honestly, i feel that this show was amazingly thought out and structured, to the point where i think the early episodes purposefully cast all these people as the cardboard cutout stereotypes you're prepared to hate watch then slowly unfurls so much emotional and psychological depth.
Such a great observation, that is an excellent way of putting it. I watched it over 5 days, and as I watched the last couple episodes I thought about how much my perception of Reese's character especially had changed.
i think it's the only time i ever felt like a therapy session in a show or movie felt really authentic to me.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 05:51 (two years ago) link
― Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:20 (two years ago) link
amazed this thread isn't all about the insane wig that nicole kidman wears in every scene.
― plax (ico), Thursday, 25 January 2018 07:28 (two years ago) link
So I just finished binge watching this and yeah it was pretty great. Not thrilled by the idea of a second season though as it was so satisfying as a whole, and because the director of S1 won't be helming it this time. But I guess the final shot of someone watching the women on the beach through binoculars was intended to set the scene for the second season (sorry for alliteration), even though they can't have known S2 was in the bag when they included that shot.
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 2 February 2018 10:10 (two years ago) link
oh wait, that Vulture article explains that it was the policewoman watching them right at the end, because she suspects something's not quite right. I hadn't caught that.
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 2 February 2018 10:19 (two years ago) link
I hope the second season isn't about them being re-trialled for what happened in the first. That way lies Broadchurch madness.
Also I don't know why but my head has confused elements of Big Little Lies and Logan Lucky. I guess they both have open-endings with strangely prescient detectives going "hmmmmmm..."
I loved this but is it too late to talk about how bad the high school internet sex plot was
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 2 February 2018 10:24 (two years ago) link
i loved this too but i am starting to be tire of the thrilling, televised escapades of the extremely rich (cf McMafia)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 2 February 2018 10:40 (two years ago) link
oh man that show is really bad compared to BLL
personally i dug the luxury porn and felt like the characters had some resemblance to people i knew, in spirit if not in wealth
also i used to live near monterey so it's beautiful nostalgia (although i guess mostly filmed in southern california?)
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 2 February 2018 11:01 (two years ago) link
i'm perpetually behind the times but i just watched all of this over the last few days. nicole kidman is just fantastic. i cried my guts out. the therapy scenes (especially the first session in episode 3) were so good that i said "this is some of the best television i have ever seen" out loud as i was watching it. i too am getting sick of extremely wealthy families and neighborhoods being the setting for so many creative works, and i'll spare everyone reading this my trite feelings on that because they've already been expressed upthread and it's a problem that many shows have, not just this one.
episode 3, though. that one just blew my mind. and somehow in the midst of all that wrenching turmoil rising to the surface, it was the "dreams" sequence in the van that tore me up more than anything. what a wonderful show.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:25 (two years ago) link
wow people really love this show. i thought it was just all right! potentially i just really dislike the director
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:27 (two years ago) link
also, when laura dern is one of the leads and she's not the first person you think of in terms of standout performances (and she was so good! god, that part where she throws the phone in the pool and then raises her hand up to signal to her partner that she's ok...she can do no wrong), you know you are in the presence of a ridiculously good ensemble
― Karl Malone, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:28 (two years ago) link
the therapy scenes (especially the first session in episode 3) were so good that i said "this is some of the best television i have ever seen" out loud as i was watching it
otm this scene was absolutely extraordinary
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:29 (two years ago) link
i may be a total weirdo but if the entire show was just 7 hours straight of those therapy scenes i'd still be happy. i'm not sure if anyone's mentioned how good the therapist is but she goes toe-to-toe with kidman, which is saying a hell of a lot.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:33 (two years ago) link
I think the fact that this wasn't all just about rich people problems helped alleviate a lot of the issues I might've otherwise had with the setting. It's mostly a very human story that could've been dropped into a different setting without losing a whole lot.
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:40 (two years ago) link
i'll stop serially posting, but it's interesting that those counseling scenes weren't in the book the show is based off of - http://www.vulture.com/2017/03/big-little-lies-robin-weigert-therapy.html
― Karl Malone, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:41 (two years ago) link
Oh, that's so strange. But, yes, Robin Weigart is truly great (as anyone who's seen Deadwood can attest).
