BABY DRIVER (2017) aka, the Edgar Wright/Ansel Elgort/Kevin Spacey/Jamie Foxx pop-song-and-car-chase Walter Hill homage(?)

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I haven't seen this yet, and I'm not sure I have forgiven Wright for the vile Scott Pilgrim yet, but this did solid B.O. over the weekend, which is downright amazing for a non-franchise summer release. Reviews have been glowing. Thoughts?

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Monday, 3 July 2017 17:36 (six months ago) Permalink

it's fine.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 3 July 2017 17:38 (six months ago) Permalink

in more words: great supporting cast (esp Foxx and Hamm), the pathos and romance didn't really land for me (really doesn't help that Lily Collins is more of a MPDG than anyone in Scott Pilgrim was) but it's fun and clever. an extra 15-20 minutes (aka Hot Fuzz length) or jettisoning the romance could have done it a world of good.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 3 July 2017 17:43 (six months ago) Permalink

Intrigued by this new tinnitus cure, "listen to everything incredibly loudly forever", don't know why I haven't tried that

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 3 July 2017 17:50 (six months ago) Permalink

hahaha

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 3 July 2017 17:52 (six months ago) Permalink

I'm glad you started this -- I was about to...

Tremendous fun. I'm in love with Ansel Elgort and his sunglasses and skinny jeans. First-rate editing and casting (Spacey's best work in many years, close to Hamm and Fox's best0.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:10 (six months ago) Permalink

My idea of a smart summer blockbuster, I guess.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:10 (six months ago) Permalink

Elgort dancing to "Harlem Shuffle" while getting coffee >>>>>>> all of Drive

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:11 (six months ago) Permalink

It was great fun but I think the handful of five-star reviews I skimmed beforehand led me to expect more. Not sure there's a huge amount of depth to it, but I'd have to watch again to be sure.

chap, Monday, 3 July 2017 18:14 (six months ago) Permalink

i liked the romance, it felt very sweet and genuine. I'd be much more inclined to cut the scene in the diner digging into Foxx and Hamm's backstories, neither of those characters was interesting even though Hamm was fun to watch.

the opening scene and really the first half-hour or so are so dazzling, I wish that kind of goofy spirit could have been maintained throughout, the film turns more and more generic the longer it plays.

evol j, Monday, 3 July 2017 18:14 (six months ago) Permalink

let me be the first to say that

SPOIIIIILLLLLLEEEERRRR

Spacey's third-act turn didn't work for me, and was the sort of thing I'd like to have seen a little groundwork laid down for (I don't think the scene with the nephew suffices)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:16 (six months ago) Permalink

i enjoyed this. opening car chase was one of the best I've seen

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:18 (six months ago) Permalink

some of the most inept movie cops I've ever seen tho

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:18 (six months ago) Permalink

It's suggested that Spacey has a crush on Baby; he gives him a couple once-overs.

The nephew's one of the few recent plausible smart aleck movie kids. I did roll my eyes at the insistence on Baby's innocence (the nursing home scene at the end almost belted me out of the theater).

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:19 (six months ago) Permalink

more like Edgar Wrong

more polls about food and reactionary art (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:25 (six months ago) Permalink

I liked the way Foxx (or was it Hamm?) undercuts Baby's supposed innocence by pointing out that he didn't say word one about them endangering civilians until Debora showed up

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:28 (six months ago) Permalink

I'm a little surprised folks seem to be mostly OK with Debora being such a thin character who mostly just waits around for Baby to show up

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:29 (six months ago) Permalink

She bored me. I liked how she apparently doesn't own a cell phone.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:30 (six months ago) Permalink

I'm in love with Ansel Elgort and his sunglasses and skinny jeans.

My husband is too, which is why I am anticipating a rare (for us) trip to the cinema for this one.

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:31 (six months ago) Permalink

yeah she was a cipher pretty much

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:32 (six months ago) Permalink

the opening scene and really the first half-hour or so are so dazzling, I wish that kind of goofy spirit could have been maintained throughout, the film turns more and more generic the longer it plays.

this is an endemic problem with scriptwriting. it's much easier to be creative in your setup than in your resolution. life would be more rewarding for writers if audiences didn't demand resolutions in the third act, but were satisfied with a full exposition of unresolved complications.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:32 (six months ago) Permalink

I have long accepted that I am always going to love the set-up of a pop entertainment movie more than the resolution. It is why I was able to enjoy the goofy final-act revelation in Get Out, to pick the most recent example.

