Disney films post Beauty & The Beast: Search/Destroy

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Inspired by seeing Lilo & Stitch and by not finding it to be the best Disney film ever.

Search (beginning with most searchable): Hercules, Mulan, Emperor's New Groove, Hunchback

Destroy: Tarzan

Undecided: Aladdin

Alright: Lilo & Stitch

I think that's all I've seen.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 27 October 2002 23:38 (twenty-three years ago)

You've not seen The Lion King? A rare feat!

I've seen a slew and most have successful moments that don't translate into brilliant films through and through. I gave up with whatever the one before Tarzan and haven't seen any of the new ones since.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 October 2002 23:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I hated Hercules. I like Aladdin and Mulan well enough, and I'm not crazy about The Lion King, but I haven't seen the rest of 'em, because I hated Hercules so much that I wouldn't see any of the others.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 27 October 2002 23:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: "Aladdin", "The Lion King"

Destroy: "The Hunchback Of Notre Dame" and godamn fucking "Pocahontas" (I feel sorry for that racoon, he didn't deserve to be put in crappy movie like that one. Racoons rule.)

― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 28 October 2002 00:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Aladdin, Mulan

Destroy: The Lion King (but KEEP the musical, it's pretty), Pocahontas, Hunchback of Notre Dame, and do a LOT more than destroy Emperor's New Groove. Torture it until it falls into little unrecognizable pieces, then burn them.

― Maria (Maria), Monday, 28 October 2002 01:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Atlantis. Mike Mignola as art director, no musical interuldes, what's not to love?

― Leee (Leee), Monday, 28 October 2002 05:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Everybody tells me 'Emperor's New Groove' is standout and brilliant. So why is it so remarkable, or..... why should it be tortured until it falls into little unrecognizable pieces and burned?

― Honda, Monday, 28 October 2002 05:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't like any of them, with the possible exception of Buzz Lightyear.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 28 October 2002 09:33 (twenty-three years ago)

This really should be Disney film from The Little Mermaid - which was when they changed management and resorted (at least partially) to relatively straight retellings of classic tales (and for at least Mermaid, Beast and Aladdin some pretty good tunes too).

The searches are generally the fairy tales, the "sensitive attempt to retell national folk tales to help break into a new market" - a la Mulan are less successful.

Lilo & Stitch was a bit Oliver & Co for my liking - certainly about the only one ion the last ten years though that had better songs than animation.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 28 October 2002 10:28 (twenty-three years ago)

No musical interludes as a good thing, Leee? Probably fair comment (I've not seen any of these films) but I remember the good old days (I am middle aged now, it's in the contract that I have to say things like that) when they were the highlights, as with Phil Harris a few times, and particularly Louis Prima singing I Wanna Be Like You.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: "Aladdin", "Mulan", "The Emperor's New Groove" (yay Patrick Wharburton!), the sexually-suggestive scenes in "The Lion King"

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Emperor's New Groove needs to be forever destroyed because every character in it is just so horrible. i really cannot describe how much i hated every one of them. and also it is not sweet and pretty like disney movies are supposed to be, it's all "look at me hahaha i'm sooo funny and weird hahahahaha oh yeah i can stick in a moral at the end."

― Maria (Maria), Monday, 28 October 2002 20:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Though the musical number is the Jungle Book were great, the difference between Louis Prima and Celine Dion is surely large enough to explain why no musicals=good thing.

DV: are your films rated by historical accuracy?

A big complaint about the New Golden Age is that they made one great film (Beauty & The Beast) then remade it six or seven times.
Which is not really the fault of the people who made the first film (and since then, only Hunchback and Atlantis).

One of the reasons to love New Groove is that it started out as Kingdom Of The Sun, Another Damn Disney film, now in Peru, with a love story and six or seven Sting songs, and some of the people actually making it asked of they could make a good film this time, and were told yes. RoXoR!

It also has a lead character who's incredibly annoying, and thus played to perfection by David Spade. This could be seen to be a problem

I should actually watch Beauty and The Beast before declaring Lilo & Stitch the best Disney film in 20 years, but I doubt it's going to change my impressions much. Number of jokes about maggots eating brains = zero, I imagine.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 28 October 2002 21:19 (twenty-three years ago)

The no-musicals thing also suggests that the producers are directing the film to a more mature audience. Atlantis being my example because I adore it, it has no animal sidekicks either (unless you consider Milo to be his own goofy sidekick), AND rated PG. Thus, it's not nearly as cloying and moralistically didactic as some other Disney fare. ANd to pump Atlantis up even more, the revelation of the lost city itself once we see it is absolutely remarkable and spellbinding in its creativeness. And the floating masks scene is pitchperfect climax to the ephemeral tone in Atlantis that led up to it.

― Leee (Leee), Monday, 28 October 2002 22:01 (twenty-three years ago)

nerrr. songs are part of the whole Disney film experience. that's whats' so great about Hercules - the songs are really enjoyable. As indeed is everything about that film. Admittedly I was in a rather, er, positive frame of mind when I saw it, but even so I believe it to be genuinely funny and full of G*R*A*T*E Disney stuff.

Emperors' New Groove works really well, and I'm amazed anyone can hate it.

Mulan - I saw this on a car ferry with a load of kids, and had previously absorbed the idea that it was kind of rub... but it's actually top fun. The zombie scene is a particular favourite.

The great thing about the Hunchback is the way it is a Disney film but has a villain whose main motivation is sexual frustration boiling over into perversion. Nice. However, it does suffer from not really being a children's film.

Lilo & Stitch - While not disliking this film I find it hard to see why anyone would think it better than any of the above named films. What am I missing about it?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 28 October 2002 23:31 (twenty-three years ago)

The thing that totally redeems Hercules from being somewhat mediocre: the excellent heroine and the scene in which she accidentally walks backward into the statue of Cupid aiming his arrow.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 28 October 2002 23:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Atlantis is the only film I have ever seen where I began forgetting the film while I was watching it.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 09:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Lilo & Stitch - What am I missing about it?

It's a picture of a broken family, in a Disney Film => classic.

Not a carefree, Peter Pan & The Lost Boys broken family, but an actual "We're fucked, all we have is each other". It presents Lilo's imagination as something to be protected, not to be protected from. It also has a lot of slapstick and looney-tunes comedy. And Elvis. And I found it genuinely moving without "Cry Now" signs. Though I am a big girl's blouse.

I realise that there is a line that Disney Films are not Looney Tunes, but this is just revisionism of the most vicious form. Though there's a clear line of Classics Done Right (Snow White, Sleeping Beauty etc) that the recent films fit in, there are also films like Dumbo. So for reasons outside the film, I thought it was good that this was different.

Allegedly Pacha's pregnant wife in New Grrove is the first pregnant woman in a Disney Film ever.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 12:02 (twenty-three years ago)

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