us."

also deluded vs. evil does nothing for me when one easily leads to the other. clearly in some wacky sense the whites felt they were doing some best of both worlds shit that yes was also very evil.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:14 (one week ago) Permalink

But the thing is, white appropriation including *black skin* doesn't make sense, because you suddenly acquire what the Asian party guest in the film would call "disadvantages."

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:20 (one week ago) Permalink

Well, I think that's an aspect of the satire, pushed to the extreme. They want to be as black as can be, short of actually *being* black, because to their mind (no pun intended) they're *not* black because they are still themselves.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:24 (one week ago) Permalink

well, that's not overtly indicated at any point.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:29 (one week ago) Permalink

Maybe not. But it can be perhaps inferred, and it's an extension of reducing black people down to less than people, just vessels for their attributes or talents.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:34 (one week ago) Permalink

I agree, though, from a logical standpoint, talking your way out of a ticket by saying you're not *really* black seems unlikely. I think I got the vibe they were starting an isolated community/commune upstate, a la the werewolf commune in The Howling.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:35 (one week ago) Permalink

well, that's not overtly indicated at any point.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:29 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

does it need to be? really?

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:36 (one week ago) Permalink

xpost Yeah, it's noteworthy that they weren't, like, moving to the city or something after taking possession of a black body. They remained where they knew they'd continue to be accepted as 'one of the good ones'.

Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:38 (one week ago) Permalink

seems like a dubious transaction; I don't ask much of horror scenarios, but the mechanics needed to be a little more, um, fleshed out.

Also once Chris started kicking ass, I anticipated each of the beats perfectly. It was too rote.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:47 (one week ago) Permalink

I liked this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBvcngHRTFg

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 16:54 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's noteworthy that they weren't, like, moving to the city or something after taking possession of a black body. They remained where they knew they'd continue to be accepted as 'one of the good ones'.

It's not even that--everyone in the community knows the truth, they are accepted because they are literally the same person in a different body. And also staying within the community prevents them from accidental exposure to flashes and stuff without having Keener there to bring them back. What price immortality?

Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:24 (one week ago) Permalink

but why would they yearn to be groundskeepers and maids?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:28 (one week ago) Permalink

I thought maybe they were only groundskeepers and maids and whatnot when outsiders were around?

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:35 (one week ago) Permalink

XP They're not always groundskeepers and maids? Remember, alot of what we see is putting on airs in reverse because of the guest.

Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:37 (one week ago) Permalink

Haven't seen this since it came out, but isn't the implication behind Root's character picking Chris that he will continue on in Chris's career as a photographer? Likewise Rose looking at basketball players. The groundskeeper and maid were just who was at hand when they did the switch and they're only performing those jobs while Chris is around

rob, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:44 (one week ago) Permalink

many xps - yea that video was great! thanks for sharing

flappy bird, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:51 (one week ago) Permalink

I didn't see that as them only playing those roles, but actually relishing the ability to do so. Grandmother get's to serve and dote on her kids and grandkids and serve them lemonade? Grandpa gets to do yardwork? Sounds like an ideal retirements scenario for any number of seniors.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:07 (one week ago) Permalink

also raises less suspicions

, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:12 (one week ago) Permalink

I need to rewatch this for sure, but I got the sense that part of the strain that they're under, which allows their real personalities to surface, is in having to act out uncomfortable/unwanted roles. I'd have to agree with Morbz otherwise: why would rich white people used to having servants want to retire as those servants?

rob, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:16 (one week ago) Permalink

Surprised to see Dr Morbz on the side of The Plausibles.

Akdov Telmig (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:26 (one week ago) Permalink

the other part of the equation is that black people who go missing simply don't get as much media attention as white people who go missing - i think that was explained in the film?

, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:31 (one week ago) Permalink

why would rich white people used to having servants want to retire as those servants?

Because they weren't actually servants! They were only acting that way for the benefit of Chris, literally the only person there who did not know the truth.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:15 (one week ago) Permalink

I didn't see that as them only playing those roles, but actually relishing the ability to do so. Grandmother get's to serve and dote on her kids and grandkids and serve them lemonade? Grandpa gets to do yardwork? Sounds like an ideal retirements scenario for any number of seniors.

― dan selzer, Wednesday, January 3, 2018 1:07 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:29 (one week ago) Permalink

xp
yeah i know I said that in my prev post. in this one I was responding to dan selzer saying that they likely "relish" the opportunity to serve lemonade and do yardwork. I don't think that's an egregiously wrong interpretation or anything and I like that the movie doesn't spell everything out, but I think it more likely that when Chris isn't there they're not serving lemonade or doing yardwork at all.

Anyway, I think Morbius asked an interesting question (why would privileged white people want to give up that privilege in order to be black?), and I think the answer is that the form of liberal white racism that Peele is exploring here covets, fetishizes, envies black struggle, which is something they, as white people, cannot ever possess

rob, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:48 (one week ago) Permalink

I thought maybe they were only groundskeepers and maids and whatnot when outsiders were around?

That seems a good intuitive guess, but dammit again, we need to see that, somehow.

Ward, there's a difference between being a Plausible and noting details that seem thematically and narratively sloppy.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 21:30 (one week ago) Permalink

idk I thought that was pretty obvious. and rob is otm about this particular set of upper middle class centrist liberals and how they fetishize blackness - "I would've voted for Obama a third time" is a great joke but it also tells us a lot about the kind of people they are.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 21:33 (one week ago) Permalink

When Rod the TSA Guy says that something's wrong because dandified Logan King/Andre is "from Brooklyn," that strikes me as a subtle joke about the New Brooklyn, bcz there are plenty of A-A guys in Fort Greene who dress like that.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 21:38 (one week ago) Permalink

alison williams drinking milk through a straw, eating dry froot loops & listening to Dirty Dancing .... perfect, hilarious & almost horrifyingly TOO REAL lol, like i felt kinda paranoid/embarrassed at how familiar it was

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 21:48 (one week ago) Permalink

xp haha yeah that line made me do a double take

Josefa, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 22:01 (one week ago) Permalink


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