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:35 (six months ago) Permalink

yeah she was a cipher pretty much

tbh romance has never been Wright's strong suit. he's much better at dealing with friendships.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:36 (six months ago) Permalink

The scene with Hamm in the diner in the last third was excellent.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:36 (six months ago) Permalink

I like Edgar Wright a lot, but there is nothing about this that looks remotely appealing to me. It seems like a parody of some post Tarantino 90's movie, except by most accounts it's not a comedy?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 July 2017 18:37 (six months ago) Permalink

It's hilarious in spots. I don't often laugh watching movies.

Also, Wright is way more fun than Refn and Tarantino.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:38 (six months ago) Permalink

"Romance has never been Wright's strong suit" is the most charitable way to possibly account for the toxicity of Scott Pilgrim (though I'm assuming the source material is largely to blame as well), but that's another movie and another discussion.

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:38 (six months ago) Permalink

Like, is it really another one last job ensemble heist movie?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 July 2017 18:39 (six months ago) Permalink

The movie's at the service of the soundtrack, I might argue, but Wright's such a shrewd editor that Elgort moves with way more grace than Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone ever did in LLL.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:39 (six months ago) Permalink

"Romance has never been Wright's strong suit" is the most charitable way to possibly account for the toxicity of Scott Pilgrim

yes Scott Pilgrim has its own thread, but I would add that SP (which I recently rewatched) contains about 10,000 references to its main character being an asshole which really helps

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:41 (six months ago) Permalink

I kept thinking this must have been an exacting nightmare to edit but I'm sure Wright was slick enough to make it as easy as possible

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:42 (six months ago) Permalink

I think the main reason the movie disappointed me (even though I really enjoyed it for the most part) is the trailer made me think more of the film would be Baby and his love interest escaping his former life rather than it being tacked on at the very end.

some other details too bothered me, like why the corrupt cop gunrunners wouldn't first disarm the people they were planning to sell to.

this movie is v much not grounded in reality but v much a universe that exists only in crime movies (and it's a good thing in this case cos grounding woulda sunk this one fast).

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:44 (six months ago) Permalink

it's a good thing in this case cos grounding woulda sunk this one fast).

and yet Baby likes the Jon Spencer Blues Explosion.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:46 (six months ago) Permalink

funny to see Sky Ferriera play Baby's mom, I can't recall if she had any dialogue but I guess for whatever reason it was important to Wright that the woman singing on the MOM tape was the same one actually playing the character.

evol j, Monday, 3 July 2017 18:47 (six months ago) Permalink

One of the things I really like about Wright's movies and screenplays is how they tend to be strongly anchored by an actual moral, without ever feeling overdetermined or po-faced about it (being really funny helps). This keeps him in sharp contrast to his snarky/nihilistic, heavily postmodern peers. You could argue that "passivity is tantamount to complicity" is the moral to BD but the love story gets in the way of that and undercuts that strength a bit. (I should stress again that I liked this, it's just my least fave of his features.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:50 (six months ago) Permalink

an awful lot of fatal car accidents happen in movies while people are driving and arguing simultaneously

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:51 (six months ago) Permalink

also did I miss it, but why did Spacey talk about how he never uses the same crew twice other than Baby and then he re-uses Hamm and Gonzalez again 30 minutes later?

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:56 (six months ago) Permalink

or did he just mean "exact configuration" i.e. Batts was subbed in for Griff so that = "new crew" even tho it was only 25% diff

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:56 (six months ago) Permalink

also did I miss it, but why did Spacey talk about how he never uses the same crew twice other than Baby and then he re-uses Hamm and Gonzalez again 30 minutes later?

― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal)

would you ever work with Flea again?

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:57 (six months ago) Permalink

or did he just mean "exact configuration" i.e. Batts was subbed in for Griff so that = "new crew" even tho it was only 25% diff

this is how I took it.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 3 July 2017 19:01 (six months ago) Permalink

First half great

Second half shit

Scott Pilgrim is a perfect, incredible movie.

quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Monday, 3 July 2017 19:02 (six months ago) Permalink

I really wish the MIchael Myers mask thing hadn't been in the trailer cos it woulda been a lot funnier just showing up cold mid-movie

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 July 2017 19:03 (six months ago) Permalink

I feel like blind foster dad shoulda been like "dude I am already not ok with u robbin shit but at least if yr gonna do i can I like benefit from it and live somewhere decent"

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 July 2017 19:05 (six months ago) Permalink

Every character in this is a cipher fyi

quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Monday, 3 July 2017 19:06 (six months ago) Permalink

I kind of expected that going in tho

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 July 2017 19:08 (six months ago) Permalink

this wasn't too horribly different from Driver other than I feel like this was a better movie and Gosling's character liked to use stealth rather than do doughnuts on the highway

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 July 2017 19:09 (six months ago) Permalink

It was transporter more than driver but it isn't as subtle or as adult in its themes or relationships as transporter

quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Monday, 3 July 2017 19:10 (six months ago) Permalink

Wished the movie kept up the energy of the first half hour but whatcanyado. It was still a fun watch

Vinnie, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 03:42 (six months ago) Permalink

Is it named after the Simon & Garfunkel song?