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:43 (two years ago) link
yeah the actress that played the therapist was fantastic. just saw her in a sorta shitty movie last week in a very small role
― flappy bird, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:53 (two years ago) link
i may be a total weirdo but if the entire show was just 7 hours straight of those therapy scenes i'd still be happy
did you ever watch In Treatment?
― rob, Monday, 5 February 2018 19:29 (two years ago) link
In Treatment was so fucking creepy and not in a good way.
― Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Thursday, 8 February 2018 14:11 (two years ago) link
my mom loved that show but i could never imagine watching it, i get enough out of my own therapy
― flappy bird, Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:46 (two years ago) link
yeah I only watched the first season and it was years ago...I had actually forgotten about the plot which I think you're referring to as creepy.It's too bad though, as BLL shows, it's an interesting dramatic situation that so often rings totally false when I see it dramatized.
― rob, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:25 (two years ago) link
Dr Melfi obviously the prime example of how it should be done.
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:03 (two years ago) link
A friend I wouldn't expect to said he watched this, so I picked up a bootleg on the weekend. Of course the thing that caught my attention in the first episode was Babe Ruth. I'd never heard Babe Ruth in my life, but as the tiny image of the album cover flashed by on the daughter's cell phone, I did a double-take--"Is that actually what I think it is?" (I was familiar with the album cover)--and backed up. At which point I guessed correctly that that was also what I was hearing. Bizarre. A little far-fetched, maybe, but interesting.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 22:34 (two years ago) link
Couple of episodes to go--fascinating, especially (what else) the music. I just read the second season will be directed by Andrea Arnold...excellent. And Meryl Streep will be added...not sure what to say there--could be good.
― clemenza, Sunday, 1 April 2018 23:31 (two years ago) link
So, season 2...?
― lefal junglist platton (wtev), Saturday, 15 June 2019 16:32 (one year ago) link
First ep was fine, pretty much in line with what came before. Streep bringin' some quality pass agg into the mix.
― Morrie Antoilette (Old Lunch), Saturday, 15 June 2019 19:32 (one year ago) link
I enjoyed the first one a lot - cast were amazing - but I sort of file it with bloodline, stranger things, that recent one that was a bit like this and had a title almost as bad as big little lies: decent shows that really, intensely do not need a sequel. I sort of feel like if tv really is where it’s meant to be at we can be as sceptical of these things having second series as we would be of like phantom thread 2 or 2nd reformed
― shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Saturday, 15 June 2019 19:46 (one year ago) link
hard agreekilling eve kinda in this category for me too, can't believe how little i care about watching it after having loved S1
― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 15 June 2019 20:01 (one year ago) link
2nd reformed lol
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Saturday, 15 June 2019 20:32 (one year ago) link
Sequel title jokes are the lamest played-out shit and anyone who makes or enjoys them should be ashamed except when I do it: boogaloo’s gold
― shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Saturday, 15 June 2019 20:39 (one year ago) link
I don't mind the continuation of these types of shows if there's some intention informing the decision, either a long game arc planned out in advance or some specific idea of why there should be another season beyond 'because that's what's expected'. I think shows like this (ie those which are more focused on character/relationship development than on weaving some intricate, high-concept plot) can more easily get away with perpetuation sans some lofty notion of where things are heading. In this case, I'd personally be more concerned about their reach ultimately exceeding their grasp (see: the evolution of Big Love from small-scale character piece to showcase for bugfuck psycho cult shenanigans).
