Black Panther (2018), dir Ryan Coogler

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Apparently no separate thread for this one yet. So, poster:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB4dYS1WsAIN7ro.jpg:large

First teaser broadcasts tonight during the NBA finals.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 June 2017 13:41 (one year ago) Permalink

(And if the image didn't show up for any reason:

Witness the legend. The new poster for @MarvelStudios' #BlackPanther is here. Watch Game 4 tonight for the premiere of the teaser trailer. pic.twitter.com/Pzj9LqIJ6x

— Disney (@Disney) June 9, 2017

Yay, etc.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 June 2017 13:42 (one year ago) Permalink

that is one fugly poster

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 9 June 2017 13:43 (one year ago) Permalink

dammit thought this was gonna be a Donald Nielson biopic

There's got to be a Corbyn after (Noodle Vague), Friday, 9 June 2017 13:44 (one year ago) Permalink

really looking forward to this

alcohol aficionado zane lamprey (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 June 2017 13:45 (one year ago) Permalink

this stands the best chance of being the first not-boring Marvel movie

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 9 June 2017 13:46 (one year ago) Permalink

I hope not, as Marvel movies are the only proven palliative for my insomnia. Because they're so boring, do u see.

Sir Isaac Gluten (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 June 2017 14:08 (one year ago) Permalink

movie posters are so bad now

mh, Friday, 9 June 2017 14:33 (one year ago) Permalink

photoshop must be real hard because no-one who makes movie posters seems to be able to use it well

alcohol aficionado zane lamprey (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 June 2017 14:35 (one year ago) Permalink

"set phasers on 'smoulder'"

PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Friday, 9 June 2017 14:37 (one year ago) Permalink

Sometimes, when I think back to my youthful vehement opposition toward the notion of graphic design becoming a licensed professional organization, I understand how people become conservatives.

Sir Isaac Gluten (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 June 2017 14:39 (one year ago) Permalink

I have high hopes for this movie. Every coworker I've talked to about Black Panther's first appearance in the Captain America movie agreed that he was the best character in that one -- it helped he was the only one who got a real plot arc

mh, Friday, 9 June 2017 14:40 (one year ago) Permalink

Wow...didn't notice that till now pic.twitter.com/7O976veAZf

— Black Girl Nerds (@BlackGirlNerds) June 9, 2017

ran across this on Twitter and now regret my joke

PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Friday, 9 June 2017 16:49 (one year ago) Permalink

It can be both

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 June 2017 16:53 (one year ago) Permalink

god when is this going to end

Οὖτις, Friday, 9 June 2017 16:58 (one year ago) Permalink

When you stop complaining about it, so, never.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 June 2017 16:59 (one year ago) Permalink

haha

Οὖτις, Friday, 9 June 2017 17:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Is there a photoshop setting that will fix man-spreading?

rb (soda), Friday, 9 June 2017 17:04 (one year ago) Permalink

The avatar makes me read that Disney tweet in Mickey's voice.

dinnerboat, Friday, 9 June 2017 18:37 (one year ago) Permalink

Okay, we are live...

HERO. LEGEND. KING. Watch the teaser trailer now. #BlackPanther pic.twitter.com/2d0lGExv81

— Black Panther (@theblackpanther) June 10, 2017

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 10 June 2017 01:40 (one year ago) Permalink

well that looks good

akm, Saturday, 10 June 2017 02:05 (one year ago) Permalink

Caught a glimpse of Ramonda and Everett Ross. Looks like a mashup of Priest and Coates runs.

rb (soda), Saturday, 10 June 2017 02:14 (one year ago) Permalink

Good use of Run The Jewels for trailer music

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Saturday, 10 June 2017 02:39 (one year ago) Permalink

Scene by scene breakdown, should you want one

http://www.vulture.com/2017/06/what-we-learned-from-marvels-first-black-panther-trailer.html

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 10 June 2017 16:57 (one year ago) Permalink

Could this be the first Hollywood movie to include the word "tricknology" in dialogue?