Guidonian Handsworth Revolution (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 03:47 (six months ago) Permalink

They must really teach those "Fame" dance moves to all the kids at LaGuardia High School!

Dan I., Friday, 15 September 2017 02:56 (four months ago) Permalink


On a separate note, Kevin Spacey is, and always has been, a very poor actor. In many ways as bad as John Malkovich.

― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 4 September 2017 22:20 (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wow, are you... me?

Kat Slater Slag meme. (jed_), Friday, 15 September 2017 03:32 (four months ago) Permalink

Are you both William Shatner?

Mark G, Friday, 15 September 2017 05:49 (four months ago) Permalink

XP can't help it if we're both so right

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Friday, 15 September 2017 13:23 (four months ago) Permalink

I do kind of feel about this movie the way I did about Brick (not that the movies themselves are at all similar)--like maybe there are actually genuinely good things about it that speak only to discerning young folks, and I'm too old to really get it.

There's a kind of unselfconscious openness among younger millenials that makes me want to roll my eyes, but at the same time I support it and think it's positive and great!

Dan I., Friday, 15 September 2017 15:00 (four months ago) Permalink

Brick was good

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:14 (four months ago) Permalink

But not necessarily for young-person reasons - it's an old genre movie in (very thin) disguise.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 15 September 2017 15:31 (four months ago) Permalink

I dunno, there may be something in that young person theory. I really liked Brick and saw it multiple times in college, but I watched it again a couple of months ago and thought this time it was actually kind of terrible?

Only JGL and the kid who played Brain were good in it - the rest of it came off really awkward and hokey in a way it didn't when I was younger.

I enjoyed Baby Driver but only because I went in with low expectations. The story is super thin, but mostly here for impeccably soundtracked car chases and Ansel Elgort's cheekbones.

Roz, Friday, 15 September 2017 15:33 (four months ago) Permalink

Xps yes! I hated brick and didn't understand why everyone loved it so much

just1n3, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:05 (four months ago) Permalink

you are not alone just1n3!

Οὖτις, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:06 (four months ago) Permalink

come anticipate 'Brick' with me!

Οὖτις, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:07 (four months ago) Permalink

I do kind of feel about this movie the way I did about Brick (not that the movies themselves are at all similar)--like maybe there are actually genuinely good things about it that speak only to discerning young folks, and I'm too old to really get it.

There's a kind of unselfconscious openness among younger millenials that makes me want to roll my eyes, but at the same time I support it and think it's positive and great!

― Dan I., Friday, September 15, 2017 8:00 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

these movies were both written and directed by gen x dudes. i don't know that they are necessarily for the young.

i quite liked brick because i like jgl but the acting isn't great and the concept wears a little thin

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:08 (four months ago) Permalink

I disliked Brick and enjoyed Baby Driver.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:11 (four months ago) Permalink

They're completely different movies, I didn't mean to directly compare them. I just meant that they both give me the same feeling that I get when I reflect on the popularity of, I don't know, Twitch streams, for example: "I don't understand the appeal of this at all, but I think I would if I were younger"

Dan I., Friday, 15 September 2017 16:17 (four months ago) Permalink

The presence of Paul Williams, not to mention the musical selections, was evidence enough that there was definitely An Old at the helm, though.

Dan I., Friday, 15 September 2017 16:18 (four months ago) Permalink

Is Wright that old?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:28 (four months ago) Permalink

This is my favorite movie of the year. Lot of fun, great mix of genres and homages, amazing soundtrack. Surprised the common wisdom here is so negative. Ah well, your loss!

Nhex, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:35 (four months ago) Permalink

Given that he opens the movie with the jon spencer blues explosion, I'd be shocked if he were either younger than 38 or older than 45

intheblanks, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:45 (four months ago) Permalink

'Baby driver is way better than Brick lol wtf' -a youngish millenial

i know it's not good to read an ilx thread for a popular movie you liked but impeccably soundtracked car chases and Ansel Elgort's cheekbones <- seriously, what more do you want out of a movie?

Alfred always otm itt

flopson, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:53 (four months ago) Permalink

Brick is very fun and was made for like literally 1/100 the budget of BD, leave it alone

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:57 (four months ago) Permalink

yeah but no Ansel cheekbones

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 September 2017 17:31 (four months ago) Permalink

This was awful. What are people smoking?

