Librians/Library Workers- Give me some advice

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On Monday one of my friends I work with gave me the news that her boy friend, who is a part time office clerk at the local public library, was giving his notice that day. I headed over there right after I got out of work and let the person sitting at the desk in the office that I had worked with Mr B's girlfriend,I've been thinking about going back for my MLS and that I was interested in the job that was opening up to gain some library experience. Little did I know that the woman I had just talked to was the head librarian for the branch. She asked me where I was thinking about going to school and what I want to do after I get my MLS. They had run out of applications in that office,so the secretary called around to the different departments and no body had applications. She told me that the job wasn't posted yet and to come back tomorrow to fill out an application. I went back the next day,filled out the application, found out that Mr. B's boss will be back to work on Monday and that Mr B's last day is this Wendsday. Of course on Monday I'm going to call her up and ask her if she's recieved and had a chance to review my application.

So Brother and Sister Bibliophilies, what's the one piece of advice you would give me so that when I get this interview I will land this job to get my foot in the door?

brg30 (brg30), Saturday, 26 October 2002 15:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Pretend you're a bit interested in books.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 26 October 2002 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)

You realise the importance of the library as a gateway to knowledge, and that a library is more than just books. (though they are very important)

You enjoy interacting with the public, and helping people find the information they require. They may have a specific question like "how would you help a user who is making a complaint or refusing to pay fines" (answer: keep your cool, check that the fines are payable, if the costumer continues teh complaint, ask them if they want to speak to the library manager!)

You want to progress in your career, they love it if you definetely want to become a librarian!

You are able to work well in a team based environment (have an example ready)

Ask questions!

Good luck!

Ned and Nicole to thread!

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 26 October 2002 16:09 (twenty-three years ago)

they might ask u about some books you've read so have a nice pat answer. like "verlaine is good cos he shot rimbaud when he wasn't busy reaming him" ok?

bob zemko (bob), Saturday, 26 October 2002 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

remember to say you saw buffy a couple of weeks ago and you wanna be like giles

bob zemko (bob), Saturday, 26 October 2002 16:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Jel is pretty much OTM, so I don't really have much to add. The fact that you are thinking of getting your MLS will be an advantage so definitely mention it, and emphasize your eagerness to learn more about the profession. You might also want to think of an example that shows you are good at multitasking, since a lot of times you will be called upon to be doing a few things at once. Good luck!

Nicole (Nicole), Saturday, 26 October 2002 16:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Jel and Nicole summed it up on both a practical/immediate level and a look-to-the-future level. Therefore I will just echo Nicole with good luck and well wishes! Though I guess there's one thing I can say: for a variety of reasons I don't want to become a librarian (as muttered elsewhere, I am done with grad school and then some), but certainly showing an interest in reaching for that can't hurt -- since there are so many specialities one can have as a librarian, you might want to consider what fields you'd really like to work in (and it never hurts to show that you are interested in on-line resources as well, that's increasingly the focus of the 'library' as an institution).

Rockist Scientist might also have some thoughts.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 26 October 2002 19:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Pretend you're a bit interested in books.

I'm sorry Mr Skidmore, it seems that you have several volumes of The Complete Crumb Comics that are way overdue. Until you return them and pay off your fines, I cannot let you check out any more library items.

they might ask u about some books you've read so have a nice pat answer. like "verlaine is good cos he shot rimbaud when he wasn't busy reaming him" ok?

And Mr. Zemko, I gonna to have to ask you to replace the copy of
'In Youth is Pleasure' you borrowed. Several of the pages seem to be sticking together. ; 0

brg30 (brg30), Sunday, 27 October 2002 19:16 (twenty-three years ago)

good luck!

donna (donna), Sunday, 27 October 2002 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Jel/ Ned/ Nicole

Thanks for the encouragement. I ve been going around talking to lots of different librarians and library workers. Some have given me good advice. Some, mostly in the university libraries, have put me through a polite but firm harsh reality hazing. " So Bryan, your going to have an extremely hard time trying to get a job in a music library, let alone as a cataloger if this is the specitality you choose. What are you planning to do until then?" Answer: Whatever it takes to keep me well rounded in different aspects of Library Science so that I'm employable untill I can get the job I'm looking for.... Back to tweaking the resume.