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 10 June 2017 17:16 (one year ago) Permalink

Seriously who writes like that? People who get paid for it, I guess.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 10 June 2017 17:23 (one year ago) Permalink

Referring to the vulture thing Ned linked.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 10 June 2017 17:34 (one year ago) Permalink

That poster image could too easily double for the film's inevitable gay porn parody.

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Saturday, 10 June 2017 22:19 (one year ago) Permalink

It's a Hewi Newton reference

http://behindthescenes.nyhistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/2.31-Stapp_Huey_JJ_60D_02312.jpg

akm, Sunday, 11 June 2017 00:25 (one year ago) Permalink

oh someone already pointed that out

akm, Sunday, 11 June 2017 00:25 (one year ago) Permalink

shakey why do you hate-read these threads? you're turning into morbius

akm, Sunday, 11 June 2017 00:26 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Lots of photos and things and stuff these last couple of days, etc. etc.

http://ew.com/movies/black-panther-marvel-portraits/black-panther/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 July 2017 13:30 (one year ago) Permalink

I feel like this one is going to be light on jokes.

I'm still bothered by the bit in the trailer where he takes off in his cool hoverplane but there is absolutely no sign of downforce on the water beneath. YOU CANT HEAR ECKTHPLOZUNS IN SPAAAACE

El Tomboto, Friday, 14 July 2017 14:10 (one year ago) Permalink

Wakandan tech can overcome Newtonian physics duh

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Friday, 14 July 2017 14:12 (one year ago) Permalink

these movies could stand to have a few fewer jokes anyway

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 14 July 2017 14:13 (one year ago) Permalink

or better jokes

mh, Friday, 14 July 2017 14:14 (one year ago) Permalink

And have a new poster.

Check out the new @theblackpanther San Diego Comic-Con poster that just debuted in Hall H! #BlackPanther pic.twitter.com/pxEGB5b7bV

— Marvel Entertainment (@Marvel) July 23, 2017

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 23 July 2017 03:47 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

New poster...

Bringing a brand new #BlackPanther poster to you 1st! We hit theaters Feb 16, but you can check out the new trailer from @marvelstudios NOW. pic.twitter.com/KFbA9A9cG8

— Chadwick Boseman (@chadwickboseman) October 16, 2017

And new trailer.

Long live the king. Watch the new trailer for Marvel Studios' #BlackPanther. In theaters February 16! pic.twitter.com/fs1UKzjiqN

— Black Panther (@theblackpanther) October 16, 2017

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 October 2017 13:24 (one year ago) Permalink

shut up and take my money

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Monday, 16 October 2017 13:54 (one year ago) Permalink

^^^
Yep

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 16 October 2017 14:20 (one year ago) Permalink

gil scott heron! too much!

cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 16 October 2017 14:29 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm team Killmonger now

mh, Monday, 16 October 2017 14:30 (one year ago) Permalink

I am Team Killmonger's Barber

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Monday, 16 October 2017 14:31 (one year ago) Permalink

understandable

mh, Monday, 16 October 2017 14:32 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I'm finally watching Get On Up and it's not as if I didn't love Boseman already but omg I cannot wait for this movie

El Tomboto, Sunday, 5 November 2017 01:32 (one year ago) Permalink

also, I am now disappointed that there wasn't a deleted scene from the battle royale in Civil War where T'Challa pauses and think to himself "Dammit, I'm in the middle of a honky hoedown"

El Tomboto, Sunday, 5 November 2017 01:36 (one year ago) Permalink

trying not to get too hype for this after being mildly let down by ragnarok but it’s not working tbh

wow. that was truly the minecraft of sex. (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 13 November 2017 18:31 (one year ago) Permalink

XP justifies those Hobbit movies imo

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 18:32 (one year ago) Permalink

it's banned in the contiguous united states iirc, gotta get yrself to alaska and/or hawaii to see it

star wars ep viii: the bay of porgs (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 5 April 2018 14:49 (ten months ago) Permalink