― Morrie Antoilette (Old Lunch), Saturday, 15 June 2019 21:19 (one year ago) link
The show I was trying to think of was dead to me, which isn’t as bad a title as big little lies obv but still seems pretty determined to communicate “you can skip this”They all work so well as self-contained stories and the follow-ups come so soon after that it doesn’t feel as if any thought has gone into whether they should continue it, never mind how they can. Getting back on topic the only interesting avenue for further exploration in BLL I can think of is Adam Scott being kind of a creep, felt like that might be going somewhere, but even there I think the suggestion was enough
― shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Saturday, 15 June 2019 22:11 (one year ago) link
I'm pretending the second season of Killing Eve doesn't exist, but I'm enjoying BLL season 2 so far. Streep vs. Witherspoon is fucking hilarious.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 15 June 2019 23:26 (one year ago) link
― lefal junglist platton (wtev), Sunday, 16 June 2019 20:35 (one year ago) link
Re BLL on the other hand, bring it on. Unperson otm
― lefal junglist platton (wtev), Sunday, 16 June 2019 20:37 (one year ago) link
I was dubious, mainly because the first season was based on a novel, and I wasn't sure how they'd extend this beyond the novel; of course HBO did exactly that with the Leftovers and it arguably improved upon itself season over season (at least in my opinion). But so far I think there's enough there to keep exploring. Not sure it would need to go beyond this one, but the aftermath of those events is worth looking at. Also Adam Scott's character shaping up to be one of the only non creeps on the show.
― akm, Monday, 17 June 2019 13:44 (one year ago) link
I was so goddamned mad at their little daughter!
― akm, Monday, 17 June 2019 13:45 (one year ago) link
Wow. Lotta explosions this week, and it's only episode 2.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 17 June 2019 13:54 (one year ago) link
Yeah, I have no problem with the way they're continuing the story, particularly since Kelley & co. clearly have no intention to softpedal the potential ramifications of what came before.
― Morrie Antoilette (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 June 2019 23:48 (one year ago) link
I have really liked it so far
― Dan S, Monday, 17 June 2019 23:59 (one year ago) link
Ugh this season is kind of Broadchurching and the dialogue isn’t just too on the nose, it’s *only* on the nose, even the nice therapist is behaving weirdly
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 21:38 (one year ago) link
Careful, now. 'Broadchuching' is quite a strong pejorative, to be used in only the most egregious instances of contempt for an audience.I think they're doing a fine job of continuing the narrative. And this might be the role Streep was born to play (inasmuch as her performances rarely elicit much interest for me while this show has me all OMG SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU LADY every time she's onscreen and talking).
― Sly Bradbury's The Marion Cobretti-cles (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 21:55 (one year ago) link
It’s Broadchurching in the sense that it’s boringly re-litigating the first season’s narrative, when I’d rather watch the same set of characters in some Wacky New Adventure. And the dialogue... everyone’s lost their mystery and talks too much.
Streep is great but her WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU-ness is bending the other characters out of wack. Hard to believe Kidman or Woodley would be so sanguine about herder so long.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 23:15 (one year ago) link
ok, 'm supposed to believe that a schoolteacher is teaching Scott's Marmion to seven-year-olds.
― Shite New Answers (jed_), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 00:06 (one year ago) link
Also, the writers in this have never attended a therapy session because that's not how therapists do their job. They mostly don't say anything.
― Shite New Answers (jed_), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 00:10 (one year ago) link
I’ve had very chatty therapists. But the bluntness is very offTM.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 00:36 (one year ago) link
Streep's character is so fucking awful I hope this ends with them throwing her down the stairs
the scene with Dern and the principal this past week was *maybe* the best scene of either series.
― akm, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 13:09 (one year ago) link
Dern in the hospital was great, too. I appreciate that one of the greatest actresses alive is willing to play second fiddle on this show, but I'm definitely glad she's getting more to do this season.
― Sly Bradbury's The Marion Cobretti-cles (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 13:15 (one year ago) link
ah, now this season makes sense
'Big Little Lies’ Season 2 Turmoil: Inside Andrea Arnold’s Loss of Creative ControlHBO and David E. Kelley took the show away from Arnold, as executive producer Jean-Mac Vallée tried to return it to his S1 style.
HBO and David E. Kelley took the show away from Arnold, as executive producer Jean-Mac Vallée tried to return it to his S1 style.
― Number None, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:37 (eleven months ago) link