And yes I know I spelled Librarians wrong in the thread heading-Doh!!

brg30 (brg30), Sunday, 27 October 2002 19:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, knowing how to spell librarian is probably pretty important, though obv not on ILE.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 27 October 2002 19:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Libraians are the only inanimate sign of the zodiac, all the others representing either humans or animals. Many modern astrologers regard it as the most desirable of zodiacal types because it represents the zenith of the year, the high point of the seasons, when the harvest of all the hard work of the spring is reaped. There is a mellowness and sense of relaxation in the air as mankind enjoys the last of the summer sun and the fruits of his toil. Librans too are among the most civilized of the twelve zodiacal characters and are often good looking. They have elegance, charm and good taste, are naturally kind, very gentle, and lovers of beauty, harmony (both in music and social living) and the pleasures that these bring.

I don't suppose that was the least bit helpful, was it? Ah well, best of luck anyway.

ragnfild (ragnfild), Sunday, 27 October 2002 19:39 (twenty-three years ago)

You might also want to think of an example that shows you are good at multitasking

Like right now I am alternating between posting to ILX and entering serials records.

I think Jel's answers are more practical than anything I could come up with.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 28 October 2002 16:11 (twenty-three years ago)

FWIW, a recent NYT article on librarians, books, space considerations and what 'library science' is in general:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/26/arts/26BOOK.html?ex=1036750962&ei=1&en=81e6777b721bf85f

Register to read, etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 October 2002 16:47 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
Reviving this thread because it's 3 years old and someone might have new suggestions.

I've got an interview tomorrow to work as a Bank Staff Library Assistant (Bank Staff meaning they'll phone if they're short staffed and I can choose to work or not as I please.)
I really want this job. Being a librarian is something I've considered all my life, but for some reason I've never applied for. Now I've got the opportunity and it will fit in brilliantly with the other jobs I'm applying for as a Support Worker.
My degree is in English and IT, and most of my jobs have been customer service based, so I think I've got the credentials, but I want to make sure I'm as prepared as possible.

So any hints and tips? Any ideas what I'm likely to be asked at the interview?

celeste (Celeste), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think there's much more I can add to what I said upthread. They'll ask you about working in a team, dealing with difficult customers, what you think a library service is, equal opportunities, your career plans (ie are you prepared to do further post-grad study to become a qualified librarian). The English/IT will be useful, as libraries are more like technology centres these days, and yeah, it's all basically customer service.

Good luck!!!

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with Jel, the IT will be very useful.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

jel otm again! The biggest no-no as far as all the library recruitment agencies are concerned seems to be 'I wuv books'. Most of the job is going to be about people, not books. If you can demonstrate that you're ok with that and not some pale bedroom-dwelling misanthropist bookworm, you'll do good.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Alternately, you can be that kind of person and still succeed. I am living proof. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, you so have people skills, don't lie :)

Actually, when I was a v v junior staff member in a public library I had more to do with books than I have ever since. Mainly because I used to hog all the shelving that was for the 'hidden balcony' area and then go and dawdle up there reading poetry all day like une milquetoast.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, you so have people skills, don't lie :)

I have people skills, yes. But I don't suffer fools gladly, and this is why I am not a reference librarian and regard the prospect with utter horror. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh man, it's Solitaire season at my library now :(

I did today, however, finally come up with a dissertation idea, I hope I can wrangle me some study leave over the summer!

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

It might help to know the inner workings of libraries and some of the recent trends in technology.. Of course it all depends on the size of the library system you're looking at... and most likely, you won't be touching any of the newest technology .. but it's helpful to know about it as conversation to show that you're interested in libraries. Online reference desk seems to be gaining some ground lately. (all the library staff are going to mock me for sounding like a shill.) OK, so I'm a shill: Here's a great resource -> http://www.oclc.org/membership/escan/introduction/default.htm

geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Team work - no problems
Angry customers - I doubt people who visit libraries can be as angry as engineers who haven't got their orders and speak down to the girl on end of the phone assuming she knows nothing about engineering as she's female.
Library services - information centres, books, research and reference places, etc etc.
Equal opportunities - Did I mention the Support Worker job was for people with Learning Disabilities?
Career Plans - If they pay for it I'll jump at the chance.