Will Moviepass cover plane tickets?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 April 2018 15:03 (ten months ago) Permalink

i dunno dude, i think you’ll need to contact their customer service desk

star wars ep viii: the bay of porgs (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 5 April 2018 15:15 (ten months ago) Permalink

this is gold guys

scotti pruitti (wins), Thursday, 5 April 2018 15:35 (ten months ago) Permalink

honestly feeling so attacked rn

star wars ep viii: the bay of porgs (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 5 April 2018 15:36 (ten months ago) Permalink

Here we go...

https://io9.gizmodo.com/black-panther-is-coming-home-in-may-complete-with-dele-1825147215

Director’s Intro
From Page to Screen: A Roundtable Discussion - Delve into the film’s making
Crowning of a New King – Explore the world of Black Panther in all its color and complexity
The Warriors Within – Get to know Wakanda’s women and the actors who portray them
The Hidden Kingdom Revealed – Wakanda’s diverse people
Wakanda Revealed: Exploring the Technology
Gag Reel
Exclusive Sneak Peek at Ant-Man and The Wasp
Marvel Studios the First Ten Years: Connecting the Universe
Director’s Commentary

Then the deleted scenes:

U.N. Meet and Greet
Okoye And W’Kabi Discuss the Future of Wakanda
T’Challa Remembers His Father
Voices from the Past

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 21:48 (ten months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

so this has topped the most recent Star Wars for worldwide box office

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 5 May 2018 22:56 (nine months ago) Permalink

seeing that news prompted me to finally watch this. 30 mins in and im already loving it. so many questions already, so many different ways you can look at this, all the conflicting motivations, etc. visually it is super stunning with lots of things that it feels like i have never seen before. love that the conflict of isolationism y/n of Wakanda is one of the film's central themes. also that first scene in the museum was brilliant.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 5 May 2018 23:34 (nine months ago) Permalink

not that yr takes aren't predictably wrong/awful but lets hold of on judgement until youve seen the entire mess

thought the cgi was notably awful in this btw

.b derf (darraghmac), Saturday, 5 May 2018 23:38 (nine months ago) Permalink

spoilers for adam ahead --

as undercooked as the climax of this is (viz vagueness of the "threat" actually driving the action) at this point the only thing that really bugs me about it is how everything hinges on BP giving his friends and government the vaguest possible description of what happened with klaw in Busan. iirc it's just like "he got away" which is almost at the level of the pronouncements made by the doctor on arrested development. he really doesn't think it's worth informing anybody that klaw has a wakandan collaborator? this is a crucial new clue and something everybody needs to be on the lookout for. at the very least you'd think he'd want to exonerate himself a little. it's a small line but it's really forced plotting.

noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 6 May 2018 00:02 (nine months ago) Permalink

Did they know Killmonger was Wakandan at that point? I thought everyone was laboring under the assumption that he was African American.

808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Sunday, 6 May 2018 00:07 (nine months ago) Permalink

didn't he show off the tattoo? i mean I'd still let them know anyway. it's valuable klaw intelligence.

movie was p cool anyway tho, I had a post about this but I lost it. maybe later.

noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 6 May 2018 01:19 (nine months ago) Permalink

man that was amazing. i almost teared up at 2 or 3 spots. Killmonger indeed one of the most sympathetic villains ever. for months i have been hearing arguments about who is the real villain and who is the real hero. personally i liked both of them and thought the film did a good job of letting the viewer decide.

i like the symmetry of the challenge, having them first fight without BP power and then at the end both of them have BP power when they fight again. i thought the concept of the challenge was good because the king's authority wasn't derived from a magical plant.

fwiw i was not bothered by the CGI at all. i loved the blacklight world stuff. i loved the gadgets too, it was almost like a James Bond at points. it is a really well-written movie that just flew by! there was a lot of drama but also some good comedic moments to lighten it up. great film, easily one of the best comic films.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 May 2018 01:21 (nine months ago) Permalink