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 15 September 2017 20:53 (four months ago) Permalink

'bones

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Friday, 15 September 2017 21:54 (four months ago) Permalink

Brick is very fun and was made for like literally 1/100 the budget of BD, leave it alone

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, September 15, 2017 12:57 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

did you pay for it?

flopson, Friday, 15 September 2017 22:45 (four months ago) Permalink

Ansel's cheekbones are worth, what, $4000 each?

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 September 2017 22:58 (four months ago) Permalink

Diner/Barry White sequence was an A+ set piece. Only sorry it didn't go on twice as long

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Saturday, 16 September 2017 13:35 (four months ago) Permalink

evidence enough that there was definitely An Old at the helm

who remembers when actual music was popular, eh

I look fwd to a library DVD of this (and Get Out) with zero expectations.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 September 2017 13:39 (four months ago) Permalink

a good way to approach life

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 September 2017 14:06 (four months ago) Permalink

lol you can see me being all over Brick in that other thread.

Anyway, has this been posted yet? Where Wright got the inspiration for the film, with Noel Fielding as not-quite-a-Baby Driver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfrcZsKcVxU

Roz, Saturday, 16 September 2017 15:44 (four months ago) Permalink

Is Wright that old?

He's 43, a hair older than me. Happens to the best of us.

(Simon Pegg is hovering just under 50)

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 16 September 2017 15:52 (four months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

the shot of the clothes all dancing/spinning in unsion in the launderette/laundromat was gorge. i'm amazed i'd never seen that done before.

piscesx, Saturday, 7 October 2017 00:56 (three months ago) Permalink

shame on you if you defended this crap

Number None, Saturday, 7 October 2017 01:15 (three months ago) Permalink

Would literally rather watch 90 mins of Noel Fielding rocking out in a car.

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Monday, 9 October 2017 15:10 (three months ago) Permalink

this was simply ok. opening sequence is great, a few other great things, a bunch of dumb things, it's a wash in the end. a fine way to waste an hour and a half at home though.

akm, Monday, 16 October 2017 12:36 (three months ago) Permalink

Held my interest for its two hours, but it's becoming crushingly apparent that I just don't like Edgar Wright as a filmmaker. This is infinitely more watchable than the appalling Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (which ties with The Guest as the angriest that I have been with a film all decade), but his shallow version of cool continues to grate on my nerves. I did laugh at the Mike/Michael Myers bit and, because I'm a horrible person, Foxx's "Tequila" gag.

Contrary to many of the comments upthread, I guess, I thought Lily James, who is new to me, was enchanting, while all of the other performances ranged from mediocre to terrible (keeping in mind, of course, that they are performing an Edgar Wright script). And with apologies to both Alfred (and my husband), Ansel Elgort is nowhere near as swoony, for me, as Ryan Gosling in Drive.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 19:58 (two months ago) Permalink

It's Jon Hamm's best screen perf to date.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 20:25 (two months ago) Permalink

it was certainly Hammy

Number None, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 20:30 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm basically repeating myself, but I thought the writing and direction pushed him towards absurdity, notably in the final act.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 20:44 (two months ago) Permalink

Lily James is probably why I ended up seeing this.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 20:48 (two months ago) Permalink

Boy Baby Driver has some pretty creepy subtext now.

— Drac Budryk 🦇 (@PraxisKenzie) October 30, 2017

Ned Raggett, Monday, 30 October 2017 16:54 (two months ago) Permalink

Hardly subtext tbh. Spacey's character clearly had a thing for Baby.

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Monday, 30 October 2017 17:01 (two months ago) Permalink

it would've been weird if he hadn't

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 October 2017 17:05 (two months ago) Permalink

i was horny for baby the entire movie

great film btw

J0rdan S., Monday, 30 October 2017 18:26 (two months ago) Permalink

Eric h otm, although it was wasted like every other setup

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:27 (two months ago) Permalink

nah it didn't need to get stressed or require more than the parking garage scene

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:28 (two months ago) Permalink

(which already stretched plausibility)

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:28 (two months ago) Permalink

It is thematically consistent with the hints of an abusive childhood that we get throughout the film, though I don't think that the film, as written, can really bear the weight of any of this.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:53 (two months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I was prepared to dislike this immensely based on some of the comments here but it was a blast. Ansel Elgort didn't grow on me until the second act, and it ended too many times, but it reminded me why I really like Edgar Wright even when he's working with what I would normally consider very shallow material. I can't believe I didn't recognize Rose from Downton Abbey.

My greatest complaint, besides the rather milquetoast goodness of our murder-abetting car thief hero, is that most of the songs they picked aren't deep enough cuts to be associated specifically with anything in the movie - if you played the soundtrack and gave me a multiple-choice test on what was happening during song X, I have very low confidence I'd do better than a die roll, as opposed to Tarantino or James Gunn where I now have intense associations between certain scenes and tracks, for better and worse.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 04:47 (one week ago) Permalink


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