Only problem I can see is that I do love books, I'll read everything and anything, it's going to be really hard to not find a hidden corner and spend the day reading.

bilblio (Celeste), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

ooh and thanks for the link geyser I'll go and read it now.

bilblio (Celeste), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)


Angry customers - I doubt people who visit libraries can be as angry as engineers who haven't got their orders and speak down to the girl on end of the phone assuming she knows nothing about engineering as she's female.

oh pul-EESE, honey. you obviously have no idea what
you're talking about. you obvioulsy don't know about
the perverts child molestors and criminals who sneak
around in libraries and make things difficult for people
who really want to learn something.

Only problem I can see is that I do love books, I'll read everything and anything, it's going to be really hard to not find a hidden corner and spend the day reading.

blarghhh. try again, dearie.

nell carter, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Shilling for OCLC.

Look, they've finally discovered the OCLC web site!

It's taken them - what? Fifteen or sixteen years!

That also won't help you pass, honey.

nell carter jr, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

you've been very helpful.

geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
So I am going to apply for graduate school in library science soon. I am dreading the "statement of intent" essay thing. I guess I am not entirely sure myself why I want to do this. Anybody have any sort of general advice/ideas as to what I should write about? Anybody know what might have a good chance of working (i.e. getting me in), regardless of veracity? HELP!

camille desmoulins, Monday, 17 October 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

I mentioned Paul Feyerabend in mine and they still let me in. Just keep telling yourself they need you more than you need them, which is probably true.

But okay, if I can put aside my jadedlibrarianness: do you know what the school itself emphasizes? If they are tech-oriented, you could talk about our rapidly changing information environment. Are there any high-profile instrcutors talking about the library as community center? Also, do you know what sub-specialty of librarianship you are interested in? Admissions might be impressed if you seem to have a clear career goal in mind. If you are going into working with the public, you can tell them you love each and every person in the world profoundly and uncondtionally, and you suffer fools enthusiastically.

You could just honestly talk about what you think the value of libraries is or that sort of thing, which is what I did, if I recall correctly.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 17 October 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

What do you plan on going into specifically? I really would recommend doing something else entirely.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 17 October 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

At the very least, stay away from reference work in a public library, unless you like doing adult daycare and generally being expected to make up for every missing social service in your particular area. Maybe this only applies to large cities.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 17 October 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

No, it doesn't. I don't think I could work at a public library ever again.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Monday, 17 October 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

(Don't ever work for thee Fr33 L1br2ry 0f Ph1l(th)@d3lph1@. Ever.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 17 October 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for all the adivce. I am not really sure exactly what I would like to do -- I am torn between general academic librarianship (I met someone online who does this and she really seems to love it) and specializing in archival stuff. The vibe I get is I can figure it out as the program progresses. I am also not sure where I am going -- I am going to roll the dice (i.e. apply to a bunch of schools) and see what turns up. Hopefully it is not snake eyes.

camille desmoulins, Monday, 17 October 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

I am torn between general academic librarianship (I met someone online who does this and she really seems to love it) and specializing in archival stuff.

I am a college/academic librarian and I do really enjoy it, but from what I have heard a lot depends on what university or college you end up working at -- there are some systems with a lot of politics and infighting, something I don't have to deal with.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Monday, 17 October 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

I can only add -- that's for sure. Basically, always expect office politics anyway, but keep an ear out for where it's really bad. There are large institutions where it isn't a real problem, I should note, or at least where the differences between people are less fraught.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 October 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

more more more more, more more.

sandra ulrich, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

It seemed absurdly easy for me to get into library school. I don't know how different the situation is in the US though.