(viz vagueness of the "threat" actually driving the action)

yeah the movie maybe could have had some establishing shots of warlords around the world getting ready for weapons shipments or something but then again that would have put more importance on Martin Freeman's heroic turn when the movie really isn't about him. tbh i was afraid the ending would have them handing over tech to the CIA (tho i guess that is still a plot thread, it would have been a massively bummer ending)

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 May 2018 01:25 (nine months ago) Permalink

so this has topped the most recent Star Wars for worldwide box office

seeing that news prompted me to finally watch this

game over

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 6 May 2018 01:27 (nine months ago) Permalink

Imagining that in Denzel Virtuosity voice

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 6 May 2018 01:44 (nine months ago) Permalink

Rewatched it last night & still love it

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 May 2018 01:59 (nine months ago) Permalink

Yeah this, Ragnarok and Infinity Wars ( and Himecoming) have been a wonderful streak of totally entertaining, supreme comic book films that actually feel like the comics. Just when I was getting bored...

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 6 May 2018 03:11 (nine months ago) Permalink

the things i like the most are the things I like abt Coogler in general
- the story’s heart is sons & fathers
- there’s depth & humanity in the characters, you see backstory in the most subtle interactions
- the humor that pops up in the most unexpected & delightful places

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 May 2018 03:35 (nine months ago) Permalink

Shuri is a very necessary addition to the MCU if for no other reason than somebody has to be female, a genius, AND be able to make jokes. This became very apparent to me after Infinity War.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 6 May 2018 04:02 (nine months ago) Permalink

In that vein, I am suddenly hoping very hard for a Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur movie. When a tree and a raccoon rabbit become megastars, no weird idea is outside the realm of possibility.

Love Theme From Oh God! You Devil (Old Lunch), Sunday, 6 May 2018 04:18 (nine months ago) Permalink

WHAT ARE THOOOOOOSE still makes me lol so hard

and when Shuri puts her hand up like she wants to battle him but is actually just complaining that her corset is too tight & can we plz go now <3

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 May 2018 04:19 (nine months ago) Permalink

looking forward to Coogler's commentary on the movie

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 May 2018 04:20 (nine months ago) Permalink

RABBIT! is somehow my favorite bit from A:IW

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 6 May 2018 04:21 (nine months ago) Permalink

And the best part about it is that, while Rocket gets snappish towards pretty much everyone who comments on or speculates about his specieshood, he totally just rolls with Thor calling him a rabbit.

Love Theme From Oh God! You Devil (Old Lunch), Sunday, 6 May 2018 04:24 (nine months ago) Permalink

Wrong thread but whatevs. All these peeps are at last joined together.

Love Theme From Oh God! You Devil (Old Lunch), Sunday, 6 May 2018 04:25 (nine months ago) Permalink

WHAT ARE THOOOOOOSE still makes me lol so hard

yes i laughed out loud at this! also "I call them sneakers".

Shuri was VIP at the jokes wo taking you completely out of it or detracting from the heavy moments. in fact it felt more like a regular/non-superhero person would react, which kind of made it all the more real. here's hoping she is in many Marvel films to come.

also i enjoyed the visual gag of the car disintegrating around Nakia and having her clutching the steering wheel like in an old cartoon. in a way it felt like a comedic pay-off to the awesome spectacle of the vibranium spear stopping that SUV like it had hit a brick wall.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 May 2018 13:59 (nine months ago) Permalink

so yeah i dug this movie! a $200 million popcorn flick with a nearly all-black cast, who get to play interesting and complex characters, where "colonizer" is said multiple times, where in the first five minutes a black leader in oakland points out (if you want to hear it) that the real-life black panthers were marginalized and murdered by the state, where the whole thing is devoted to a fantastic what-if of an uncolonized africa... ok sure martin freeman's character is terrible and the space given to a meddling CIA spook shooting down black revolutionaries (!) should have been given over to making killmonger's plan (and bp's objection to it) just slightly clearer, or doing some street-level wakandan world-building (the palace drama setting kinda makes the place feel unreal, undercutting the protect-our-way-of-life stuff).... but whatever!!! all the action scenes were actually interesting and exciting and you didn't know how they would end, the design work was awesome, the supporting cast was awesome, the jokes were actually funny and built the characters, michael b killllllllled it from that museum scene on, and even miniboss serkis as neocolonial resource extractor was miles more interesting than the main baddies of most of these films. though i do wish he had gotten turned into living sound and started rhyming brainlessly at killmonger like he does with doctor doom in secret wars, oh well. having him be a wannabe rapper was a nice way of alluding to that while also cementing his rep as cultural appropriator.

