Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

Circuit Court ruled against Trump/attorney, attorney compelled to testify against Trump:

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3913007-appeals-court-backs-doj-forcing-trump-attorney-to-aid-documents-probe/

Can we plz have no more "major bombshell coming soon" stuff?

I will believe that something is happening when it happens. We've had, like, eight years of these "major thing ABOUT TO HAPPEN" telegraphs and the only things that ever happen are mostly shit.

Otherwise it's just an eternal krakenboner

Not relitigating the "doom" posting from yesterday, just to say that part of the problem with following this stuff is that it gets exhausting wading through every single "bombshell!", "huge news" tweet from 4,650 armchair lawyers with a blue checkmark every day. I think the fatigue of seeing these type of proclamations, dozens of times a day in some cases, has turned people pretty cynical about even the most legit newsworthy breaks.

(caught in the xpost with YMP)

Uhh...

Literally the article I just posted is the confirmation of the bombshell that was posted two posts above it.

Not sure if you were responding to me or YMP, but it's not that specific bombshell, but that we've been told about 15-20 alleged bombshells since last Friday, which makes it hard to acknowledge what might be legit new developments worth watching.

It was to Tracer

Like the original tweet posted was from last night saying "omg the District Court ordered Trump's lawyer to testify by midnight, something must have prompted them to act fast", I then posted a tweet showing that it likely meant Corcoran had tapes and transcriptions that he had to hand over, and the news just confirmed that is exactly what happened. The district court used the words "criminal scheme" to describe what Trump did and ordered him to testify against Trump and turn over all of those recordings. they believe Trump committed a crime and his attorney knowingly aided him

This isn't speculation. It happened.

Like it blows my mind that...

Tuesday: "Major bombshell coming"
Wednesday: "Confirmed, thing happened exactly as described, very serious"

Is being put in the same league as

2016: "Major info dump coming out on Friday"

Back the fuck out of this thread, I'm in a mood already

*backing

hah good thing you clarified

idk I get how exhausting this all is but it's not like there weren't bombshells every week or two during his presidency, it's just Trump is immune to all that shit

I rather prefer hopeful speculation about possible consequences of his actions to the constant stream of "nothing will come of this" and trump death fantasies itt.

Trump can still appeal the DC Circuit ruling to the SCOTUS. Knowing him, he will try. Whatever evidence of a "criminal scheme" the original judge saw before her ruling, it was developed independently of the materials and testimony being demanded by the court order. One suspects that independent evidence is fairly strong to warrant these rulings.

This special counsel knows his shit and Garland is not impeding him.

I am not necessarily saying "nothing will come of this."

Just, I'll celebrate when there are some actual consequences for this mofo. We've been hearing about potential legal peril for years. I'm not uncorking the champagne until something real happens.

may I mix a Negroni?

You may and you should.

years ago there weren't multiple active cases in criminal court against him, there was a Special Investigation that many of us (me included) put too much faith in, and impeachment proceedings that we knew wouldn't progress to conviction in the Senate, and a whole bunch of unsourced rumors.

this is tangible information about the proceedings of an actual criminal case where his own lawyer has been ordered to testify against him - something about 5 million degrees more severity than he faced while in office or since, up until this point. you may not find that important or interesting, many of us do.

as Aimless points out, he can and probably will appeal to SCOTUS, but this SCOTUS has proven they care more about issues than protecting specific individuals who aren't even in office any more, esp given their lack of desire to even hear his lawsuits regarding 'election fraud', and their refusal to overturn a lower court and block the release of his tax returns. they could rule the court overstepped. they might not. but what happened is quite literally a big deal.

(and when I say 'care more about issues', let me be VERY CLEAR that I mean "care more about advancing the extremely racist, misogynist, and deadly issues that the extreme right-wing death cult keeps sending through the court system" and not actually doing their actual jobs)

I’m waiting for confirmation from Lou mensch before I start celebrating

it's not real until JoJofromJerz sez so

Dud

That's the direction I'm leaning in right now.