They will likely want to know what it is you've done before that makes you think you want to be an information worker, so be prepared to make some imaginative leaps if you haven't worked in the sector before. You should probably show an understanding of 21st century libraries being about much more than books (maybe include some topical high-tech example?)

In terms of what you plan to do after you qualify, it's unlikely anyone is going to hold you to it later, so if you don't know then just make it up. But do give convincing REASONS for wanting to go into such and such a job/sector.

I didn't really know if I was making the right decision when I started my masters - it was a bit of a desperate leap in the dark to get out of a rut - but I researched enough beforehand to *sound* like I knew what I was doing.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

I am torn between general academic librarianship (I met someone online who does this and she really seems to love it) and specializing in archival stuff

I don't know what it's like in the states, but in the uk these are very different things, unless by archival stuff you mean rare books, rather than archives.

Library and archive management are incredibly different, though they might appear the same to the lay person. The theory behind managing archives is very different to library theory, and in the UK there are seperate schools for archive and records management courses and the two professions are not interchangeable (or shouldn't be anyway, and I'm not just being prejudiced when I say that, honest)

In the UK, if you go into Libraries but then decide you definitely want to become an archivist, then you will probably have to take another course (though you can do correspondence courses now) unless you work in an environment where they have both and they're willing to let you change.

(I don't mean to be snobbish or elitist, but I'm in a bad mood today, so apologies if I come across as being so)

Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

God, I am jealous of you librarian types. If I could live my life over, etc. etc. I don't have anything to add, other than I just think it's a sexy occupation.

Paranoid Spice (kate), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

I know that in the US if you go to Library School many different types of work fall under the umbrella of an MLS, but require extremely different classes. Archival work follows a different path than reference librarianship, and I know the up and coming field of Library Techical Support (databases, platforms, etc) requires passing several programming classes of a CS degree level.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

I don't have anything to add, other than I just think it's a sexy occupation.

it so isn't. And it's full of weirdos. I was that soldier.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

DV is right. I am a weirdo, too.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

it so isn't. And it's full of weirdos.

It really is. I am living proof of that, I guess. But kind of like ilx itself the profession seems to attract a disproportionate amount of the maladjusted.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

Who says that maladjusted weirdoes can't be sexy?

Paranoid Spice (kate), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

Could I be a (v.v.junior) librarian, for a while? I need a low-stress job, when I come back. Would I need library qualifications first?

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

But kind of like ilx itself the profession seems to attract a disproportionate amount of the maladjusted.

Never to be trusted. Er, wait.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

You could be a library assistant, just lie and say you want to be do a library qualification at some future date. You can't be a "librarian" per se, without a masters in information management or equivallent.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

(my last post was to gravel btw) I should add that at junior lowly levels in big academic libraries, all you will be doing is photocopying.

I still haven't done my dissertation, I have an extension 'til January.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

That is helpful, thanks jel.

Would it be photocopying and sitting around, or photocopying all the time? I really like sitting around, I could draw or something.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

I think I would like to work in an academic library. It's not the patrons so much I mind at the public, though I do mind them, oh yes, it's that the, l@br$r@#ns are a bit difficult. I'm not sure I would fit in with them as my co-workers. Is this just a function of living in a stupd place, and perhaps it would be better in a more cosmopolitan locale? Or are the "knowledge workers" more savvy in an academic atmosphere, or...?

not allowed, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

At the risk of Nell Carter showing up again, here's another resource I think may be helpful to library staffians, for news, trends & advice:
http://www.webjunction.org

when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

What do you do in MLS programs, what do they do teach you? (Not to sound catty or anything, it's one of the grad programs I've never understood.) Is it like an MBA program, learning staff/budget management and such, or are there more esoteric fields you can specialize in?

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

In my program, the basics: reference, classification, cataloging, acquisitions. Then the electives depending upon what your focus is: archives, computers, museums, schools, etc. Management is (at my school) just one class among many that is offered, and it is not a required course, though it might come into play in other courses, for example the course on the university library.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

Gravel: In my experience, there is a fair bit of sitting around from time to time. And you can always take your time over shelving.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)


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