also there was just something about seeing a big movie that felt like a real event, bigger than star wars in terms of the general public giving a shit about it. the lines going into every screening of this were NUTS in nyc. i got a little teary thinking about little kids who have not one but like five new awesome black characters to identify with, have toys of, daydream about. and to know that those characters are actually super popular with the public as a whole and not some underbudgeted side thing. how great is that? and it's an actual conversation starter. even if you ultimately kind of think killmonger is right and that BP's little community outreach program seems reeeeeal weak, you get to argue about that afterwards! the movie is about actual things, it has unresolved questions on its mind beyond whether the heroes will believe in themselves and stop somebody with a big blue laser that's going to turn everybody into panthers or whatever. whatever its flaws, that alone puts most of this genre to shame.

noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 6 May 2018 16:17 (nine months ago) Permalink

^^^I'm doing this because we're not on FB and thus I can't heart your post, DC.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 6 May 2018 16:40 (nine months ago) Permalink

five months pass...

I finally saw this on Netflix and am wondering if perhaps all the supposedly good parts were edited out? Killmonger had like 10 lines in the movie.

President Keyes, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:38 (three months ago) Permalink

But every one of them formed a band.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:15 (three months ago) Permalink

it played really differently on the big screen in a way that i can't define. some of killmonger's best stuff, like the museum scene, felt suddenly like low-budget marvel TV watching on a computer monitor.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:15 (three months ago) Permalink

Yeah just watched it too. It’s ok but I don’t understand all the hype about it.
M. B. Jordan was pretty cool though (and the Shuri character/actress is fresh).

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:29 (three months ago) Permalink

get yr eyes checked maybe idk

:D

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 19:47 (three months ago) Permalink

you are all otm except that no it was not any better on the big screen in fact much of it looked like shite tbh

lie back and think of englund (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 19:49 (three months ago) Permalink

fp

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 19:50 (three months ago) Permalink

😎 worth it

lie back and think of englund (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 19:53 (three months ago) Permalink

you are dead to me on so many levels <3

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 19:56 (three months ago) Permalink

aw that is a vmic assassination

lie back and think of englund (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 19:57 (three months ago) Permalink

:D

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 20:29 (three months ago) Permalink

This will be the first best picture nominee I haven't watched since the wild horses couldn't drag me to Finding Neverland.

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 20:31 (three months ago) Permalink

this was a lot better than finding neverland

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 20:36 (three months ago) Permalink

I think one of my issues with BP is that I don't really like the main character.
I find him kinda annoying.
And M.B. Jordan was about 10 times more charismatic (and even likeable) than him !
Also, another nice thing compared to many other Marvel movies is that the main fight/battle wasn't a total mess with too many heroes and whatever space invaders.
I was almost "minimalist" !
The Avengers movies are too exhausting for me on that aspect.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 25 October 2018 08:24 (three months ago) Permalink

It was almost "minimalist"

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 25 October 2018 08:25 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

i'm surprised people are talking about this as a best picture contender, can only assume they will come to their senses in a year or five or just forget anyone ever said anything of the kind.