NEW: The Manhattan grand jury will not hear the Trump "hush-money" case for the rest of this week, source tells @Italiano_Laura https://t.co/r1jfbjSLL3

— Oma Seddiq (@omaseddiq) March 23, 2023

Lucy, football

Some assembly required

I dunno, this seems to be trolling Trump as much as trolling us. Keep him guessing!

Spring break!

I'm not a lawyer and likely don't know enough about the grand jury process, or maybe it's just reporters using confusing terminology, but if they haven't finished hearing the case how can anyone know for certain the indictment is imminent? I understand that the significant majority of cases before grand jury result in indictments, but the order of things here seems confusing.

b/c the media fell into Trump's trap again

dude is gonna die in his sleep at Mar a Lago at age 90, I've accepted it

xpost - that was almost the second part of my post before i deleted it "is it because the media falls for his bullshit every. fucking. time."

b/c the media fell into Trump's trap again

― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, March 23, 2023 10:22 AM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's unbelievable that this happened again

the D.A. should have issued a statement after trump's tweet about getting arrested on tuesday saying that the grand jury hadn't finished deliberating and any indictments that follow the deliberations will be revealed at that time.

now it looks like they are backtracking due to political pressure.

however, it's not all on the DA office. the times and other news outlets were citing inside sources saying his indictment was "imminent."

When the streams cross!

UPDATE: Joe Biggs’ attorney Norm Pattis just asked Corcoran if he’d accept service of a subpoena to Trump for testimony in the Proud Boys trial. Corcoran told him he “wasn’t authorized” to accept it, Pattis says.

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) March 23, 2023

Busy day over there

MORE: Four Trump attorneys and Pence attorney Emmet FLOOD just walked into Chief Judge Boasberg’s courtroom to argue over Pence grand jury subpoena. AUSA Thomas Windom just entered as well for the government.

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) March 23, 2023

Oh yeah and if you were wondering:

New: Bragg’s response to House GOP pic.twitter.com/79jsNwEUz1

— Jordain Carney (@jordainc) March 23, 2023

BRAGG bottom line: There’s no legitimate legislative reason to probe his ongoing investigation. The claim that it’s purely political is “unfounded” and can only be legitimately alleged during NY court proceedings. pic.twitter.com/XjSSavyvhP

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) March 23, 2023

lol at "defendant created the false impression that he would be arrested the next day"

it's amazing how much confusion trump is STILL able to cause

And yet people keep calling us skeptics out for being.... skeptical.

skepticism that there will be no legal consequences I understand, saying "this all just makes him stronger" is ludicrous

at some level i think people want him back. they want to see him in handcuffs, they want to see his goons riot and then get arrested, etc. it's like a sequel to a hit movie.

xp - yeah I'm def not onboard "this will make him stronger" train, but the former absolutely. the most likely worst (best?) case outcome in any of the ongoing cases is that he'll end up with a minimal, "symbolic", slap on the wrist fine that he supporters will happily pony up for and he'll continue to sow chaos to uncritical media dipshits for another decade from his gold-plated compound.

the thing that's causing my brain to go crack-ping right now is that Michael Cohen ALREADY served time for trying to cover this up, which is almost certainly a much harsher punishment than what the man who ordered him to do it will get, and now Trump is using Cohen's "criminal history" as evidence that he's not a reliable witness, it's making me feel like Frank Grimes right now

I think the legal system is simply not designed for, and perhaps has never faced, a chaos agent as overwhelming as Trump.

maybe his whole game is just to make all go insane.

i think he relishes the contradictions and the stunned look on people's faces as they are plowed down by the firehose of bullshit

yea to make another Simpsons reference this is the Mr. Burns thing where he has so many health problems that none of them can get through the door to actually kill him, it sure seems like a big problem with these investigations is the fact that there are so many happening at once and he committed so many crimes that we're still discovering new ones

It seems like it shouldn’t matter though. People can be tried for several independent crimes.