relative to the mythical aspects of MCU, or any superhero comic book, storytelling, it seemed really over-rationalized, presumably the effects of an effort to render its materials intelligible to as large a low-information audience as possible ($$$$$). that would not make it stand out among recent MCU movies, it's what makes them so long and safe. but here i think it hurts a bit more because rather than being an origin story turn for a superhero character (they being nothing if not viciously archetypal, always linked to the premises of their originating constellation of ideas: relationships to parents, source of power, iconic abilities, etc.), this is set up as an origin story for wakanda itself. in a typical origin story the result would be 'now this superhero's story begins' (naturally, bound to repeat and need rebooting and continuity editing). but the result of this story is that wakanda enters world history, i.e., that until now it has not properly had any history. thus the rigidity of the setup - herbs and ore and powers and a scrupulously observed ritual combat as a device for rationalizing a hereditary succession of power, which they act like has been totally reliable forever. the separate existence of m'baku and the jabari hints at the possibility of an internal history (just like m'baku's scorn for shuri as technologist suggests that she represents a break with the past), but he accepts the strictures of their rituals all the same once he yields to t'challa. at that point in the movie they're talking 'tradition' in a way that makes it seem like they can hardly imagine its opposite enough to reject it.

in order to have an appropriately mythical (i.e. archetypal in the usual superhero comic-scale way) action in at the heart of the origin story they do use the story of killmonger's father's death to relate killmonger and t'challa to each other on a dramatic level, to introduce a big lie, etc., but it seems like all that does in the movie as it plays is to situate its heart outside the focal point of the storytelling, to make the germ of wakanda's entry into history an outsider whom the movie is not really in a position to show the wakandans as understanding.

that matters for the movie's supposed 'politics' because if it as a whole establishes any kind of mythical structure of its own (inclusive of the entry into history) it has to be something like what t'challa's speech at the end suggests, of a free and independent nation choosing to enter into history (out of a kind of pre-history) on its own terms, from a position of relatively uncontestable superiority (he says they want to share their knowledge; do they imagine that anyone else in the world could teach them anything?). killmonger tells the wakandans he wants to liberate others who look like them, but it seems like his dying lines underline, accurately, the difference between the reality of race outside wakanda and its virtual un-reality inside. the return to oakland in the last bits is meant to show that gap being bridged, but there's something about the dynamics of the overall narrative that make it feel like the ending they'd like was never earned.

production design had lots of cool stuff going on in it but the cgi was way too arid and fakey. m'baku had about the only real lol, feeding agent white to his children (i think because they decided they had to make nearly the whole cast aristocratic types who never lower themselves by laughing - shuri gets a few in but not enough - not all that abnormally for superhero comic depictions of social life at the more rarefied levels of 'powers', but still, the other dialogue was way too flat to be able stay vital without some more irreverence).

j., Wednesday, 19 December 2018 08:48 (two months ago) Permalink

relationships to parents is actually pretty low in Marvel (far more a thing for DC): only Guardians of the Galaxy and to an extent Thor have it in their origin stories.

source of power / iconic abilities are obviously necessary parts - we need to know that Tony Stark will die if the reactor in his heart is off for too long, and that he can't summon a magic hammer (okay okay, technology is frequently treated as magic)

Point taken though that 2/3 of this happens in another film entirely.

I'm not quite sure what to make of the idea that Wakanda has no internal history - it runs from the very first scene, including the history of Klaw.

(also please stop saying mythical / archetypal - Joseph Campbell is happily rotting in his grave)

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 12:30 (two months ago) Permalink

(i don't mean it in that sense, but it's not as if talking about that dimension of a narrative is something he invented or that died with him. it's about making sense of the core metaphors tied up in the fact, in-movie, that the characters are more(-powerful)-than-human - which most of these do with some kind of logic of transformation and control. i don't see how you don't have to do it sooner or later with superhero universe movies, just to identify the core interest. otherwise they're all just a lot of spectacular junk.)

j., Wednesday, 19 December 2018 15:47 (two months ago) Permalink

otherwise they're all just a lot of spectacular junk

https://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Bloom-County-Complete-Library-Vol.-6-278.png

sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 16:11 (two months ago) Permalink

i'm surprised people are talking about this as a best picture contender,

important to bear in mind that film quality is totally irrelevant to a best picture nomination/award, which is more about the industry collectively and publicly affirming the values it likes to think it holds

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 18:36 (two months ago) Permalink

personally while I'm glad this movie got made and was popular, I fell asleep and couldn't finish it

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 18:36 (two months ago) Permalink


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